• Watch Out for Scammers!

    We've now added a color code for all accounts. Orange accounts are new members, Blue are full members, and Green are Supporters. If you get a message about a sale from an orange account, make sure you pay attention before sending any money!

The other side of the broken windows theory

PatMiles

Private
Full Member
Minuteman
Feb 25, 2017
1,551
4,132

By Bob Weir

When Rudy Giuliani became Mayor of NYC three decades ago, he and his police commissioner, William Bratton, applied the criminological theory known as “broken windows.” It states that the signs of disorder in a neighborhood, like broken windows, encourage petty crimes and lead to more serious crimes. In other words, when minor crimes are tolerated, criminals will soon be emboldened to commit serious crimes.

Some argue that Giuliani went too far by supporting cops, who felt they could do their job of fighting crime without being penalized every time they made a move. However, no one can change the fact that crime took a nosedive during their tenure. Sadly, but as expected, Giuliani’s administration was criticized as racist because more blacks were arrested than whites. The fact that most crimes were committed by blacks didn’t have any traction with left-wing orthodoxy.
Looking back at that era, it’s almost inconceivable to imagine how we became a lawless society in only a generation. During that short span of time, broken windows has morphed from kids throwing rocks to mobs of thugs ransacking stores and carrying out huge amounts of merchandise with no fear of confrontation or arrest. Hence, extrapolating on the broken windows theory, if we’ve come to a time in which felonies are tolerated, one can only imagine how much more emboldened criminals will become in the near future. It’s already unsafe to walk the streets in most urban areas. How long before we experience similar fears in the rural and suburban areas? We either get tough on crime in the cities or prepare for an invasion of violent gangs in our once safe and cozy retreats in those areas only a few miles away.
Moreover, with millions of illegals swarming across the border during the last three years, we can expect huge increases in crime as people, mostly young men from countries all over the world, infiltrate towns and cities throughout the nation. We have yet to experience the full impact of what the Biden administration has subjected us to. No country can deal with open borders for very long without ultimately succumbing to the onslaught of humanity flooding the landscape like a tidal wave. As this ocean of aliens saturates the terrain, demanding rights, how many Americans will have the courage to fight back against an invasion that has been sanctioned by the president and his left-wing horde of nihilists?

Texas, for example, has been in the crosshairs of the left for decades. The Lone Star State is viewed by America-haters as a target that must be destroyed in order to set an example to other states with the audacity to pursue a patriotic agenda. What better way to accomplish their goal than to use the 1,241-mile border with Mexico as the murder weapon? The Texas border with Mexico is about twice as long as the borders of the other three states (California, Arizona, and New Mexico) combined. Although struggling mightily against the human cavalcade, Texas has been repeatedly thwarted by an administration that has declared war on the largest red state.


Meanwhile, Biden begins his campaign for re-election by regurgitating the events of January 6, 2021, and calling Donald Trump, and “MAGA Republicans,” a threat to democracy. During a saner time in our history, a president wanting a second term would be outlining all the accomplishments of his time in office, not trashing those who voted against him last time. Of course, anyone with a pulse knows that Biden has nothing to brag about. He’s not going to say that when Trump was in office, we were not involved in a war in Europe, another one in the Middle East, and a third one on the horizon as China moves toward an invasion of Taiwan. Furthermore, he’s not likely to mention that consumer prices have risen about 25% since he took office, or that we no longer have a southern border. I haven’t even mentioned the rampant corruption of the Biden crime family.
How insane, or arrogant, is it for a president to even contemplate re-election under those circumstances? It seems to me that the struggle between good and evil is on the ballot in November. My greatest fear is that evil has become so embedded in the fabric of our government that we the people no longer have a voice in anything they want to do to us. Crime is a major example because it directly impacts our daily life. The number-one job of government is the protection of its people. It couldn’t be more obvious that our government has failed miserably.

People will never feel safe, or be safe, until the police are allowed to do the job they were trained to do, without being subjected to every new philosophical concept conceived in the minds of those who know nothing about the job. How about ending the political platitudes and concentrating on basic police work, such as increased patrols in high-crime areas and the recognition and encouragement of good police work by the most diligent officers? Every superior officer knows, or should know, which subordinates are doing a good job in his sector of patrol. Those who are merely going in each day for a paycheck should be supervised more closely. But, in all fairness, that can happen only if cops know they won’t be facing a political firing squad each time they attempt to enforce the law.
 
I beleive it was Ed Koch who started it, Rudy really dug deep (he stll deserves lionshare of credit) and then Bloomburg went batshiat crazy with it (corrupted so everyone could cry racist).

As oft mentioned I remember when NYC was so safe, libs were bitching it had lost its character and tthat times square was now "Family Friendly"
 
I beleive it was Ed Koch who started it, Rudy really dug deep (he stll deserves lionshare of credit) and then Bloomburg went batshiat crazy with it (corrupted so everyone could cry racist).

As oft mentioned I remember when NYC was so safe, libs were bitching it had lost its character and tthat times square was now "Family Friendly"

And that was, what, less than 10’years ago?

Give the libtards credit… noon can destroy a civilization faster than educated caring liberal socialists!

Sirhr
 
I beleive it was Ed Koch who started it, Rudy really dug deep (he stll deserves lionshare of credit) and then Bloomburg went batshiat crazy with it (corrupted so everyone could cry racist).

As oft mentioned I remember when NYC was so safe, libs were bitching it had lost its character and tthat times square was now "Family Friendly"
Cause all 3 understood large cities especially financial mega centers like NYC are run and beholden to the rich/Wall Street.

You can kiss ass and get liberal working class votes and policy all you want…what really matters is wall street making money and spending money in manhattan.

For every banker making 1mm a year it’s 450k in taxes collected and 300k spent in the city. Add a money multiplier of 3-5 and that guy creates 1-2mm in commerce/economy in the city not including the initial tax respend by the govt.

If it’s not safe or fun that money moves to Florida and has to be replaced…and by who?

How many 50k a year workers are needed to recoup that amount of economic spending power. Upwards of 80-90 when you really do the math.

And once that money leaves it’s not coming back willingly. It has to be enticed back.

High earners will pay high taxes but high earners paying high taxes will not spend or stay with high crime.

a friend working for Bank of America has a standing table at a well know steak place and his lunch “drawer” was 15k a week.

He and his clients spent 3k a day just on lunch for almost 2 decades. Which was covered by the business he created…no one lost money.

Once crime began to get heavy, he stopped going out because clients didn’t want to come to the city if not needed.

It is literally impossible for manhattan to recoup that money and the money the people who made that money (restaurant, waiter, Uber, deli next door selling a coffee on the way out, tailor for a new suit because your going out all the time etc) are not seeing anymore.

And that’s just one guy of thousands who isn’t even a big dog that aren’t spending that type of money.

then add in the casual person from outer NYC area (like me) who will not bring the family in to see the Christmas show or museums (like I had for 10-15 years straight) because I have to worry. That’s another 2,000$ day they haven’t see in years.

Until the streets are safe these large cities will keep seeing economic drain.

the old guard knew it.
 
This probably isn't the Bob Weir I'm thinking of, but I'd be happy if it is. I know his bandmate Mickey Hart is a good friend of the Obamas.

Giuliani's blueprint for successfully reducing crime is simple; it is beyond comprehension that no one has the balls to implement it again there or elsewhere. I grew up just outside of NYC and left the area in 1989. When I returned for a visit in 1998, the transformation was mind-blowing. Anyone with half a brain knows this did not happen organically by itself.
 
All true but there's a 2nd and equally important component of taking bad guys off the street. They have to be prosecuted and convicted. You can arrest as many as you want but now the activist prosecutors and judges just turn them back out.

Crime here has been out of control for this very reason. Even the MSM has started pointing it out. But clearly the goal is to make it much worse because new as of this year, police can't even arrest people on most warrants. The system is literally inventing new ways to protect criminals and create more crime and unsafe communities.

So yes, we need to support police and let them catch criminals but that is pointless if they don't get prosecuted then convicted.
 
Don't remember who or when but I remember someone saying about the urban crime problem: "When the powers that be want it to stop it will stop". I believe that.

Thank you,
MrSmith
 

By Bob Weir
Snip….
People will never feel safe, or be safe, until the police are allowed to do the job they were trained to do, without being subjected to every new philosophical concept conceived in the minds of those who know nothing about the job. Snip….
People will never feel safe or be safe until the police back the fuck off and let the men protect there own without being subjected to violence from the gov’ts gang members in blue.

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, the defund the police movement of the democrats and the back the blue movement of the republicans is nothing more than a coordinated effort to fool the stupid into accepting an even stricter police state than what we already have. Don’t fall for propaganda pieces such as what was posted in this thread. Police serve and protect gov’t, not you. This will never change. Only a fool would cheer for more gov’t men with guns pointed at them.
 
People will never feel safe or be safe until the police back the fuck off and let the men protect there own without being subjected to violence from the gov’ts gang members in blue.

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, the defund the police movement of the democrats and the back the blue movement of the republicans is nothing more than a coordinated effort to fool the stupid into accepting an even stricter police state than what we already have. Don’t fall for propaganda pieces such as what was posted in this thread. Police serve and protect gov’t, not you. This will never change. Only a fool would cheer for more gov’t men with guns pointed at them.
When you move out of the sticks and go to density populated areas you might be more open minded…right or wrong
 
When you move out of the sticks and go to density populated areas you might be more open minded…right or wrong
I would never do such a stupid thing.

Your NYC badged statists terrorized the city in 2020 and you want more of it? I’ve been harassed, threatened, kidnapped, and robbed before….all by police officers with the power and immunity granted to them by the criminal organization they empower and represent. I know the largest threat I face and it isn’t the common street criminal.
 
Last edited:
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, the defund the police movement of the democrats and the back the blue movement of the republicans is nothing more than a coordinated effort to fool the stupid into accepting an even stricter police state than what we already have.

Bingo. Rudy took his tough-on-crime act into the GWOT era and ended up drinking buckets of the surveillance state koolaid.
 
People will never feel safe or be safe until the police back the fuck off and let the men protect there own without being subjected to violence from the gov’ts gang members in blue.

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, the defund the police movement of the democrats and the back the blue movement of the republicans is nothing more than a coordinated effort to fool the stupid into accepting an even stricter police state than what we already have. Don’t fall for propaganda pieces such as what was posted in this thread. Police serve and protect gov’t, not you. This will never change. Only a fool would cheer for more gov’t men with guns pointed at them.
8E490206-643C-46C4-9D76-8C9988E6CB20.jpeg
 
I would never do such a stupid thing.

Your NYC badged statists terrorized the city in 2020 and you want more of it? I’ve been harassed, threatened, kidnapped, and robbed before….all by police officers with the power and immunity granted to them by the criminal organization they empower and represent. I know the largest threat I face and it isn’t the common street criminal.
Civil asset forfeiture has enabled the governments to steal multiple times more wealth from citizens than all unorganized crime added up together.
 
I would never do such a stupid thing.

Your NYC badged statists terrorized the city in 2020 and you want more of it? I’ve been harassed, threatened, kidnapped, and robbed before….all by police officers with the power and immunity granted to them by the criminal organization they empower and represent. I know the largest threat I face and it isn’t the common street criminal.
I understand you may have had a bad experience but you can’t have a city of 8 million with out police. Weather they get paid too much or are hitler youth is irrelevant, the first step is the need. Then you debate the ROE.

More people use the NY subway everyday that the entire population of Chicago. The mass of people is just a different animal anyway you cut it

Edit Autocorrect ..
 
Last edited:
I understand you may have had a bad experience but you can’t have a city of 8 million with out police. Weather they get paid too much or are hitler youth is irrelevant, the first step is the need. Then you debate the ROE.

More people use the NY subway everyday that the entire population of Chicago. The mass of people is just a different animal anyway you cut it

Edit Autocorrect ..
All those cops and crime is still going up? How many more will it take?
why do I carry? Because when seconds count cops are minutes away eating donuts.
Ohh yeah I forgot. You are not allowed to carry in NYC. That's what Wade is saying. I guess you missed it.
And as stated here.
All true but there's a 2nd and equally important component of taking bad guys off the street. They have to be prosecuted and convicted. You can arrest as many as you want but now the activist prosecutors and judges just turn them back out.

Crime here has been out of control for this very reason. Even the MSM has started pointing it out. But clearly the goal is to make it much worse because new as of this year, police can't even arrest people on most warrants. The system is literally inventing new ways to protect criminals and create more crime and unsafe communities.

So yes, we need to support police and let them catch criminals but that is pointless if they don't get prosecuted then convicted.

They don't do anything to the criminals so they are emboldened. When they start getting dead by the victims and the actual victims are not procecuted things will change.
That's not going to happen though. Because government creates problems to gain more control when the people beg the government for help.
 
All those cops and crime is still going up? How many more will it take?
why do I carry? Because when seconds count cops are minutes away eating donuts.
Ohh yeah I forgot. You are not allowed to carry in NYC. That's what Wade is saying. I guess you missed it.
And as stated here.


They don't do anything to the criminals so they are emboldened. When they start getting dead by the victims and the actual victims are not procecuted things will change.
That's not going to happen though. Because government creates problems to gain more control when the people beg the government for help.
That’s the problem now

With broken windows 15 years ago the cops did what cops are supposed to do.

And we had DA’s that put you in jail

Not this BS now
 
Oligarchy parasites doing parasite things

Fuck the banksters too
With out those “bankers” our economy would be the size of Germany.

Where do you think the ability to have a credit line for your farm/business comes from.

Non of those bankers crating all the fake money…and every business is neck to cash only.

Good luck with thst

One can say if you can’t afford to pay for it with cash then you shouldn’t be allowed to buy it…then watch the world pass you by
 
  • Haha
Reactions: BurtG
Private profits public losses

Changing laws so the little people can’t GameStop them again

Etc x infinity



Fuck those people

The US would be better off if NYC disappeared 👻
 
  • Like
Reactions: Yasherka
Private profits public losses

Changing laws so the little people can’t GameStop them again

Etc x infinity



Fuck those people

The US would be better off if NYC disappeared 👻
Like it or not NYC is more important and farther reaching than anything you do or can imagine. It’s just the way it is.

It just happens to be purposely and methodically driven into the ground the last 15-20 years
 
Like it or not NYC is more important and farther reaching than anything you do or can imagine. It’s just the way it is.

It just happens to be purposely and methodically driven into the ground the last 15-20 years
There’s that big city communist thinking.

You’d all be dead without me.

I’d be better off without you
 
There’s that big city communist thinking.

You’d all be dead without me.

I’d be better off without you
it going argue because we are just on opposite sides on most discussions

But if that’s what you think, you should go retake economics 101, finance 101 and accounting 101 over again if you hadn’t taken them already.

Re-Inform yourself how banking institutions actually work, and their connections with other banking institutions especially venture capitalism and how it’s changed over the decades.

Once you get a better grasp on how it all works together …good or bad this conversation won’t become pissing match. Like most things do
 
There’s that big city communist thinking.

You’d all be dead without me.

I’d be better off without you
Forgot to add…its not me or your opinion of me or your opinion of anything

It’s reality weather your ego allows you to admit it or not

Every country imports what they do not have domestically

Money and banking / NYC /other financial centers make that possible. The English did it before us and the french before them.

If someone thinks you can’t buy “corn” somewhere else they need to open their grasp of economy.

Money will always find food (since you farm/land) and always have.

Rich people didn’t starve in the depression and dust bowl ….farmers and worker bees did

Yet the world went on …didn’t it.

Don’t take yourself too seriously it just a thread on a forum.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Long Range 338
Forgot to add…its not me or your opinion of me or your opinion of anything

It’s reality weather your ego allows you to admit it or not

Every country imports what they do not have domestically

Money and banking / NYC /other financial centers make that possible. The English did it before us and the french before them.

If someone thinks you can’t buy “corn” somewhere else they need to open their grasp of economy.

Money will always find food (since you farm/land) and always have.

Rich people didn’t starve in the depression and dust bowl ….farmers and worker bees did

Yet the world went on …didn’t it.

Don’t take yourself too seriously it just a thread on a forum.
My friend you are arguing with idiots.

Just a reminder of their position:
When New York City was cleaned up and safe (pre-COVID) that was "bad" because they used the police to stop and prevent crime. So its better that we defund the police so that its more like it is today-because the police were used incorrectly to enforce lockdowns. And the lack of control today BECAUSE of the defund movement means we need to defund them further. Perfect Circular Logic. Textbook

Liberals aren't the only ones who refuse evidence to fit their narrative.

And our specialist wade2tard is the leader of the anarchy gang who if followed through that everyone should just be left to their own devices, means every person is capable of self government. AKA man is inherently good.

That's the only way his anarchy works.

Don't waste your time on these tards, they couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel.
 
Forgot to add…its not me or your opinion of me or your opinion of anything

It’s reality weather your ego allows you to admit it or not

Every country imports what they do not have domestically

Money and banking / NYC /other financial centers make that possible. The English did it before us and the french before them.

If someone thinks you can’t buy “corn” somewhere else they need to open their grasp of economy.

Money will always find food (since you farm/land) and always have.

Rich people didn’t starve in the depression and dust bowl ….farmers and worker bees did

Yet the world went on …didn’t it.

Don’t take yourself too seriously it just a thread on a forum.
Different times. Your type has created the global entanglement/connection. Do you know that saying... How America goes so goes the world?
Where are you going to buy corn when you can't get it here? Ukraine, Russia?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Yasherka and BurtG
One can say if you can’t afford to pay for it with cash then you shouldn’t be allowed to buy it…then watch the world pass you by

idk....i am doing fine. both my sons are doing fine. everyone i know who follows the above is doing fine.....they are way happier, too. their paycheck is theirs. if there is a happier way to live, i haven't found it.

it seems to me that "watching the world pass you by" isn't so bad. being neck deep in the rat race, and unable to get out of it, seems WAY worse to me.
 
View attachment 8322664

Lemme esplain......no, is too long. Lemme summup.
At this point, anyone who thinks Biden is anything but Mack Daddy's marionette, well....you are a fucking retard.
Obama is running the show. And predict will continue to do so.
My question is who is running Obama?
The post turtle didn’t get into office on his own.
 
idk....i am doing fine. both my sons are doing fine. everyone i know who follows the above is doing fine.....they are way happier, too. their paycheck is theirs. if there is a happier way to live, i haven't found it.

it seems to me that "watching the world pass you by" isn't so bad. being neck deep in the rat race, and unable to get out of it, seems WAY worse to me.
Keeping up with the Joneses. !!!
 
it going argue because we are just on opposite sides on most discussions

But if that’s what you think, you should go retake economics 101, finance 101 and accounting 101 over again if you hadn’t taken them already.

Re-Inform yourself how banking institutions actually work, and their connections with other banking institutions especially venture capitalism and how it’s changed over the decades.

Once you get a better grasp on how it all works together …good or bad this conversation won’t become pissing match. Like most things do

Oh here you go again. Giving us financial lessons. We really wanna go there again?

Ok so here are the numbers.
If you cut off the 13 states of the southern confederacy, today, they would constitute the 3rd largest economy in the world.
Texas alone would be the 6th largest economy.

New York and California are consumers. They consume more than they produce, its a fact.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BurtG and NoDopes
Different times. Your type has created the global entanglement/connection. Do you know that saying... How America goes so goes the world?
Where are you going to buy corn when you can't get it here? Ukraine, Russia?

Exactly my point.

You guys need to understand it’s not “my type” it’s the way it is I just understand it and my place.

I didn’t create it
I don’t love it
I don’t hate it
I’m not defending it
So don’t take it personally..it’s reality

And Yes with out the US financial institutions we are just like Ukraine.

No economy and no power…buying power

Waiting for the next bully or next country with buying power to came and take what’s mine for cheap.

When Burt g is a old man and his family’s farm (I’m guessing it’s a family or in the family type arrangement) is able to be sold for 150mm

His kids or grand kids will sell it for condos in a heartbeat. Like everyone else’s kids and businesses in that occupation

Once it’s enough money , generational life changing money..the same kids will buy corn from Ukraine too.

How do you think Dubai and those places can function. Money

They can’t grow anything, they don’t have a mfg sector.

They have enough oil money and previously oil money invested in the”system” they made a country which rivals many other in certain respects.

Yet Ukraine…is hoping global price of corn stays up this year.

I’ll tell you which system I’m going to hitch my wagon to and use to its fullest extent until finances/money doesn’t matter. And by then my bones will be dust.

The sane people who curse the system use it every day, if it’s so bad stop using it and enjoying its benefits.

Sell your 401k and only take cash as payment in you job. Until then your just posting hypocritical statements.
 
idk....i am doing fine. both my sons are doing fine. everyone i know who follows the above is doing fine.....they are way happier, too. their paycheck is theirs. if there is a happier way to live, i haven't found it.

it seems to me that "watching the world pass you by" isn't so bad. being neck deep in the rat race, and unable to get out of it, seems WAY worse to me.

Hey man! Get with the program! Live a little, take some chances, go in debt!

It amazes me how many people think debt built this country.
 
Oh here you go again. Giving us financial lessons. We really wanna go there again?

Ok so here are the numbers.
If you cut off the 13 states of the southern confederacy, today, they would constitute the 3rd largest economy in the world.
Texas alone would be the 6th largest economy.

New York and California are consumers. They consume more than they produce, its a fact.
If you really want to start learning.

Remove all US govt spending from those states

That means all

Secondary spending of govt money

Military and its secondary affects on the market

Any port or point of entry will be moved or taxed.

How long do you think Texas will be a primary point of oil refineries at current profit picture once they move “out”.

The US will build one in Maine and then all the oil production money is gone too

I’ll stop writing simple common sense examples my phone annoys me

But next time you want to learn about finances I suggest you research how they really work because if you think “Texas and Florida” can function the same if the succeed..you should read some different forums online
 
  • Haha
Reactions: armorpl8chikn
Hey man! Get with the program! Live a little, take some chances, go in debt!

It amazes me how many people think debt built this country.
If you don’t think debt built this country to the economic superiority it’s had for the last 80 years, you really need to learn how businesses function and how they are financed.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: armorpl8chikn
If you really want to start learning.

Remove all US govt spending from those states

That means all

Secondary spending of govt money

Military and its secondary affects on the market

Any port or point of entry will be moved or taxed.

How long do you think Texas will be a primary point of oil refineries at current profit picture once they move “out”.

The US will build one in Maine and then all the oil production money is gone too

I’ll stop writing simple common sense examples my phone annoys me

But next time you want to learn about finances I suggest you research how they really work because if you think “Texas and Florida” can function the same if the succeed..you should read some different forums online
Your narrative only works by shutting down something that was created by the state or private industry. If it could be done better elsewhere it would already have been done.
 
  • Like
Reactions: armorpl8chikn
I don’t like NYC or it’s people. I change my mind, I’m now indifferent that their police terrorized them, destroyed lives, and blamed covid for doing so.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BurtG
Holy shit.

If they succeed they will absolutely function the same.
If they secede...well...."the union" could never let that happen. Because they MIGHT succeed and some others would damn sure starve.
Truthfully if you think Florida and Texas will function and prosper if the succeed from the US.

They’ll be selling debt to the remaining 48 minute 1 after the papers are signed. They’ll own a different country not just the US govt that doesn’t care if they ever get paid back

That’s not opinion that is a fact on how economies function. If you are not in agreement, I truthfully suggest you educate yourself a little further in that area.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: armorpl8chikn
Your narrative only works by shutting down something that was created by the state or private industry. If it could be done better elsewhere it would already have been done.
So you think the location of every large institution is in its perfect location if it was clean slate.

I suggest you read about the expansion of the US after 1900 and why certain areas were chosen at that time. You’d be surprised.

There are more than a few books on the decision making process and the errors that were made but too expensive to fix 40 years after.
 
"Secede"

See we don't even speak the same language.

If they were allowed to "secede" they would definitely succeed.
They were never allowed to "secede" because were they to "succeed" the federal conglomeration would die, along with their failed states.
No one is allowed to "secede" because the federation loves you, and compels you for your own good.
Its all a grifting scheme. Has been for a very long time now.
Pretty much everyone knows what carpetbagging is now, so...yeah. I dont need to study your economy books.
 
"Secede"

See we don't even speak the same language.

If they were allowed to "secede" they would definitely succeed.
They were never allowed to "secede" because were they to "succeed" the federal conglomeration would die, along with their failed states.
No one is allowed to "secede" because the federation loves you, and compels you for your own good.
Its all a grifting scheme. Has been for a very long time now.
Pretty much everyone knows what carpetbagging is now, so...yeah. I dont need to study your economy books.
Everyone has their option which is great

But one opinion is based on math and facts and there is yours

And again it’s not “my opinion” it’s reality.

Yours sounds great at BBQ’s with people who are irritated and disenfranchised , which is fine as well. We all have those conversations.

But until you learn how the math works and how intertwined it really is..that conversation should stay between you and your friends.

And by the way you just said

“Books are bad”…let that sink in next time you want to speak intelligently about a subject.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: armorpl8chikn