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The theory behind stabilizing bullets.

Mordamer

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    I think a large number of members could benefit from this knowledge if someone would care to share from special knowledge or even rumored theory.

    What makes bullets unstable?
    What can a reloader do to make a certain bullet stabilize better?
     
    Re: The theory behind stabilizing bullets.

    okay no scientist here but basically it goes like this the best i know...
    the bullet flies more stable the faster it spins...within reasonable parameters. when the bullets centrifigal spin cant offset drift and yaw and prolly a bajillion factors i dont understand, it begins to flop around like a fish and may even topple. the lighter bullets maintain their spin easier than the heavy ones so the heavies need a lower twist rate number, i.e. 1 in 7 for 77 grainers vs 1in9 thats okay for 55 grainers...capeesh?
     
    Re: The theory behind stabilizing bullets.

    Spin a top on a table a couple times...as gyroscopic spin weakens its stability is diminished as well. Only major difference with a bullet is the pull of gravity is not against the center of spin but perpendicular to it...
     
    Re: The theory behind stabilizing bullets.

    Let me dumb it down a bit: it's like the difference between a good football toss and a lousy one.

    And actually, lower mass objects do not retain angular velocity better than higher mass objects - in fact the opposite is true. However, to get the same angular velocity from a more massive bullet requires a tighter twist because it's launched at a lower velocity than the smaller ones. In other words, if you're launching 55's @ 3200 fps and 77's @ 2650 fps, you need a tighter twist to get the 77's up to a similar spin as the 55's.
     
    Re: The theory behind stabilizing bullets.

    what makes a bullet unstable?

    Simple answer: any bullet's aerodynamic center of pressure is forward of its center of gravity (mass). Therefore, without being properly spin stabilized, any slight disruption of the bullet's orientation (nose up, down, left, right) can cause it it to tumble.

    What can the reloader do to better stabilize a given bullet?

    Assuming you are talking about the same gun as well as the same bullet, your only answer is to increase muzzle velocity. Increasing muzzle velocity also increases rotational velocity. However, there are practical limitations to how much you can gain in this regard. While you are increasing rotational velocity, you are also increasing the magnitude of the destabilizing force that you are trying to overcome in the first place (increased muzzle velocity means increased aerodynamic forces on the bullet).

    ....Or, you can limit your shooting to hot, low pressure days
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    Re: The theory behind stabilizing bullets.

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bowslngr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(increased muzzle velocity means increased aerodynamic forces on the bullet).</div></div>

    Exactly - which was the point I was trying to make in this painful thread...

    http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1745870&
     
    Re: The theory behind stabilizing bullets.

    When the bullet leaves the muzzle it encounters this stuff we call air. Humans think of air as something thin, but at the speed of a bullet air is thick, so think that it is pushing very hard on the nose of the bullet, decelerating the bullet at 45-50 Gs.

    Since there is no similar force on the back of the bullet, the nose wants to decelerate, while the base wants to continue at the current speed. Thus, the bullet wants to flip around. In order to flip around, the nose has to start yawing in one direction other than the longitudinal direction it is traveling.

    Enter spin: If you can rotate the bullet so that by the tine the nose of the bullet has yawed a little into the wind (increasing the forces on the nose), the nose is now pointing in the opposite direction due to the bullets rotation, the bullet will compensate for the massive force on its nose and we call such bullets stable.

    The rest is math and constants.
     
    Re: The theory behind stabilizing bullets.

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mordamer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What makes bullets unstable?
    What can a reloader do to make a certain bullet stabilize better?</div></div>
    A. What makes bullets unstable?
    1) Insufficient rate of spin
    2) Flaws in the bullet resulting in a static imbalance or asymmetric drag
    3) Flaws in the barrel's bore, particularly at the muzzle's crown
    4) Crossing the transonic region before striking the target (generally but not always the case)
    5) Impact with anything of considerable mass

    B.What can a reloader do to make a certain bullet stabilize better?

    You're asking the wrong question. You select the bullet based on whether your barrel will stabilize it at the anticipated velocity and under the expected atmospheric conditions.


    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bowslngr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...Simple answer: any bullet's aerodynamic center of pressure is forward of its center of gravity (mass). Therefore, without being properly spin stabilized, any slight disruption of the bullet's orientation (nose up, down, left, right) can cause it it to tumble....</div></div>
    First, <span style="text-decoration: underline">all</span> bullets experience "disruption" at the instant they exit the muzzle. Not only does rotational stability <span style="text-decoration: underline">not</span> correct that condition, it causes the bullet to resist the forces that <span style="text-decoration: underline">would</span> correct it.

    If/when that correction occurs, once the spin axis has returned to coincidental with the path of flight, the bullet is said to have "gone to sleep." This obviously is something you want to occur as soon after launch as possible.

    It's not uncommon for F-Class benchrest shooters to have loads that will "keyhole" at 100 yards but cut perfectly circular holes at 200 yards and beyond, indicating that their bullets have not yet gone to sleep at the shorter distance.

    Second, CP is not a static property, it's dynamic. It moves aft progressively with velocity but takes a pronounced shift aft at or beyond the speed of sound due to the influence of the shock wave. Most spitzer-style bullets require the extra push from the shock wave to produce the positive static longitudinal stability that comes from having the CP aft of the CG. This is why the range at which a centerfire rifle's bullet slows to SoS (or better still, "break" velocity) usually is the distance established as its maximum range. Below SoS, CP shifts forward, which dramatically reduces the margin of stability. Spitzer bullets in general require dramatically higher RPMs to stabilize once they've lost SoS.

    This also is why wasp-waited "diabolo" airgun pellets -- which are designed purely for subsonic flight -- are made with their CG so near the meplat and with a large, high-drag skirt at the rear: that configuration guarantees the CP will remain aft of CG, even at subsonic velocities.

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bowslngr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...While you are increasing rotational velocity, you are also increasing the magnitude of the destabilizing force that you are trying to overcome in the first place (increased muzzle velocity means increased aerodynamic forces on the bullet)...</div></div>
    You're assuming that an increase in aerodynamic forces will reduce stability when in fact the opposite is true.

    The idealized perfectly stable bullet has a spin axis that is tangential to the path of flight. This is the lowest drag condition any bullet can experience, which in turn produces the most predictable path of flight. But that's <span style="text-decoration: underline">never</span> the way a bullet starts out.

    Because 1) even slow bullets revolve at a rate of several tens of thousands of RPMs, and 2) no bullet and bore are ever perfect, and 3) no muzzle ever is perfectly motionless at the instant of bullet exit, the bullet <span style="text-decoration: underline">always</span> gets knocked sideways a bit at muzzle exit. It's known as "lateral jump" or "lateral throw-off."

    At that point, the differing gyroscopic forces act together to produce a motion known as nutation, also called "coning." In plain english, that means the bullet is wobbling like a Billy Kilmer pass. The primary force acting to reduce the coning motion and to cause the bullet to "go to sleep" is aerodynamic drag.

    The higher the velocity, the greater the drag. The greater the drag, the further aft the CP is manifested. The further aft the CP is manifested, the more stable the bullet becomes and the sooner all coning is damped out.

    Angular momentum changes in linear fashion, meaning 2x the rotational velocity yields 2x the force. Aerodynamic drag, OTOH, changes with the square of velocity, meaning 2x the velocity produces (2^2=) 4x the drag and 3x velocity creates (3^2=) 9x the drag. So as velocity changes, the influence of aerodynamic drag (both on the CP and the bullet in general) changes at a greater rate than does angular momentum. That means that increasing the velocity of an already-stable bullet can never make it unstable whereas reducing its velocity can cause it to take longer to "go to sleep" and might entirely prevent it ever becoming stable.

    It's not a bullet's weight that determines how hard it has to be spun to be stable, it the ratio of length to diameter. So long as you're talking about bullets with the same profile/ogive, heavier usually will mean longer, so most folks think of it in those terms. But a round-nosed bullet generally will need fewer RPMs to be stable than will a high ogive spitzer of the same weight because it's shorter, which makes its length-to-diameter ratio lower. I shoot a 155-gr Laupa in my .308 that has to be spun harder than a 168-gr SMK because it has a very gradual taper (and a high ogive number) and is even longer than a 175-gr SMK! So it's not weight, it's that L-to-D ratio.

    All of which goes back to my point that you chose a bullet that will be stable (with a wide margin for +/- error) considering your barrel's twist, its anticipated velocity and the expected atmospheric conditions.