The CIA is a large part of the reason why this conflict is even occurring.
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The CIA is a large part of the reason why this conflict is even occurring.
Indeed folks do not seem to get it Ukraine had soviet nukes left on its territory with all the 'keys' to them in Moscow , sure posibly some tactical nukes could be made to work, Ukrainians at the time estimated they could need 20 bilion$ to repurpose those arms , and were broke at the time as were the Russians. Ukraine got $ and Russia paid Ukrainian share of debts of USSR nukes were shipped to Russia and most ex Soviet nukes were then reprocessed for Nuclear fuel which US bought which still powers couple of US reactors today.
Note at the time economic collapse was real and Ukraine became the worlds arms bazzar , Lord of War shopped mostly in Ukraine .
if nothing else there was considerable danger Nukes would be sold to whoever came with bags of cash . The danger of loose nukes far outweighed any extremely remote posibilty of Russian Ukrainian war at the time.
If Ukraine was left with nukes Both Iran and Iraq and bunch of other players would already have them
1999 billions so cca 60billion $ in todays money just on surplus arms .
''A Ukrainian parliamentary inquiry concluded that between 1992 and 1998, Ukraine lost $32 billion in military assets, in part through theft, discount arms sales and lack of oversight. (In comparison, Ukraine's spending on legal arms for defense in 1999 is estimated to have been $500 million.) Many of the missing weapons found their way into the hands of willing buyers in hot spots around the globe, from Sierra Leone to Croatia. And as these arms proliferated, so did evidence of international criminal networks that sold arms from Ukraine in flagrant violation of international sanctions and embargoes.
Ukraine does not manufacture small arms, but it inherited huge stockpiles after it broke away from the crumbling Soviet Union in 1991. The Red Army stationed nearly one million troops in Ukraine while it was a front-line member of the Eastern Bloc. As the newly independent state moved toward a partnership with NATO and downsized its military, its Soviet weapons fell into disuse. Some were sold off legally, but many slipped through the cracks and into the black market. Poorly paid soldiers "lost" their weapons, and some commanders were caught selling off entire military installations.
Theft and corruption in the military facilitated the flow of illegal weapons from Ukraine. It was also facilitated by forged or falsified end-user certificates, the export documents that are supposed to record the final recipient of an arms shipment. The ease with which arms shipments moved through official channels has led many observers to conclude that prominent Ukrainian officials were involved in the deals. In a 1999 report on Eastern European arms dealing, Human Rights Watch concluded that export-control authorities in the region were accepting arms brokers' documentation without question, either through "complicity or incompetence." Other observers say responsibility goes straight to the top of the Ukrainian government.''
During the past decade, Ukraine has gained a reputation as one of the world's most active suppliers of illegal small arms. It is one of several Eastern European countries that has turned to arms dealing as a source of much-needed hard currency. Between 1997 and 2000, the Ukrainian arms industry grew tenfold and exported $1.5 billion worth of weapons. While Ukraine's legal arms industry has boomed, the international small arms black market may have proved far more lucrative. Ukrainian arms have been linked to some of the world's bloodiest conflicts and most notorious governments, including the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein, and, until recently, the Taliban in Afghanistan.
The arrest of suspected arms smuggler Leonid Minin, who is currently awaiting trial in Italy, has shed some light on the workings of the Ukrainian arms trade. But his case is just one piece of a puzzle involving illicit weapons, high-level corruption and organized crime centered in Ukraine.......'''
Corruption Watch: January 10, 2002
10 January 2002, Volume 2, Number 1 SPOTLIGHT ARMING ROGUE STATES Illegal sales of armaments and munitions to rogue regimes and terrorist groups, along with indirect sales to terrorist organizations through fake end-user certificates, have been a problem for former Soviet and Warsaw Pact...
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Making a nuke is easy, books on it. Getting the plutonium... that's the hard part. Ukraine had that material.
I agree, crooked fk'rs would sell their mother along with material.
Don't fear the person who has a 100 nukes, fear the person who just wants one.
I agree, crooked fk'rs would sell their mother along with material.
Don't fear the person who has a 100 nukes, fear the person who just wants one.
"Any Member of Congress who votes in favor of this Act shall be required to conscript in the Ukrainian military," the amendment, obtained by Axios reporter Juliegrace Brufke,
"I mean if you want to fund the war, why don’t you go fight in it," she said. "Show your support for Ukraine."
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"I mean if you want to fund the war, why don’t you go fight in it," she said. "Show your support for Ukraine."
MTG introduces amendment to require House members to enlist in Ukrainian military if they vote for Ukraine aid
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) introduced an amendment to require the conscription into the Ukrainian military of any House members who vote in favor of a Ukraine aid bill. “Any
lol, will it pass?
Marjorie Taylor Greene Introduces Amendment to Ukraine Supplemental Bill: Members Who Vote ‘in Favor’ Required to Join Ukrainian Military
No Weapons, Men or Morale as the Kiev Caliphate Collapses ~ VIDEO
THE WESTERN MAINSTREAM MEDIA finally surrenders to reality as Politico admits Ukraine is sliding towards disaster. Over time, it becomes obvious: neither ordinary Ukrainians, nor the military, nor …
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Guessing the Russians did not go along with the narrative the US Gov & nato was pushing the msm, to feed the sheep?No Weapons, Men or Morale as the Kiev Caliphate Collapses ~ VIDEO
THE WESTERN MAINSTREAM MEDIA finally surrenders to reality as Politico admits Ukraine is sliding towards disaster. Over time, it becomes obvious: neither ordinary Ukrainians, nor the military, nor …
Shocking, just shocking I say!
It's pretty sad we (the US) has subverted Ukraine and abused them into fighting Russia on our behalf, to achieve some twisted neocon foreign policy born out of the cold war.
That country and it's people are getting devastated for some neocon wet dream. It's awful seeing the forced conscription occurring, including now individuals that are physically and mentally handicapped. Seeing people forced to fight a war they don't want to fight.
All while the legacy media reports on how Ukraine is a just and righteous battle that we must continue to prop up into perpetuity, for we are somehow the moral ones.
It's sick.
That country and it's people are getting devastated for some neocon wet dream. It's awful seeing the forced conscription occurring, including now individuals that are physically and mentally handicapped. Seeing people forced to fight a war they don't want to fight.
All while the legacy media reports on how Ukraine is a just and righteous battle that we must continue to prop up into perpetuity, for we are somehow the moral ones.
It's sick.
Beyond sick. To me its criminal. One of the reasons I can rapidly distinguish between murder & killing. What the Cabal is doing is murder for power & money. I don't think the man up stairs would have much issue with their demise.
I think it is going to snap soon. I also think you are going to see real issues if anyone floats the idea of Americans being over there in any "large" capacity. They already have half the military over there.
It is so far past fucked up.
Personally I think the most likely way this ends is that Ukraine sadly runs out of people to fight, and we are forced to abandon the cause. But we'll (not you and I, but the neocons driving our foreign policy) be very happy to support this effort until it becomes untenable to do so. Until then, the money will continue to flow to prop up the fight.
However, that doesn't mean this can't or won't escalate into something bigger. The optimist in me doesn't think it will, but I also know it's a very real possibility.
If we push too far or make grave miscalculations in reactions, it could happen. Ukraine could take actions that make this conflict wider. Or a NATO ally. There's lots of things that could make this conflict spread wider.
If the neocons make us fight a hot war over in Ukraine....
you'd think they would have to have some kind of proof to get out of paying.
We are about to find out if Russia was bluffing or not. I lean to the not side.
How do you say Kinzhal in French?
No idea
I've lived long enough to know those old sayings "Every dog has his day" or "Let sleeping dogs lie" holds more water than most know.
When Ike warned of MIC , he chickened out a bit ,he meant to warn of MICC , Congress being the other C
As Eisenhower spoke, the military-industrial complex was celebrating its twentieth birthday. The vast economic and administrative apparatus for the creation and deployment of weapons took its enduring shape during the two years preceding the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. It grew to gargantuan proportions during the war, then survived and flourished during the four decades of the Cold War. By the 1950s, members of Congress had insinuated themselves into positions of power in the complex, so that one is well justified in calling it the military-industrial-congressional complex (MICC) during the past 40 years.
As Eisenhower spoke, the military-industrial complex was celebrating its twentieth birthday. The vast economic and administrative apparatus for the creation and deployment of weapons took its enduring shape during the two years preceding the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. It grew to gargantuan proportions during the war, then survived and flourished during the four decades of the Cold War. By the 1950s, members of Congress had insinuated themselves into positions of power in the complex, so that one is well justified in calling it the military-industrial-congressional complex (MICC) during the past 40 years.
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Hopefully Russia is soon tired of swatting this little mouse Zelensky around and drops the hammer to crush that whole country.
Ukraine Gets Their Billions Despite CIA Director Reportedly Warning Zelenksy To Stop Stealing So Much Money | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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Congress will send $500 Billion of your money to Blackrock, Vanguard and State Street to "rebuild Ukraine".
Write that down, it's coming.
"The US is considering increasing its small military presence in Ukraine by sending up to 60 additional military advisers, POLITICO reported on Saturday, the same day the House approved $61 billion in spending for the proxy war.
Four unnamed US officials told POLITICO that the additional troops would “support logistics and oversight efforts for the weapons the US is sending Ukraine.”
Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said the potential deployment would augment US personnel based at the US Embassy in Kyiv. “Throughout this conflict, the DOD has reviewed and adjusted our presence in-country as security conditions have evolved. Currently, we are considering sending several additional advisers to augment the Office of Defense Cooperation (ODC) at the Embassy,” Ryder said."
I foresee a draft and glass down the road. No not beer either.
damn.....
so much corruption..
Front line troops don't even have bandages. BUT... Z has his millions of dollar houses all over the place
sad if true, but even he admits the war started in 2014.
The establishment-drafted Ukraine bill provides Ukraine with roughly $20 billion in economic aid, $16 billion in weapons, and roughly $11 billion for U.S. military operations and surveillance near Ukraine. But on page 18, the bill says the U.S. Department of Health and Human Service will receive:
tbf, they were honest about importing pussy, it was just filed wrong.
Or....
NOT
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Hit the nail on the head with that one.
Fuck all the cunts making this war drag out any further, truly evil scum.
russian propaganda?
bostontimes.org
"Do everything to prevent Donald Trump from winning the elections!” Leak from Ukrainian Troll Factory - The Boston Times
The CIA has been implicated in the operation of troll farms in Kyiv to influence American voters for the 2024…
bostontimes.org russian propaganda?
"Do everything to prevent Donald Trump from winning the elections!” Leak from Ukrainian Troll Factory - The Boston Times
The CIA has been implicated in the operation of troll farms in Kyiv to influence American voters for the 2024…
Which is ironic, given that Trump played an integral role getting this latest, and biggest, Ukraine aid package passed.
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