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They're both a serious enemy, on both sides. Anyone who got on the train of "LOL Russia got bogged down and spanked by little old Ukraine" has eaten their words at this point. Yes, in the beginning stages Russia overextended themselves against an enemy with the backing of the entirety of NATO, and paid for it dearly. They have since learned from their mistakes, fortified every position thoroughly, and turned this whole deal into a nearly static front meatgrinder. I think they'll "win" as long as Ukraine is forced to play that game, and isn't able to get fresh recruits from elsewhere.. insofar as "winning" means Ukraine likely won't be able to significantly take any more ground.
Whatever happens, I would think the best course of action for Ukraine(and everyone else IMO) would be to negotiate a ceasefire before resources are completely exhausted. This could change.. at the current trajectory, the longer this goes the stronger of a position Russia will be in to demand more during negotiations.
Larry Fink, Blackrock, and our politicians are going to make so much money from the reconstruction.
If US and EU do not pay for it no one is going to invest much in reconstruction projects . Most reconstruction will be going on across the DMZ on the Russian side as there is also where most damage is at.
Folks also overlook that Ukrainians when talking about reconstruction wanted the country modernized not necessarily just reconstructed. Much higher price tag on that end.
But that was before the Z needed to fellate Congress for money, i am sure they are now flying in some talent to 'lobby' harder
In EU they are now trying to find a way around a veto. Basically, every country is free to give money to Ukraine that has always been a case, but none really wants to because that is money is directly from the budget,that would otherwise be spent at home,
So far most of the European funds came from the 'money press' , unelected Eurocrats and institutions,so avoiding individual country exposure and accountability to the electorate. And EU member countries only had to sign of on collateral for the money press, which no one ever expected need to cover as the money printer just prints more. That is only way they could realy finance it.
That is somewhat similar to how in US unelected bureaucrats like Yellen and Nuland are doing most of the pushing
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Kiev prepares a 180-degree turn - "Bombs" Arestovich: "The US dragged us into war and abandoned us - We chose the wrong side in the conflict"
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Το Κίεβο ετοιμάζει στροφή 180 μοιρών – “Βόμβες” Αρεστόβιτς: “
Σε δηλώσεις βόμβα κατά των ΗΠΑ και του Β.Ζελένσκι προχώρησε ο πρώην σύμβουλος του Ουκρανού προέδρου και νυν υποψήφιος για
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US Announces New Weapons Aid for Ukraine as Congress Is Stalled on More Funding
The U.S. is sending a $175 million package of military aid to Ukraine, including guided missiles for the High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, anti-armor systems and high-speed anti-radiation missiles.
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Serious episode in Congress: Republicans put a tombstone in Ukraine - Zelensky's speech canceled
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Σοβαρό επεισόδιο στο Κογκρέσο: Ταφόπλακα στην Ουκρανία έβαλαν οι Ρεπο
Σοβαρό διπλωματικό επεισόδιο εκτυλίχθηκε αργά χτες τη νύχτα μεταξύ της ουκρανικής προεδρίας και των Γερουσιαστών του Κογκρέσου. Ο πρόεδρ
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Morale and chain of command are gone, regardless of what Z and others want.
Z knows that as soon as this "war" is over, the soldiers are coming for him and the rest of the "leadership" that sent them to die.
they were saying that from the trenches over a year ago, and that sentiment has spread.
that is why zelensky isn't likely to choose a path towards peace...it would be his end.
"Nuclear" bomb from Russia: "We will decide with a referendum the annexation of the whole of Ukraine" - Will the "New Russia" Army continue the war?
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The article is all over the map, but some quotes:
"It is the people of Ukraine who could make such a choice, as the people of Crimea and other Russian regions have expressed their will to join Russia , said Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee Yuri Shvytkin. "It's a shame that an American senator decides on Ukraine. They have driven Ukraine to the point of real collapse. Ukraine is essentially on the brink of an abyss. It has ceased to exist as a state," Yuri Shvytkin said, adding that Russia's primary goal is to achieve the goals of the special military operation. Chris Murphy, a member of the US Senate from the Democratic Party, expressed the view that Ukraine could become part of Russia if the US fails to approve an additional aid package to the former Soviet republic for 2024."
"In addition, the first volunteer battalion composed entirely of former Ukrainian soldiers was formed at the end of October, after prisoners of war (POWs) decided to fight in the Russian army. According to military sources, the volunteer battalion joined the tactical formation "Cascade" and included about 70 soldiers. The vast majority of them voluntarily laid down their arms and surrendered to the Russian army. The Ukrainian volunteers even signed contracts with the Russian armed forces on the same terms that any other Russian would sign. In fact, members of the new battalion "Bogdan Khmelnitsky" confirmed that they joined the unit voluntarily and also received Russian citizenship. The logical question is, why should Ukrainian prisoners join the fight with the Russian side? The answer is rather simple. The surrendered Ukrainian POWs have had more than enough time to see how the Russian people and military still see the Ukrainian people, despite what has been happening in the last almost decade. Moreover, it is clear that the majority of Ukrainians now see the government in Kiev as a neo-Nazi junta. In fact, Zelensky owes his victory in the 2019 elections to the fact that he came down as a "candidate for peace" and essentially lied his way to the top. To further illustrate how tragic it is to see Russians and Ukrainians fighting each other, battalion commander “Bogdan Khmelnitsky” stated that it is common for Russian soldiers to find their Ukrainian relatives in captivity, which is one of the reasons why to join the Russian army."
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“Πυρηνική” βόμβα από Ρωσία: “Θα αποφασίσουμε με δημοψήφισμα τ
Ανώτερος Ρώσος Αξιωματούχος προχώρησε σε δήλωση σοκ αποκαλύπτοντας πως η “προσάρτηση ολόκληρης της Ουκρανίας θα αποφασιστεί με δημοψήφισμα”! Είναι η πρώτη φορά από την έναρξη του πολέμου που ακούγεται επίσημα κάτι τέτοιο γεγονός που δείχνει πως οι στόχοι της Ρωσίας έχουν αλλάξει μετά την...
warnews247-gr.translate.goog The article is all over the map, but some quotes:
"It is the people of Ukraine who could make such a choice, as the people of Crimea and other Russian regions have expressed their will to join Russia , said Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee Yuri Shvytkin. "It's a shame that an American senator decides on Ukraine. They have driven Ukraine to the point of real collapse. Ukraine is essentially on the brink of an abyss. It has ceased to exist as a state," Yuri Shvytkin said, adding that Russia's primary goal is to achieve the goals of the special military operation. Chris Murphy, a member of the US Senate from the Democratic Party, expressed the view that Ukraine could become part of Russia if the US fails to approve an additional aid package to the former Soviet republic for 2024."
"In addition, the first volunteer battalion composed entirely of former Ukrainian soldiers was formed at the end of October, after prisoners of war (POWs) decided to fight in the Russian army. According to military sources, the volunteer battalion joined the tactical formation "Cascade" and included about 70 soldiers. The vast majority of them voluntarily laid down their arms and surrendered to the Russian army. The Ukrainian volunteers even signed contracts with the Russian armed forces on the same terms that any other Russian would sign. In fact, members of the new battalion "Bogdan Khmelnitsky" confirmed that they joined the unit voluntarily and also received Russian citizenship. The logical question is, why should Ukrainian prisoners join the fight with the Russian side? The answer is rather simple. The surrendered Ukrainian POWs have had more than enough time to see how the Russian people and military still see the Ukrainian people, despite what has been happening in the last almost decade. Moreover, it is clear that the majority of Ukrainians now see the government in Kiev as a neo-Nazi junta. In fact, Zelensky owes his victory in the 2019 elections to the fact that he came down as a "candidate for peace" and essentially lied his way to the top. To further illustrate how tragic it is to see Russians and Ukrainians fighting each other, battalion commander “Bogdan Khmelnitsky” stated that it is common for Russian soldiers to find their Ukrainian relatives in captivity, which is one of the reasons why to join the Russian army."
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Fake news? No way even retard Biden would say that. Well, maybe.not sure about 600k but....
He forgot to ask for men, it looks like they might be the limited commodity they are running out of.
But it seems Brandon is already threatening to send you to Ukraine if you do not pay up
''Joe Biden raises the specter of American troops having to fight Russians in Europe if Congress stands by and allows Ukraine to fall''
Ukraine official says it can't properly use its Western kit because it has so few soldiers left, report says
Ukraine's army is in such dire need of manpower that it is preventing it using some Western equipment, an aide to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy told Time magazine.
www.businessinsider.com He forgot to ask for men, it looks like they might be the limited commodity they are running out of.
But it seems Brandon is already threatening to send you to Ukraine if you do not pay up
''Joe Biden raises the specter of American troops having to fight Russians in Europe if Congress stands by and allows Ukraine to fall''
Ukraine official says it can't properly use its Western kit because it has so few soldiers left, report says
Ukraine's army is in such dire need of manpower that it is preventing it using some Western equipment, an aide to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy told Time magazine.
They have a shopping list because they have a buyer already waiting
this is sounding more and more like a WW2 replay. same sorta goes for gaza.
So that’s the sweet after-retirement gig he was trying to set up after his service. Color me shocked.
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Here’s the originating article. It appears there was a typo - it wasn’t Trident International but Trident Support.
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EXCLUSIVE: Alexander Vindman Secretly Pitching Ukrainian Military for Millions in Defense Contracts
Vindman proposed that for $12 million in initial funding, his company Trident Support would bring support closer to the front lines.
humanevents.com Him and Miley should be cell mates at Leavenworth.
More pics of the new Shahed-238 dropped:
Upgrades look to be:
1. Speed increase with addition of jet engine (although it doesn't look to be shielded?).
2. A more RCS friendly profile. All the sharp edges where body tube joined wings etc are gone. If I get bored/get time will do it in CAD and run an SBR RCS sim and see how it does.
3. Some variety of EO/thermal seeker.
This kind of begs the question though, at what point does it just become a cruise missile?
Upgrades look to be:
1. Speed increase with addition of jet engine (although it doesn't look to be shielded?).
2. A more RCS friendly profile. All the sharp edges where body tube joined wings etc are gone. If I get bored/get time will do it in CAD and run an SBR RCS sim and see how it does.
3. Some variety of EO/thermal seeker.
This kind of begs the question though, at what point does it just become a cruise missile?
Maybe they join Russia and they will go to Berlin.Kiev prepares a 180-degree turn - "Bombs" Arestovich: "The US dragged us into war and abandoned us - We chose the wrong side in the conflict"
Το Κίεβο ετοιμάζει στροφή 180 μοιρών – “Βόμβες” Αρεστόβιτς: “
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Atmosphere of impending doom in Kiev: "The worst is yet to come" – Vladimir Putin: "No negotiations – We are stronger than ever"
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"An atmosphere of impending doom is looming in Ukraine. The continuous advance of Russian forces on all fronts, the reduction of Western military support and the lack of combat-ready units leave no room for optimism in Kiev.
The tone of many officials and lawmakers has changed in Kiev. Everyone understands that the "worst is ahead"."
Aτμόσφαιρα επικείμενου ολέθρου στο Κίεβο: “Τα χειρότερα έρχονταιR
Μια ατμόσφαιρα επικείμενου ολέθρου σκιαγραφείται στην Ουκρανία. Η συνεχής προέλαση των ρωσικών δυνάμεων σε όλα τα μέτωπα, η μείωση της
warnews247-gr.translate.goog "An atmosphere of impending doom is looming in Ukraine. The continuous advance of Russian forces on all fronts, the reduction of Western military support and the lack of combat-ready units leave no room for optimism in Kiev.
The tone of many officials and lawmakers has changed in Kiev. Everyone understands that the "worst is ahead"."
Dramatic developments: Dozens of areas come under Russian control - Extensive retreat of Ukrainian forces along the entire front line
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Δραματικές εξελίξεις: Δεκάδες περιοχές περνούν υπό ρωσικό έλεγχο –
Το ουκρανικό γενικό επιτελείο ετοιμάζει εκτεταμένη υποχώρηση των ουκρανικών ΕΔ από έναν αριθμό οικισμών και περιοχών στην ανατολική Ουκρανία καθώς η κατάσταση επιδεινώνεται μέρα με την ημέρα για τους Ουκρανούς. “Οι ουκρανικές Ένοπλες Δυνάμεις ενδέχεται να υποχωρήσουν από έναν αριθμό οικισμών...
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"The USA and Germany have decided to pressure Ukraine to capitulate with Russia and that is why they are constantly reducing military aid, German media broadcast, speaking of a "secret" Biden-Sholtz plan aimed at ending the war. According to the WSJ, the strategy of the West has changed as the Ukrainian Army has suffered an unprecedented disaster, due to which it will not be able to launch a new counterattack before the spring of 2025"
"According to the WSJ, 2024 will be the year of the Ukrainian army's recovery. Thus, if Ukraine and its allies can overcome the current difficulties and continue supplying troops, Ukraine will be ready for a large-scale counteroffensive to regain occupied territories in 2025. The Ukrainian military should contain Russian forces, giving time for Ukraine's allies to train more Ukrainian troops, expand weapons production and replenish Ukraine's arsenals, the WSJ noted."
Λευκή πετσέτα από ΗΠΑ-Γερμανία: “Ο ουκρανικός Στρατός καταστράφηκε
ΗΠΑ και Γερμανία έχουν αποφασίσει να πιέσουν την Ουκρανία να συνθηκολογήσει με την Ρωσία και γι' αυτό μειώνουν διαρκώς τη
warnews247-gr.translate.goog "The USA and Germany have decided to pressure Ukraine to capitulate with Russia and that is why they are constantly reducing military aid, German media broadcast, speaking of a "secret" Biden-Sholtz plan aimed at ending the war. According to the WSJ, the strategy of the West has changed as the Ukrainian Army has suffered an unprecedented disaster, due to which it will not be able to launch a new counterattack before the spring of 2025"
"According to the WSJ, 2024 will be the year of the Ukrainian army's recovery. Thus, if Ukraine and its allies can overcome the current difficulties and continue supplying troops, Ukraine will be ready for a large-scale counteroffensive to regain occupied territories in 2025. The Ukrainian military should contain Russian forces, giving time for Ukraine's allies to train more Ukrainian troops, expand weapons production and replenish Ukraine's arsenals, the WSJ noted."
Here you are taking a leak , minding your own business and out of nowhere caped crusader knifes you while the other cape storms the trench.
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with the way those two are groping each other, somebody will be coming shortly.
and I guess we are supposed to be ok with US 'defense' funds for our own armed forces being diverted to a foreign military.
Explosive political meeting Ukraine, a guy calmly toses 2 hand grenades and holds a third one in the hand
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maybe he lost a son or sons in the corrupt proxy war and he's upset people don't seem to give a shit.
prolly discussing lgbt issues while their sons die for nothing.
Budget talks
Deputies at the session approved the budget for 2024. The media write that Batrin argued very strongly with them - he demanded that the deputies report on the 2023 budget, and then adopt the budget for 2024.
A few minutes before the explosion, the deputy was quarreling with his colleagues that during the war it was impossible to give the village mayor a 50% bonus and a monthly bonus of 100% of the salary.
At some point, Batrin left the hall and returned 2 minutes 40 seconds later. The media also claim that another deputy left with Batrin, but did not return to the hall.
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Maybe it's already been said but I will say it again, hopefully in simpler terms.
The reason that so many of our politicians want to see Ukraine win at any cost is their fear of a Russian takeover.
They don't fear the takeover itself. What they fear is the dirt, on US politicians, that Russia will find after a complete takeover.
The reason that so many of our politicians want to see Ukraine win at any cost is their fear of a Russian takeover.
They don't fear the takeover itself. What they fear is the dirt, on US politicians, that Russia will find after a complete takeover.
or they cannot simply admit they were wrong, and responsible the countless deaths, just like the tragic clotshots.
Its simpler than that ,is just a business transaction , from taxpayers pocket to a relatively narrow circle, and its great because the public is easily hoodwinked into supporting xyz war when their own men are not dying. Or even when they are in sustainable numbers that also get hidden (Iraq &Afghanistan and every where the men mostly soldering are rural and poorer folk so much easier sell)
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You can afford it when US taxpayers are footing the bills.
It's all out. The kickbacks, Hunters fake companies. Nobody that could do anything about it gives a shit.
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