The war in Ukraine and Donbas

[Emerson0311]

Folks don't quite get the math associated with the aid

Even if this gets passed a 60billion today is not buying you same as a 60billion did 2years ago

2y ago US and EU supplied mostly surplus stuff that was at times decades old = cheap and readily available from storage

Besides being old and cheap its was also bought at the price point not attainable at same now manufactured stuff ,for example when US army bought stingers last time around they cost something like 30k$ a piece , now Raytheon is charging 400k. So even if it was calculated at purchase prices (which it was not , remember those miraculous billions that were found by depreciating the value for surplus gifted to Ukraine).

We supplied thousands of tanks and APCs from ex Warsaw pact that cost peanuts per unit, supply new today you are looking at 4-6mio IFVs and 12mio $ tank, like with much of the new vs old stuff, sometimes you are looking at getting less than a tenth of supply same billions bought 2 years ago.

Like France is pledging 3billion over 10 years , Germany pledged a new defense pact worth 3 billion and with deliveries of grand total of 18x howitzers till 2027 each one of these costs 20+million $ ,vse less than 2mio for refurbed surplus howitzer of same type
While money seems in billions gear bought with these billions is in dozens not hin hundrets or thousands

Whole goal of these aid packages is not aid to Ukraine but to load up the order books of MIC funded with taxpayers money before folks loose the appetite to fund all this.

Germany signs $201M contract for 10 PzH2000 howitzers to replenish stocks sent to Ukraine

Just another rich guy game to fleece the taxpayer funded government.

 

[fpgt72]

Folks don't quite get the math associated with the aid

Even if this gets passed a 60billion today is not buying you same as a 60billion did 2years ago

2y ago US and EU supplied mostly surplus stuff that was at times decades old = cheap and readily available from storage

Besides being old and cheap its was also bought at the price point not attainable at same now manufactured stuff ,for example when US army bought stingers last time around they cost something like 30k$ a piece , now Raytheon is charging 400k. So even if it was calculated at purchase prices (which it was not , remember those miraculous billions that were found by depreciating the value for surplus gifted to Ukraine).

We supplied thousands of tanks and APCs from ex Warsaw pact that cost peanuts per unit, supply new today you are looking at 4-6mio IFVs and 12mio $ tank, like with much of the new vs old stuff, sometimes you are looking at getting less than a tenth of supply same billions bought 2 years ago.

Like France is pledging 3billion over 10 years , Germany pledged a new defense pact worth 3 billion and with deliveries of grand total of 18x howitzers till 2027 each one of these costs 20+million $ ,vse less than 2mio for refurbed surplus howitzer of same type
While money seems in billions gear bought with these billions is in dozens not hin hundrets or thousands

Whole goal of these aid packages is not aid to Ukraine but to load up the order books of MIC funded with taxpayers money before folks loose the appetite to fund all this.

Germany signs $201M contract for 10 PzH2000 howitzers to replenish stocks sent to Ukraine

If you remember the ex Warsaw Pact equipment was only given up by the host country if we "supplied" them with modern western equipment.

There is your money to the MIC.

It all goes back to what IKE warned us about in the early 60's. He saw this day coming and tried to warn us.

 

[Lightning8]

All the leftover Warsaw Pact tanks, APCs, artillery plus all the associated ammo is consumed. All new MIC stuff now. Watch and see the M4orgeries popping up in Ukraine.

 

[theLBC]

 

[theLBC]

 

[theLBC]

 

[theLBC]

 

[fpgt72]

I think the russians are happy right where they are. I have a feeling they see what is going on, and know the end is soon.

 

[Mr.BR]

Well it seems he did not get the chance to spend the 500k$ he got for defecting and killing his crew.

Got shot 5 times and then run over with a car in Spain

 

[theLBC]

Well it seems he did not get the chance to spend the 500k$ he got for defecting and killing his crew.

Got shot 5 times and then run over with a car in Spain

until brennan and haspel are in prison for treason, i will assume it was the cia that killed him (to make putin look worse).
just like the "dissident" that the cia tried to use to generate a coup in russia.

 

[lariat]

OK, honest question, someone help me with the answer.

We need to send food to Ukraine, but the Polish farmers are blocking the entry of food from Ukraine into Poland to keep their farms and prevent commodity dumping. If they have the excess, why not distribute it to the Uke citizenry?

Senators press for speedy release of promised food aid as global crises intensify

The Biden administration announced $1 billion in global food aid in October, but it has yet to be distributed.

www.politico.com

“There’s hungry people in Ukraine, about 11 million. But in Gaza, it’s 2.2 million people there, [and] 2.2 million people are starving,” Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.), the top Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee, said in a recent interview after meeting with World Food Program Chief Cindy McCain."

 

[Darayavaus]

5/7 Patriot systems destroyed by the Russians, 15 billion dollars worth of equipment lost in last few months. Around 40 British "mercenaries" manning the patriots also KIA.

 

[Darayavaus]

 

[Mr.BR]

Ready to fill the trenches in Teheran, North Korea ..............




Fox trying to one up Tucker , was expecting both of them to start chopping wood at some point

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

Ukraine bound in 3, 2...

 

[Mr.BR]

Ukraine bound in 3, 2...

Where did the find these paved tranches wide enough to drive through with a Humvee

that is how real ones look

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

 

[theLBC]

 

[theLBC]

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Calling Putin's bluff will not work out well for anyone especially nato. Bunch of rainbow faggots will get their ass handed to them again.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Calling Putin's bluff will not work out well for anyone especially nato. Bunch of rainbow faggots will get their ass handed to them again.

If they take off and land in the Ukraine, maybe WWIII gets delayed and the Russians just blow up the airfields and practice using them for SAM training and try to hit them on the ground.

But if the stupid Polish (most likely it would be Polish to be so stupid) let them take off & / or land in Poland (or some other stupid NATO country) then I predict it's going to escalate in a huge big way.

But for the Russians this could be a good thing, they need current practice in the field getting the SAMs to take out F16 planes.
The experience and R&D value would probably outweigh any losses the F16 planes from the "Ukrainians" cause.
(Sure they will no doubt be a much older block without all the cool stuff we keep for ourselves, but hey free target practice is free target practice).

 

[Shawny]

A user named after a cat's shit quotes an obese criminal. Seems extremely legit.

If you attack another country and start a war, you are in a war yourself too. One cannot shoot missiles and bomb another country and then require them not to respond.

Btw, another ruzzian AWACS plane just got shot down

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Someone list nato, wins, ties & loses from their inception.

 

[lariat]

https://www.newsweek.com/nato-gives-ukraine-go-ahead-cross-putins-red-line-1872629

But there is still no date that they will be deployed that I have seen.

Ukraine Air Force preparing infrastructure for F-16 transfer with no concrete timeline at this stage

It is not yet possible to talk about the specific timing of the transfer of F-16 aircraft to Ukraine by foreign partners, spokesperson for the Ukrainian Air Force, Yuriy Ihnat, said during a national telethon program on Feb. 19.

news.yahoo.com

 

[Mr.BR]

Besides, small numbers promised problem for F16 to make much impact is ground infrastructure. Soviet fighters Ukrainans operate now are designed to handle poor runways without danger of FOD ingestion
Of course, they can resurface some airstrips, but the issue is how many,as currently what is left from the Ukrainian airforce survives by constantly redeploying from airfield to airfield on every mission to prevent them being located and hit. If that runway hopping is not available for F16 they will be hit on the ground.



The airfields of the Air Force of Ukraine are covered with concrete slabs. It dramatically differs from the covering on NATO airfields, which have either larger slabs or, usually, a solid covering at all.

The answer to the question whether F-16 or F-15 can take off from Ukraine’s airfields is quite simple and proved in practice during joint exercises with the US Air Force, which took place in Myrhorod and Starokostyantyniv. But we should note that before the US visit the runway was closed for a rather long repairing process.


FOD protection screens closed over intake for take off and landing , planes designed for shitiy runways with large tyres ,mudguards and FOD screens

Louvred secndary air intakes

FOD walks to clear the runways that are magnitudes better than what Ukrainans have are SOP in NATO airforces

 

[NoDopes]

Nascar just runs a jet blower down one side. Seems faster and likely as good.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Besides, small numbers promised problem for F16 to make much impact is ground infrastructure. Soviet fighters Ukrainans operate now are designed to handle poor runways without danger of FOD ingestion
Of course, they can resurface some airstrips, but the issue is how many,as currently what is left from the Ukrainian airforce survives by constantly redeploying from airfield to airfield on every mission to prevent them being located and hit. If that runway hopping is not available for F16 they will be hit on the ground.



The airfields of the Air Force of Ukraine are covered with concrete slabs. It dramatically differs from the covering on NATO airfields, which have either larger slabs or, usually, a solid covering at all.

The answer to the question whether F-16 or F-15 can take off from Ukraine’s airfields is quite simple and proved in practice during joint exercises with the US Air Force, which took place in Myrhorod and Starokostyantyniv. But we should note that before the US visit the runway was closed for a rather long repairing process.


FOD protection screens closed over intake for take off and landing , planes designed for shitiy runways with large tyres and FOD screens

Louvred secndary air intakes
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FOD walks to clear the runways that are magnitudes better than what Ukrainans have are SOP in NATO airforces

what are the louvres for

 

[sharac]

Alternate air intake, bottom hatch closes upper opens hence no debris in engine and expensive fan blades dont exit from the engine…

 

[Mr.BR]

what are the louvres for

Secondary air intake as the main is shut closed till plane reaches cca 200km/h
seen at around 0:45 mark as FOD ramps start opening ,

 

[RUTGERS95]

Alternate air intake, bottom hatch closes upper opens hence no debris in engine and expensive fan blades dont exit from the engine…

makes sense, thank you

 

[Lightning8]

Nascar just runs a jet blower down one side. Seems faster and likely as good.

Only way to get some exercise for the AF

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

1000000%
US .gov refused to engagein/oversee peace talks. Also Boris Johnson was sent in at a different time to put a stop to ceasefire negotiations.
Fckn MIC controlled WEF puppets spreading misery wherever they can...
If that misery happens to fall solely upon white men- all the better.

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

A user named after a cat's shit quotes an obese criminal. Seems extremely legit.

If you attack another country and start a war, you are in a war yourself too. One cannot shoot missiles and bomb another country and then require them not to respond.

Btw, another ruzzian AWACS plane just got shot down

Hmm.. member since 2014.. with 6 posts?

...decides to pop in this specific thread to try and promote support for the Ukie cause after seeing that very very few here have any faith whatsoever in the NATO and its leaders.
You realize that Ukraine ain't the good guys in this situation right?
Let me specify- I have a ton of sympathy for those poor SOBs being sent to the meatgrinder. Ukraine’s leaders however are CIA globalist puppets who are sending their own people to die en masse.... in order for them to be replaced by "vibrant culturally enriching" migrants. Who will treat the Ukrainian women much better than those evil white devils that have died at the front. London and all the other western euroweenie nations have shown very clearly that these 3rd world migrants are much harder working, smarter, and overall more prosperous along with building back better these white communities they move into, compared to when those communities were controlled by stupid yt pipo. Ask any British white girl... the migrants treat them far better than the white men they're replacing. They're simply just grateful to be there.. and it shows!

 

[pmclaine]

A user named after a cat's shit quotes an obese criminal. Seems extremely legit.

If you attack another country and start a war, you are in a war yourself too. One cannot shoot missiles and bomb another country and then require them not to respond.

Btw, another ruzzian AWACS plane just got shot down

This is a glowing report.

You have been a ghost since 2014 except for 6 times you hit the lure.

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

Fckn hell bro.. looks like he didn't lose any limbs tho?? Because at least from what I can see- you can see his legs are still attached as he gets blown head over heels..?
Chances he made it out alive?

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

This is a glowing report.

You have been a ghost since 2014 except for 6 times you hit the lure.

Exactly what I thought

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

Calling Putin's bluff will not work out well for anyone especially nato. Bunch of rainbow faggots will get their ass handed to them again.

This shit needs to stop.
If Zelensky had his way.. we'd have alrdy sent our entire arsenal of nuke armed Trident D2 SLBM's at every major city in Russia.

 

[W54/XM-388]

This shit needs to stop.
If Zelensky had his way.. we'd have alrdy sent our entire arsenal of nuke armed Trident D2 SLBM's at every major city in Russia.

Zelensky is a fool and a puppet and has no say so or clue about anything.

It does the Global Elites, Global Bankers, our corrupt politicians and the MIC no good at this point to go full scale nuclear launch which would probably mean a return nuclear launch from Russia and probably China. Everything would get blowed up and no more money would stop flowing.

The plan is probably to fight till the last Ukranian is killed so the Elites and the corrupt can milk this for every dollar they can and then eventually make "peace" and refill the Ukraine with a bunch of Muslim immigrants or such.

Far from destroying Russia as our politicians boldly proclaim, most likely both Russia and China will come out of this on a much better war footing with a revamped military and a lot of good experience, both will become much more capable foes after Russia finishes with this costly learning experience.

 

[Shawny]

This is a glowing report.

You have been a ghost since 2014 except for 6 times you hit the lure.

Yeah, years ago I created an account and forgot it for years. Lately I've become more active on the shooting again so I found this forum again. If this is an issue to you there's not much I can do about it. Hope you can live with it.

Do you agree or disagree with my view on how wars work? As said, if Russia attacks a sovereign country Russia cannot complain if the fighting happens in their area as well. There is no rule stating that the war should only be fought in the country that got attacked.

 

[Shawny]

You realize that Ukraine ain't the good guys in this situation right?

I don't believe in good or bad guys. What I think is that it's pretty obvious who is attacking who. Ukraine would like to live in peace and mind its own business, and Russia doesn't allow their neighboring countries to do that.

But out of curiosity, do you really consider Putin and the Russians to be the good guys here? Or do you think everyone is equally bad or something like that?

Ukraine’s leaders however are CIA globalist puppets who are sending their own people to die en masse.... in order for them to be replaced by "vibrant culturally enriching" migrants. Who will treat the Ukrainian women much better than those evil white devils that have died at the front. London and all the other western euroweenie nations have shown very clearly that these 3rd world migrants are much harder working, smarter, and overall more prosperous along with building back better these white communities they move into, compared to when those communities were controlled by stupid yt pipo. Ask any British white girl... the migrants treat them far better than the white men they're replacing. They're simply just grateful to be there.. and it shows!

I sincerely have no idea if this is sarcasm or your honest theory. As a European, rest assured that things look a bit different here than you seem to think.

 

[Shawny]

I guess things we can all agree are
-This war is good news for China; Russia is more dependent on China which means the Panda will penetrate the Bear in the ass, rob the valuables and gain control over Russia and its natural resources.
-Europe has been weak and unprepared for too long, except Poland, Finland and some other rarities. Especially the Western Europe has been just hoping for the best for too long.
-Russian military has proved to be shittier than thought
-Ukraine has fought harder and better than almost anyone thought two years ago. Most of us thought they'd fall in days.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

When seeing a headline or hearing of an event one use to be presented with the 5 w's. >>>>Who, What, Where, When, & the most important >>>> Why. In today's world everyone believes the,... why,... that is presented is in fact the truth. My question is WHY would that be? Have people become so shallow, lazy, or are they just so stupid they like the shit sandwich being fed to them, while not noticing the world around them is burning down do to lies?

There are those who seek the truth to all events, then there are those who believe the media lies and parrot the party line. The last of the groups is the most dangerous as they are the target group, the sheep. No matter how good the sheep dog is, he can only protect XXX sheep before being over whelmed by same. With the advent of AI many sheep dogs have had to change tactics and now actively hunt the Remora's, while still stalking & baiting the lone wolf, as the pack leadership now know the danger in group numbers.

Many fail to understand history does repeat, albeit with the shoe on the other foot at times. In the Case of Russia & Ukraine, I take you back to what the US & Turkey did,.... that precipitated the events on 10/16/1962. Now think for yourself,... if that does not elude you.

Easy to be a parrot when you are just a algorithm, or too stupid to know you're only being used to further the agenda of the NWO/OWO.

The indoctrination processes has changed over the years, yet the end game is the same. It's just different fools being fooled, no matter the letters or title behind their name. Something about lipstick on a pig when I see a empty suit or dress script reading & not answering direct unannounced questions.

Its med time, w/all the pudding one can eat, then hands on with Nurse Ratchet, life is good? Does that last have the 5w's? Are you able to think for yourself?

 

[theLBC]

Yeah, years ago I created an account and forgot it for years. Lately I've become more active on the shooting again so I found this forum again. If this is an issue to you there's not much I can do about it. Hope you can live with it.

Do you agree or disagree with my view on how wars work? As said, if Russia attacks a sovereign country Russia cannot complain if the fighting happens in their area as well. There is no rule stating that the war should only be fought in the country that got attacked.

agree.
but don't forget it was ukrainian nazis slaughtering ethnic russians in their own country (since 2014) that actually started this.

since we are sponsoring this proxy war, you seem to be saying it would be ok for russia to strike the us territories or bases.
this is what many of us fear.

 

[theLBC]

she actually brags that we've done it before.
how did afghanistan work out? iraq? libya?

 

[theLBC]

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

she actually brags that we've done it before.
how did afghanistan work out? iraq? libya?

It's funny how many people fall for this tired propaganda line.
If we don't stop it there.... Communism, Putin, radical islam, Terrorism and for additional prodding weapons of mass destruction!! Ruthless Dictator!!!
Meanwhile the CIA is balls deep in fucking up almost every country around the world

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

It's just a very small percentage of fraud. Hmmm, when did I hear that before? The kenyan in '09 when they spent 3 trillion on Jobs Ready.

 

[sharac]

In Europe it does not look different. Stupid has no nationality so to fix your statement, stupid US view is the same stupid view in Europe. By your own logic US should
be nuked several times over for having its flag and troops uninvited in other countries for decades now…not to mention USAF escapades with no boots on the ground.

As it appears Russians decided that Ukies are weak enough for final push and they are actively pushing over all line of contact and gaining whatever square km Ukies paid dearly for in last few months. Really when it comes to war one should learn from history if not nation may die…just ask krauts how its hanging in their cities. Z nation basically, land of walking dead and literaly at that.

 

[theLBC]

 

[theLBC]

9 years ago

In Ukraine, the US is dragging us towards war with Russia | John Pilger

John Pilger: Washington's role in Ukraine, and its backing for the regime's neo-Nazis, has huge implications for the rest of the world

www.theguardian.com

Like the ruins of Iraq and Afghanistan, Ukraine has been turned into a CIA theme park – run personally by CIA director John Brennan in Kiev, with dozens of "special units" from the CIA and FBI setting up a "security structure" that oversees savage attacks on those who opposed the February coup. Watch the videos, read the eye-witness reports from the massacre in Odessa this month. Bussed fascist thugs burned the trade union headquarters, killing 41 people trapped inside. Watch the police standing by.

A doctor described trying to rescue people, "but I was stopped by pro-Ukrainian Nazi radicals. One of them pushed me away rudely, promising that soon me and other Jews of Odessa are going to meet the same fate. What occurred yesterday didn't even take place during the fascist occupation in my town in world war two. I wonder, why the whole world is keeping silent." [see footnote]