This won’t be popular, but serious question for the Vets on disability

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    I keep seeing videos where people teach Vets how to get more disability, how is this open fraud tolerated? People get pissed off at government spending but every cook and supply guy has 100% disability. I’ve worked with guys claiming 100% but doing heavy manual labor and they talk about making claims of issues they don’t have for more money. Obviously you get a bad injury you get something, but it seems like it’s turned into another racket for people similar to how people treat welfare.

    There’s a financial channel on YouTube and every guest who’s a vet is “100%” disabled but most were POGs

    How do y’all feel about all the disability stuff?
     
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    The system is extremely "YMMV" as far as I can tell-- really depends on the person that sees you at the VA. I know a guy that broke a bone in his hand and got a 100% rating, another that broke a finger and got 60%, and I know people that are almost completely broken (back, hips, knees, shoulders) with 0-20% ratings.

    I got 20% for hearing, back, and broken bones in my feet (really got off pretty light for injuries, honestly for being in the infantry) and I've had several people tell me that I could easily get more and there are very few things that I care less about, personally. If there wasn't a pipeline to get guys to the VA on EAS I probably wouldn't have a rating, and IMO the post-9/11 GI bill is an insane benefit. Most of my problems can be handled with stretching and a chiropractor. I think I've got more than enough and the process was pretty seamless in my situation. However, I know some old guys that had to fight for years and years to get anything after they got F'd up pretty bad. I'm happy for people that genuinely need it to get help, but the shitbag whiners will always milk the system. I don't know what you do about it.
     
    I would be more worred about hood rats on section 8 getting free rent and $3,000 a month EBT, you can see them doing EBT hauls on you tube and tic tok. edit to add hood rats also get free phones, free internet and few other free shit that no vet gets.
     
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    Yeah, but OP, go talk to any ground combat guy and they will tell you how hard it is to get the VA to recognize anything. Only about 20 percent of those guys actually have an easy time. The rest have to fight like hell for it.

    And the VA actively tries to fuck you over.

    I went in for my initial evaluation right as I got out and the doc pressed and prodded my knees and looked me dead in the eyes and said, "Your knees are COMPLETELY shot."

    At 26 years old.

    And immediately rated me at 0% because I could still move around. Didn't ask me if it hurt, which it sure as hell did. Just asked me if I could move. I said yes. He fucked me.
     
    I have a neighbor who is on 100% disability. He had the city paint handicap parking in front of his apartment building so he would have a designated parking spot.

    He works under his vehicles all the time in the rear garage and rides his bicycle all the time looking athletic for his age.
     
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    And immediately rated me at 0% because I could still move around. Didn't ask me if it hurt, which is sure as hell did. Just asked me if I could move. I said yes. He fucked me.
    And that’s why some states have state VA reps that process your claim and ensure you get what you rightfully deserve.
     
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    The system is extremely "YMMV" as far as I can tell-- really depends on the person that sees you at the VA. I know a guy that broke a bone in his hand and got a 100% rating, another that broke a finger and got 60%, and I know people that are almost completely broken (back, hips, knees, shoulders) with 0-20% ratings.

    I got 20% for hearing, back, and broken bones in my feet (really got off pretty light for injuries, honestly for being in the infantry) and I've had several people tell me that I could easily get more and there are very few things that I care less about, personally. If there wasn't a pipeline to get guys to the VA on EAS I probably wouldn't have a rating, and IMO the post-9/11 GI bill is an insane benefit. Most of my problems can be handled with stretching and a chiropractor. I think I've got more than enough and the process was pretty seamless in my situation. However, I know some old guys that had to fight for years and years to get anything after they got F'd up pretty bad. I'm happy for people that genuinely need it to get help, but the shitbag whiners will always milk the system. I don't know what you do about it.
    I don’t think you’re saying anything to me to preface this.

    Don’t get me wrong guys that get blown up or have other life changing injuries definitely deserve help, the fingers and shit are insane.
     
    Yeah, but OP, go talk to any ground combat guy and they will tell you how hard it is to get the VA to recognize anything. Only about 20 percent of those guys actually have an easy time. The rest have to fight like hell for it.

    And the VA actively tries to fuck you over.

    I went in for my initial evaluation right as I got out and the doc pressed and prodded my knees and looked me dead in the eyes and said, "Your knees are COMPLETELY shot."

    At 26 years old.

    And immediately rated me at 0% because I could still move around. Didn't ask me if it hurt, which it sure as hell did. Just asked me if I could move. I said yes. He fucked me.
    That’s part of the problem I’ve worked with guys who’ve been shot multiple times at close range and blown uo, but the guy who fell acting retarded gets thousands a month for life.
     
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    I know people that are almost completely broken
    What is odd about the VA & spinal stuff is unless you have Ankylosis the most you’ll get is 10%. Thing is a person can have all kinds of shit wrong with their spine that makes life damn near unbearable but not have ankylosis.

    Ask any Aviator who wore a CVC helmet all the time how much fun cervical spinal shit is.
     
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    I’m literally surrounded by “100% disabled” dudes — one is a BJJ instructor at a local gym. Another is an active firefighter. Another has a gardening obsession. Another has a small landscaping business.

    I stopped thinking about it years ago.
     
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    I keep seeing videos where people teach Vets how to get more disability, how is this open fraud tolerated? People get pissed off at government spending but every cook and supply guy has 100% disability. I’ve worked with guys claiming 100% but doing heavy manual labor and they talk about making claims of issues they don’t have for more money. Obviously you get a bad injury you get something, but it seems like it’s turned into another racket for people similar to how people treat welfare.

    There’s a financial channel on YouTube and every guest who’s a vet is “100%” disabled but most were POGs

    How do y’all feel about all the disability stuff?

    Man, I get irritated about a lot of disability claims.

    I myself am 100%. It is for my back, knees, shoulders, ankle and wrist. I had 7 surgeries while I was in. That pales in comparison to some of my friends who are missing body parts etc... I am blessed, but there were 932 pages in my medical record when I hung it up.

    You also USED to (probably still do) get 50% for sleep apnea and PTSD. Those are the two biggest abuses in the VA as far as a disability rating IMO. The PTSD thing gets me... not because some don't deserve it, but because so many claim it and beat the system. Many young men claim this because you can fake it 'til you make it if you've done a single combat deployment. That's "combat deployment" too... not "I was in combat". Big difference.

    ^ There's a 75 year old man who comes into my wife's clinic and gets 50% disability for PTSD from his one deployment in 'Nam. His deployment? ... On an aircraft carrier miles off the coast the entire time. Man, that gripes my butt. He won't shut up about it either.

    Sexual assault-related PTSD is off the charts for females. Again, no proof is actually needed, and 80% were reported and the victim couldn't remember exactly where and when, and who... but it happened. That is the whole Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court allegations thing again... but there is no Brett Kavanaugh, just a "victim", story and no witnesses to corroborate. There are also a large number of reports where the victim chose to leave out all of that information (they do actually have that option). ***This is not to take away from the actual cases... even one is one too many.

    ^ However, with a SA report comes a guarantee of 50% disability if PTSD is claimed. The women know that, and it is abused more than pregnancy to get out of a deployment. * Maybe some of this has changed in the last 7 years? Up until 2018, that was the standard though.

    Dudes usually start requesting sleep studies to get that 50% for sleep apnea.

    My M-I-L got 50% for a hysterectomy. She's 100% total too... and did all of one deployment to New Orleans for Katrina relief (She was USPHS).

    Been around long enough that I can share pages of examples of questionable ratings, but I'll cut it short with a 'that ain't right'.

    There are a lot of VA Facebook groups where coaching is done. I don't agree with it.

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    So am I going to scrutinize every veteran with a second paycheck? No. I'll bet good money that the financial burden on the U.S. taxpayer from some questionable VA claims is a tiny little drop in the bucket compared to welfare, social security, and citizenship frauds... not together, but each individually. That's where the focus should go first. Then we can hunt down dudes on the golf course and revisit their claim paperwork.
     
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    I don’t think you’re saying anything to me to preface this.

    I don't follow?

    I guess a more direct statement to the question in the OP is that I think it's extremely sleezy to chase disability rating by lying or faking injury or implying it's worse than it is (especially if a fucken YT video gives you the bright idea...). Also understand that the system at a baseline is a shotgun pattern of results for similar levels of injury.