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Those of you who dislike endless war...………..

308pirate

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    Should be pleased with our President
    www.foxnews.com

    Trump pulls back troops from northern Syria ahead of Turkish assault, Pentagon officials 'blindsided'

    The White House announced late Sunday that Turkey will soon move forward with a planned military operation in northeast Syria, as U.S. troops who have been deployed and operating with Kurdish-led forces in the area began pulling back from their positions.
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    Trump vociferously defended the decision in a string of tweets early Monday morning, saying the ISIS "Caliphate" has been defeated and lamenting that the U.S. was in the region years longer than planned. Reprising the rhetoric on foreign wars he has often used on the campaign trail, he described the fight as a regional conflict for Turkey and other countries to wage -- not America's problem.

    "The United States was supposed to be in Syria for 30 days, that was many years ago. We stayed and got deeper and deeper into battle with no aim in sight. When I arrived in Washington, ISIS was running rampant in the area. We quickly defeated 100% of the ISIS Caliphate," he said.

    As for the Kurds, he tweeted: "The Kurds fought with us, but were paid massive amounts of money and equipment to do so. They have been fighting Turkey for decades. I held off this fight for ... almost 3 years, but it is time for us to get out of these ridiculous Endless Wars, many of them tribal, and bring our soldiers home. WE WILL FIGHT WHERE IT IS TO OUR BENEFIT, AND ONLY FIGHT TO WIN. Turkey, Europe, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Russia and the Kurds will now have to ... figure the situation out, and what they want to do with the captured ISIS fighters in their 'neighborhood.'"
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    Mr President gets it...……….


    Predictably, the chickenhaws are squawking
    Speaking on "Fox & Friends" Monday morning, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., called it an "impulsive decision" by Trump that would undo U.S. gains in the region and give ISIS fighters a "second lease on life."

    He tweeted: "If press reports are accurate this is a disaster in the making."
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    Lindsey, you're a moron and I can't wait for the day that a real patriot from South Carolina sends your ass packing.

    I fully expect a litany of Democrat idiots lining up to criticize the President's decision and thus show their hypocrisy yet again.
     
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    308pirate said:
    Should be pleased with our President
    www.foxnews.com

    Trump pulls back troops from northern Syria ahead of Turkish assault, Pentagon officials 'blindsided'

    The White House announced late Sunday that Turkey will soon move forward with a planned military operation in northeast Syria, as U.S. troops who have been deployed and operating with Kurdish-led forces in the area began pulling back from their positions.
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    Mr President gets it...……….


    Predictably, the chickenhaws are squawking

    Lindsey, you're a moron and I can't wait for the day that a real patriot from South Carolina sends your ass packing.

    I fully expect a litany of Democrat idiots lining up to criticize the President's decision and thus show their hypocrisy yet again.
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    Especially since the Demokrats were opposed to going into that region to being with.
     
    I think this move is a master stroke. The mainstream news tonight should be fun, full of doomsaying pundits.
     
    www.cnn.com

    Nikki Haley says Trump's Syria decision means leaving US allies 'to die'

    Nikki Haley, President Donald Trump's former ambassador to the United Nations, issued stinging criticism of her former boss on Monday, saying Trump's decision to remove US troops from northern Syria as Turkey plans a military offensive in the region means the US is leaving Kurdish allies "to die."
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    Hi Nikki, all alliances have to come to an end when they're no longer mutually beneficial
     
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    You've lived to see the days when the Left is pro war, and most of the right is rejecting war-hawk fuckery from the McCain-ish neo cons.

    What a fucking amazing time to be alive.
     
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    308pirate said:
    www.cnn.com

    Nikki Haley says Trump's Syria decision means leaving US allies 'to die'

    Nikki Haley, President Donald Trump's former ambassador to the United Nations, issued stinging criticism of her former boss on Monday, saying Trump's decision to remove US troops from northern Syria as Turkey plans a military offensive in the region means the US is leaving Kurdish allies "to die."
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    Hi Nikki, all alliances have to come to an end when they're no longer mutually beneficial
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    Oy vey, how dare you!
     
    TheMammoth said:
    You've lived to see the days when the Left is pro war, and most of the right is rejecting war-hawk fuckery from the McCain-ish neo cons.

    What a fucking amazing time to be alive.
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    I wonder what that fucktard Billy Kristol is thinking right now. Another chickenhawk asshole who never saw a middle east entanglement he didn't like: Charles Krauthammer.
     
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    "Managing the peace process": code words for endless war

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    Gen. Jack Keane: Trump's Syria withdrawal is a 'betrayal' and would be a 'strategic blunder'

    As President Trump prepares to draw down U.S. troops from northeastern Syria to extricate America from what he called "endless wars," Gen. Jack Keane said the move is a "betrayal" of the Kurdish people, and strongly advised against it, on "Fox & Friends" Monday.
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    Keane claimed he sympathized with Trump's desire to remove America from "endless wars" but said it's more important to remain vigilant in managing the peace process, rather than walk away and risk complete collapse.
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    I would like to propose to all those who oppose Trump removing our troops from Syria a solution. They should quit their big $$$ jobs in Congress and the Media, and immediately offer to replace those troops with themselves. Congress should authorize the DOD to arm them and give them a lift to the Kurdish area of Syria, drop them off and let them have at it.
     
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    FS1 said:
    I would like to propose to all those who oppose Trump removing our troops from Syria a solution. They should quit their big $$$ jobs in Congress and the Media, and immediately offer to replace those troops with themselves. Congress should authorize the DOD to arm them and give them a lift to the Kurdish area of Syria, drop them off and let them have at it.
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    Yep.

    Lots of "warriors" with no skin in the game.

    ........well excepting their Raytheon kickbacks skin.
     
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    excepting their Raytheon kickbacks skin.
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    "What do you mean you don't want your kids dying in the armpit of the universe anymore? Don't you know what will happen to my STONKS?"
     
    The Kurds are pretty good folks by and large. We should leave them lots of fun toys when we leave. That is what I would advocate.
     
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    The Kurds are pretty good folks by and large. We should leave them lots of fun toys when we leave. That is what I would advocate.
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    I am sure we did. We also likely trained them very well too.
     
    MK20 said:
    The Kurds are pretty good folks by and large. We should leave them lots of fun toys when we leave. That is what I would advocate.
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    I'm sure that's in the works
     
    I had some friends with the Kurds up outside of Irbil. We really didn’t give them that much help in the way of arms.

    They used to ask the Kurds how much armaments they had and invariably their response was “We have sufficient for our needs.”
    Because they knew that the US would not let them have any more than the bare necessity.
     
    There comes a time when these countries must stand on their own 2 feet. They cant piggyback on the US until the end of time. Everybody talks shit on the US until they want money and protection. Fuck that.
     
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    "What do you mean you don't want your kids dying in the armpit of the universe anymore? Don't you know what will happen to my STONKS?"
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    If we had a draft and "Jim and Betty Oblivious" actually had concern that their offspring "Muffy" and "Garrison" might actually get drafted and be sent to war, our wars would last about two weeks and the rules of engagement would be "kill any mother fucker in whatever way necessary as quickly as possible, collateral damage be damned"......ensuring "Muffy" and "Garrison" never go in harms way.

    Raytheon would have about two weeks to collect their load and as the dust settled the survivors would be saying "No Mas, Inshallah, No Mas, please!"
     
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    pmclaine said:
    If we had a draft and "Jim and Betty Oblivious" actually had concern that their offspring "Muffy" and "Garrison" might actually get drafted and be sent to war, our wars would last about two weeks and the rules of engagement would be "kill any mother fucker in whatever way necessary as quickly as possible, collateral damage be damned"......ensuring "Muffy" and "Garrison" never go in harms way.

    Raytheon would have about two weeks to collect their load and as the dust settled the survivors would be saying "No Mas, Inshallah, No Mas, please!"
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    Back in the early 2000's when the whole 9/11/Iraqi Freedom was going, there was some small talk floating around about a draft. My friends mom immediately went and enrolled him in a community college for protection. He was happy again.
     
    308220 said:
    Back in the early 2000's when the whole 9/11/Iraqi Freedom was going, there was some small talk floating around about a draft. My friends mom immediately went and enrolled him in a community college for protection. He was happy again.
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    In my draft college gives you preference for getting called up.

    1990 I was out of the USMC about a month, all signed up for classes, in fact on my third day of college, when I got a "Western Union" letter/set of orders calling me back to active duty from the IRR.

    I was lucky because I had only been out of service one month. I was still shitting Quantico chow hall.

    Other guys had been out 3 years 350 days.

    Very few of us were called up but for those that were pulled from civilian hood to active duty it caught their attention and focused their families minds on what was happening in the middle east.

    My sisters immediate reactions was "What the fuck, you did your time, they should nuke that mother fucker and not send one soldier".

    I didnt correct her on my being a Marine her sudden war support was appreciated.

    Unless we are going peer to peer (and if we were we would have other problems to deal with) we would never actually need a "draft" but still any time there is war the draft should be called just to get skin in the game from the broader population.

    Neither party wants this to happen though because military service is an educating experience and the communists want you dumb. Likewise the conservatives resist it because they would not be able to play on the fears of the people to force graft and corruption into lining their pockets.
     
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    In my draft college gives you preference for getting called up.

    1990 I was out of the USMC about a month, all signed up for classes, in fact on my third day of college, when I got a "Western Union" letter/set of orders calling me back to active duty from the IRR.

    I was lucky because I had only been out of service one month. I was still shitting Quantico chow hall.

    Other guys had been out 3 years 350 days.

    Very few of us were called up but for those that were pulled from civilian hood to active duty it caught their attention and focused their families minds on what was happening in the middle east.

    My sisters immediate reactions was "What the fuck, you did your time, they should nuke that mother fucker and not send one soldier".

    I didnt correct her on my being a Marine her sudden war support was appreciated.

    Unless we are going peer to peer (and if we were we would have other problems to deal with) we would never actually need a "draft" but still any time there is war the draft should be called just to get skin in the game from the broader population.

    Neither party wants this to happen though because military service is an educating experience and the communists want you dumb. Likewise the conservatives resist it because they would not be able to play on the fears of the people to force graft and corruption into lining their pockets.
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    As an add to this......


    A draft would almost ensure that the powers seeking war define a strategy.

    Since WWII our government has neither declared war nor defines a strategy.

    You can bet your ass when "Mr and Mrs Oblivious" (more likely MR and MR Oblivious) show up and demand to know what is the goal of having "Garrison" get drafted the politicians will be forced to declare the war on the record and they will be forced to actually define a strategy that provides clear cut measures of goals that once reached would trigger "Garrisons" return to civilian life.

    If "Mr and Mr Oblivious" thought "Garrison" would be drafted for a "War on Terror", in other words and unachievable goal, they would never agree to the war in the first place.

    Politicians currently kill warriors without accountability.
     
    Im not a supporter of the draft. I think it pulls a lot of people who DONT want to be there. Therefore, their will to fight isnt very high. Theyd rather hide. And in vietnam, it got a lot of good men killed. Id rather be fighting beside a guy who WANTS to be there.

    A draft should only be called if we are on the losing end of a war and we're going to throw the kitchen sink at them in a last ditch effort to win. Our 2A and military/national guard protects us here at home. If we dont have the "man power" to enter a war, maybe we should rethink our reasons for entering that war.

    Im not anti war. I believe we should defend our REAL (fuck turkey and the saudis) allies and protect our homeland at all costs. But I also dont believe in sending our men and women into usless wars to please politicians and keep certain regions in chaos. Mostly anything to do with the middle east. Let those fuckers sort it out themselves. They've been killing each other since the beginning of time. And no amount of US troops or money is going to stop it. It really is the "endless war". The only way Id ever support a full out war in the middle east is if the oil supply is being taken over. Oil is the lifeline of the world. Without it, millions would starve in very short notice.

    Im 100% conservative.
     
    MK20 said:
    The Kurds are pretty good folks by and large. We should leave them lots of fun toys when we leave. That is what I would advocate.
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    AND we will, we always do. We have yet, as a country, pulled out of a war zone, without leaving serious amounts of assets/$$$ behind. It's just the way our "war economy" works. Allies get toys and Corps. get tax $$$$.
    Mac:rolleyes:
     
    TheMammoth said:
    You've lived to see the days when the Left is pro war, and most of the right is rejecting war-hawk fuckery from the McCain-ish neo cons.

    What a fucking amazing time to be alive.
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    The left has no choice but to support US involvement in the world. They know the socialist project called Europe, which they point to as the model we should move towards, will all fall apart if those Europeans had to pay for their own defense. And neighboring Russia, the middle east, and North Africa, they're kind of screwed without US military commitments.

    If that were the case, you can expect the true price tag of free public transit, free health care, early retirement, world travel, etc. to turn the European dream into an absolute nightmare, and no longer a valid reference point that the Left can use to beat their opponents(Conservatives) with for being "backwards, primitive, regressive, selfish, uncaring," and "violent."
     
    Turkey is NATO, the Kurds are not. That is their misfortune

    I suspect Trump got an ultimatum from Turkey that the invasion was going down, period; thus putting Trump in the crux between committing an act of war against a NATO "ally", or stepping aside for the sake of American Troops on the ground. I strongly believe he made the only honorable choice; in the end, we can't afford to be putting our own troops on the line against a NATO ally as well as all the other hostiles on that ground. That's fratricide of the worst kind, committed with superior American weaponry obtained through NATO channels.

    This was Turkey's choice, playing the NATO card that calls them an ally when in fact they are anything but, and placing NATO accords in the path of their own "Allies".

    I'm for whatever solves this, but nothing solves this.

    Turkey has demonstrated unequivocally that their enrollment in NATO is fraudulent. Their only interest in the NATO accords is for their own selfish purposes, and the accords only exist as a means to exert pressure against the interests of their own "Allies" for their benefit only. IMHO, Turkey has no allies. They are, and always have been, smiling crocodiles.

    Now it's time to expel them from NATO, send them packing, and deal with them as the backstabbing enemies they have always been. Turn out the lights at the Airbases, and on the way out, drop maximum ordnance on those facilities, and on Erdogan's Palace. I hope he enjoys the fireworks; they're in his honor.

    Starting with that slime Erdogan.

    In the meantime, American troops in Syria are being removed from harm's way. I consider that a really good start toward handing Turkey it's ass for real.

    Greg
     
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    And US troops were just under Turkey's artillery fire.... Thankfully nobody was reported hurt.

    Hopefully this is the last straw and we can expel those assholes from NATO and help our true allies out there
     
    Greg Langelius * said:
    Turkey is NATO, the Kurds are not. That is their misfortune

    Greg
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    They are one of the greatest actors in terms of regional instability. When Islamic state first started, it was the Turks who sold their oil and upheld that movement out of fear that the Kurdish movement would get out of hand. They side with Iran when convenient, they side with the Palestinians almost 100% of the time, they side with Qatar when convenient, and every now and then with the Israel-Egypt-Jordan-Saudi-UAE alliance.

    Like almost every other power in the region, they have this vision of themselves restoring their great past of absolute rule over this part of the world and will befriend/betray whoever they have to in order to make that a reality. They're not good people lol, and yes, I agree, they should be kicked out of NATO ASAP.
     
    I was thinking exactly this. I can see a big vacuum in the area, with Putin very happy to step right in.
    He already has an alliance with Syria.
    Im not liking this at all
     
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