Tired of knee jerk reactive politics on firearms?

[TheGerman]

Me too.

Was thinking about how retarded it is, that when 1 person out of 250m+ does something stupid, the reactive measure is to try and punish everyone else. Yeah, fuck you, and fuck your plan.

So why not pick an issue the communists hold dear, and everytime they want to 'have a conversation' about their faggot fucking 'gun control' shit, we counter instantly with whatever topic we tie to it. Instead of countering them with facts we counter them with their same exact bullshit, because short of shooting people in the face, its the only way it'll be dropped.

This is a 2 tierd counter; first, its reactive bullshit to their reactive bullshit that they will now know and associate with what happens when they start up with the same tired bullshit again. It makes the argument not fucking worth it for them. Secondly, it changes the argument from 'ban something' to an argument fighting over 2 entirely seperate things and all the confusing bullshit that comes with it. Not only will it not be worth it, but you could also end up losing something over bringing it up as well as your argument becomes diluted because everyone is now fighting about 15 different things.


Them: Ban guns! We need more gun control!

Us: Lets repeal obamacame completely.



Them: OMG save the children! Ban guns!

Us: Let's get rid of welfare and child tax credits



Them: OMG OMG guns

Us: We're completely pulling out of NATO and the EU can fuck themselves



How is this not a thing?

 

[MtnCreek]

I don't debate leftists anymore. I don't have the patience for it and it was always a wasted effort. It's rare that I encounter a leftist in any circumstance that would result in discussing politics. When it does come up, I'll deflect. If that doesn't get the point across, I'll tell them that I almost hope they're successful, because I'm itching for a hard reset.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Over 70,000 computers got hacked last year, therefore we should ban computers.
Over 350,000 people were injured in Motor Vehicle Accidents last year alone, therefore we should ban Motor Vehicles.
Over 700,000 people died last year due to drug overdoses, therefore we should ban drugs.

Take it right to the extreme of:
There were more than 5,000 child abductions last year in the U.S. alone, therefore we should all ban children.

Like you said,,,, use their logic against them.

 

[candyx]

That's what they want is for you to debate them using their logic and only their logic. I tell them to bend over so I can insert my logic into their thinking.

 

[pmclaine]

Those points you make are not a thing because the party supposed to be in opposition is not really in opposition.

On other things a woman at a Beto town hall read him the riot act the other night using good sense in her argument. She got kicked out because there was no sane rebuttal. It won't be seen on the news unless you watch OAN, might be on the net somewhere.

 

[Mr_Happyface]

So why not pick an issue the communists hold dear, and everytime they want to 'have a conversation' about their faggot fucking 'gun control' shit, we counter instantly with whatever topic we tie to it.

Because they control the narrative. They have a strangle hold on the news, social media, and Hollywood. AND they're better organized / dedicated.

Nothing knee-jerk about any of this.

All part of the 'plan'

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

It basically boils down to the fact that liberty means personal responsibility, and modern Americans don't want to exercise individual accountability in any regard if they can help it. Many people do not hold liberty as the highest political virtue, and that is shameful. When I have to talk to folks like that I just let it flop and basically call them a faggot with my eyes, then continue with whatever the fuck I was doing/talking about. It's like an unspoken signal that whatever I believe I certainly don't give enough of a fuck about what they think to discuss it, and I have shit to do so fuck off.

 

[TheGerman]

Because they control the narrative. They have a strangle hold on the news, social media, and Hollywood. AND they're better organized / dedicated.

Nothing knee-jerk about any of this.

All part of the 'plan'

Right, so instead of a fight over facts and their bullshit, turn it into something that they know that if they bring it up, we're pushing for other shit.

Literally the most basic Pavlovesque counter to this that there can be. They don't care about facts, so don't fight with facts. Have them associate gun control bullshit with now having to fight about something totally different; in that they lose their message and are no longer on the offensive. They see it as a win/sort of win prospect. If they saw it as a win/lose propesct, shit would change and they would not be motivated to keep bringing it up.

You don't fight an enemy head on when they started the assault. You either delay them and counter in a weak/over extended position, or you start your own counteroffensive at a different area and encircle them.

 

[Spblademaker]

Over 70,000 computers got hacked last year, therefore we should ban computers.
Over 350,000 people were injured in Motor Vehicle Accidents last year alone, therefore we should ban Motor Vehicles.
Over 700,000 people died last year due to drug overdoses, therefore we should ban drugs.

Take it right to the extreme of:
There were more than 5,000 child abductions last year in the U.S. alone, therefore we should all ban children.

Like you said,,,, use their logic against them.

I’m 100% with you on banning children.

 

[kenny1773]

Its a good theory, but in practice will never work and here is why

Leftist mindset = total insanity, and you are still trying to make a logical argument.


I have a good friend who wears his maga hat every chance he gets. His wife is an extreme liberal and very vocal, they fight non-stop (they don't get divorced because of their kids, but I am sure they will soon)

Talking to his wife is the most frustrating thing I have ever experienced in communicating with another human being.

Simply trying to point out that a gun cannot kill a person on it's own, the gun requires someone to aim it and pull the trigger, she does not agree. Guns kill end of story in leftist looney world

She feels gun ownership and supporting gun rights is the SAME EXACT THING as killing a child with a gun yourself. So you own a gun or speak up for gun rights, you are immediately a child murderer in leftist looney world

Flip that child murder argument to abortion, and she says that is about her rights to control her body and is NOT murdering a child and has nothing to do with children, again in leftist looney world.

I mean, lol, you can't have a conversation with someone that knows everything and believes they are 100% right all the time.

Their brains are not logical (or functional) for the most part. They repeat surface level sound bytes without any in-depth understanding of anything.

Comparing leftist to people in a cult is exactly the right analogy. No one in a cult entertains an idea outside of the cult under any circumstances.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

^^^^^ my point exactly.

There ain't no brains, there ain't no logic, there ain't no 'thought' involved. Just simply knee-jerk reactions and the repetition of what they've been told to think/say. Therefore, we should ban all children to prevent child trafficking.

Ban all vehicles to prevent anyone from being injured in an accident.

Processed food is bad for you, so ban all food processors.

This is how they think, this is how they work, and this is how they "demand change". Next thing you know, islands in the Pacific are going to tip over.


See what I did there?

 

[Rthur]

We being only us.
They being them and the media and over 50% of the government local and fed.
Add in NGOs seemingly endless financial resources.

R

 

[pmclaine]

Newtown Woman Goes Off on Beto and His Gun Control Proposals: 'The Democrats Have Failed!'

townhall.com

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Abortion, and photos and in-depth descriptions of abortions. Tends to redpill some motherfuckers quickly...

 

[rhsc]

Key on abortion deaths. It's something of deep value to the leftists. Tell them if they really want to save lives, then abortion-on-demand needs to be severely restricted nationwide. Remind them that in the United States, abortions annually take more lives than all types of gun deaths combined by a factor of somewhere between 15 to 1 and 20 to 1. And those are conservative numbers. When they start to scream their objections, calmly remind them how abortion also disproportionately takes the lives of black/minority children. Throw the racism crap back in their faces.

But kenny1773 is right; the left in this country is practically immune to reason, logic or any type of rational argument. It's almost as if we're living in two distinctly different realities. There is almost no common ground between us any more.

What we need is a divorce. They can have their country and we will have ours.

 

[DustBun]

First, I can not stand when that piece of shit Francis says "...my fellow Americans..." He is no fellow of mine. Francis, do not flatter yourself by comparing yourself to the true Americans.

Anything else Francis says doesn't bother me. What pisses me off are all the stupid lemmings and sheeples that applaud him and agree. They are the problem.

Edit: Missed a word, added "bother" in the second line.

 

[kenny1773]

They can have their country and we will have ours.

I would be willing to donate to a go fund me that would fund leftists to move to any European socialist shit hole they want to move to that more meets with their ideals.

You are scared of guns? Great we have a plan for you, a nice flat in London, here is a plane ticket.

There aren't enough gay rights for you in the US, well we got a plan for that to, here is a one way ticket to Canada, you will feel welcome.

The US is too racist for you? well ok, we got a ticket to send you to New Zealand, as a bonus you won't have guns to deal with either, buh-bye you won't be missed.

In the long run it would be more cost effective and less frustrating to sane rational people to just help the leftists relocate to a more suitable environment instead of ruining our freedoms to meet their needs.


A fun argument to have with leftists is that it would be much easier for them to find their utopia if they leave the US and find a country that already has a huge head start on the ideal of their choice. These best fit country is easy to find with a google search.

It does start some interesting arguments that are more reality based than any other argument

I get replies like no YOU should leave, to which I like to reply, great please show me a country that fits my needs to include SHALL NOT INFRINGE on guns?? Its easier for you to move as many places aroudn the globe have adopted the socialist bullshit you yearn for, the US is the only place that fits my needs and you are ruining it.

so maybe that is it? when they start up gun control talks, start up talking about them moving to the UK?

 

[TACC]

Or better yet, Canada or Mexico

 

[Bigfatcock]

I’d move to Mexico. I banged a bunch skanks there when I was a teenager.

 

[10ring'r]

It's simple for me, every time I hear a Dem speak or see them open their mouths, all I see is a commie F. I feel threatened in my own F'n country, with all the stupid shit they spew. People better wise the F up or we are going to be in for a rough mission. WISE UP PEOPLE! Mac

 

[MtnCreek]

I’d move to Mexico. I banged a bunch skanks there when I was a teenager.

Plus they're bound to be running out of mexicans by now. Might have the place to myself.

 

[Snipe260]

Its a good theory, but in practice will never work and here is why

Leftist mindset = total insanity, and you are still trying to make a logical argument.


I have a good friend who wears his maga hat every chance he gets. His wife is an extreme liberal and very vocal, they fight non-stop (they don't get divorced because of their kids, but I am sure they will soon)

Talking to his wife is the most frustrating thing I have ever experienced in communicating with another human being.

Simply trying to point out that a gun cannot kill a person on it's own, the gun requires someone to aim it and pull the trigger, she does not agree. Guns kill end of story in leftist looney world

She feels gun ownership and supporting gun rights is the SAME EXACT THING as killing a child with a gun yourself. So you own a gun or speak up for gun rights, you are immediately a child murderer in leftist looney world

Flip that child murder argument to abortion, and she says that is about her rights to control her body and is NOT murdering a child and has nothing to do with children, again in leftist looney world.

I mean, lol, you can't have a conversation with someone that knows everything and believes they are 100% right all the time.

Their brains are not logical (or functional) for the most part. They repeat surface level sound bytes without any in-depth understanding of anything.

Comparing leftist to people in a cult is exactly the right analogy. No one in a cult entertains an idea outside of the cult under any circumstances.

I could never lay down with a leftist cunt!

 

[Snipe260]

I’d move to Mexico. I banged a bunch skanks there when I was a teenager.

Have you been checked lately? I’m really concerned for you???

 

[Bigfatcock]

Have you been checked lately? I’m really concerned for you???

Yep. Still clean as a whistle. I swear I should be sponsored by Trojan.

 

[Snipe260]

Yep. Still clean as a whistle. I swear I should be sponsored by Trojan.

Lmao!

 

[pmclaine]

Key on abortion deaths. It's something of deep value to the leftists. Tell them if they really want to save lives, then abortion-on-demand needs to be severely restricted nationwide. Remind them that in the United States, abortions annually take more lives than all types of gun deaths combined by a factor of somewhere between 15 to 1 and 20 to 1. And those are conservative numbers. When they start to scream their objections, calmly remind them how abortion also disproportionately takes the lives of black/minority children. Throw the racism crap back in their faces.

But kenny1773 is right; the left in this country is practically immune to reason, logic or any type of rational argument. It's almost as if we're living in two distinctly different realities. There is almost no common ground between us any more.

What we need is a divorce. They can have their country and we will have ours.

But if we don't have abortions the replacement rate for native born would preclude the need to import more people and they won't be able to fundamentally change the culture of the country

 

[rhsc]

But if we don't have abortions the replacement rate for native born would preclude the need to import more people and they won't be able to fundamentally change the culture of the country

They still would have tried, but their goal would probably have been much more difficult to achieve.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

I don't know female anatomy and I don't care to. Yall wanna kill your unborn kids go right ahead, weed that shit outta the gene pool if you feel so inclined. Everyone else thinks it's so goddamn terrible, and it is, but death is not the worst thing in this world.

 

[forrestgump01]

I’m 100% with you on banning children.

might be better to just bring back child slave labor, little bastards need to pay their fair share of taxes !

 

[Strykervet]

German, I've been thinking about just this for a while now. Turning the tables. Because it seemed when (pick a group of victims) had something to fight for, they weren't fighting against us.

Not that I have anything against what others do, I'm tolerant, but when my tolerance is confused with weakness, I can be a complete selfish asshole.

On the other hand, maybe we all need to just shut up and let Darwin take over. Just like flightless birds didn't fare too well against dogs, rodents and cricket bats, these SJW communist motherfuckers won't fare too well against M855 and M8 API. I mean, most of us that are entrenched are already there, not giving 'em up, period, full stop. So what's the worry? A few feminazis, fags, trannies and commies whining about what an active, armed and vested population are up to?

If you can't oppress and bring to heel the most placid and serene potheads using the latest military technology, maybe you oughta just sit this one out because I don't think it'll go too well and it won't take 75 years either. Count me out of the buyback too, because I doubt the county has been saving enough to buy me out if there's more than a few of us anyway --and govt. won't be getting any buddy deals, nope, tax, interest, all that shit. Just like they do when they fuck me over. Oh, and they're gonna have to fill out a lot of papers and there's gonna be background checks and arbitrary wait periods... None of this is gonna happen overnight.

You wanna buy me out? You wanna buy out the other million+ owners like me? You wanna buy out the 2A? That's gonna be single largest transfer of wealth in the history of wealth and history IF it's to go down peacefully. Just sayin'.

 

[EddieNFL]

I’m 100% with you on banning children.

Only if the ban is retroactive. Say, 26 MAR 1940.