Tornado & Fire Drills Now Shooting Drills?

[RWSGunsmithing]

Why not? They already have tornado and fire drills.

I'm willing to bet there has been more life lost at school because of shootings than fire or tornado.

So I don't know about all the other parents out there but with last shooting at the CT school I'm gonna start talking and running some drills with my kids on what to do if they hear gun fire at school or any place for that matter that's not a range.

They have fire and tornado alarms as well do we need to add a shooting alarm as well?

 

[Early Cuyler]

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I remember after Columbine we had to do lockdown drills where everyone went to a classroom, locked their doors, moved away from the doors, and kept quiet.

 

[aur0ra145]

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We had shooting drills/protocols when I was in school. That would have been around 2003+ It was only in my high school we ever did any drills. I'll have to ask my younger sister if they did any in the middle schools or not.

 

[RWSGunsmithing]

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Really!?

Wow I guess small town manning had better start looking into it since other schools are doing it.

 

[aur0ra145]

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Note, I attended a large high school. We're talking 2500 kids on campus. And our principle was a Navy fighter pilot, the head AP was a nuke silo officer.

 

[sgtkeebler]

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Back around 2000-2001 The school district i went to began doing lock down drills for intruders/active shooter type events, I don't know if they did it at the elementary schools, but try did them for Jr. And High school. It was a good sized district though we had 5 High schools.

 

[Cserv]

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Not a bad idea. I know my hospital now has an overhead code and p&p for an active shooter. If they don't have security, they should atleast know how to lockdown and rideout a situation.
And good thinking on educating your own.

 

[emn83]

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We have practice lockdown drills at both schools I have worked at. One problem with them, as the CT incident seems to point out, is that they create stationary targets. Some of the reports I've seen said that they did indeed initiate a lockdown at the school, ushering kids into rooms and such. The shooter still got into 1 maybe 2 classrooms. This is why there needs to be a way to actually stop active shooters, not just hide and hope they don't break into the room you're in

 

[athhud]

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Can anyone explain to me the logic behind piling kids into a corner? That seems to be standard procedure for the majority of lockdown drills that I've heard about.... Seems bass fuggin ackwards to me.

 

[Ninja]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: emn83</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...This is why there needs to be a way to actually stop active shooters, not just hide and hope they don't break into the room you're in</div></div>

The Principal should have been armed when she attempted to stop the CT shooter - might have had a better chance. Commercial Pilots carry.

 

[emn83]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can anyone explain to me the logic behind piling kids into a corner? That seems to be standard procedure for the majority of lockdown drills that I've heard about.... Seems bass fuggin ackwards to me. </div></div>


seems like an even worse idea when you're in a drill, and the kindergartner with autism starts screaming......

 

[emn83]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ninja</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: emn83</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...This is why there needs to be a way to actually stop active shooters, not just hide and hope they don't break into the room you're in</div></div>

The Principal should have been armed when she attempted to stop the CT shooter - might have had a better chance. Commercial Pilots carry. </div></div>

That's my view....but it's not popular to say the least....so I keep my mouth shut at work

 

[Outdoorsman9]

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There are some schools that already practice lockdowns and "code red" situations

 

[Nathaniel4545]

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We did lockdown drills as well! The doors closed and locked automatically and we would try and go o the safest spot in the room we were in. I think training of all sorts needs to be looked at!

 

[High Binder]

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I'm all for not scaring kids/people by over-reacting (all too common) but what about in-class panic rooms or turn the whole classroom into a locked down panic room. I know I'd feel better knowing my kids were in a class-room where a teacher only had to push a button to lock down the whole school.

 

[athhud]

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The only problem I see with panic rooms (other than astronomical costs), is that one slip of a tongue can mistake a lock-down drill for a fire drill. That would get ugly quick.

It's hard for people to swallow, but these events are practically non-existent when you actually crunch the numbers. There is no reasonable way to justify the cost.

 

[Victor N TN]

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Where does everything go?

I still remember getting on the school bus with my 22 Marlin to go squirrel hunting after school with a friend. I kept it and the ammo stashed in my school locker (we didn't even lock our "lockers") all day and rode the bus to his farm after school. And the thing about it is this, that was the NORM. Everyone did it in the fall, winter and spring every year. Some of the older high school kids carried high powered rifles to hunt deer. Since I didn't have a big rifle like that, I did what I could.

WOW... How things have changed.

 

[RADcustom]

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Home school.

 

[athhud]

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I may be wrong, but I would have to believe that midday home invasions are far more frequent than school shootings. While that wouldn't be an issue for most of us here, home school wouldn't put the odds in the favor of everyone.

 

[RADcustom]

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I would think even the dumbest criminal looking for an easy target would look for a vacant house before breaking into an occupied home.

If you live in the type of neighborhood where that is not the case, then perhaps you should get a dog.

 

[athhud]

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Then the dog is more likely to kill your kid than a psychopath.... Statistically speaking, the dog would make it even worse! I'm not posing an argument. Just trying to make the point that school shootings are rare and should not be a sole factor for deciding to home school a child.

 

[KYpatriot]

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Homeschool your kids because you don't want them exposed to statist propaganda 8 hrs a day, not because of school shootings. Controlling the security environment is an added benefit.

For public schools, two options would greatly reduce the casualty count in an active shooter criminal assault.

One, arm the teachers. Give CCW the option to carry at school, or require a specific training class like commercial pilots, but as a nation we must STOP creating victim zones, known as "gun free" zones.

Second, each classroom needs a secure door with a deadbolt. Active shooters don't carry entry tools. This would give time and space to the teacher to prepare to defend.

Foolproof security is impossible. 99% security is prohibitively expensive, intrusive, and restrictive. The common sense measures I'm suggesting would stop most of the killing, at least with an active shooter.

These evil criminals are cowards...when they face resistance they usually blow their brains out or surrender. Let's help them make that decision sooner.

 

[emn83]

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Just had local LEO come the faculty meeting at my school......it was a total surprise to teachers that they could use deadly force to stop a threat....when asked what that meant, the Police Officer made a very oblique reference to arming teachers which was met with a lot of shock and a bunch of "I don't like that." He was not endorsing arming teachers, just stating that that was an option the district had, while explaining what was allowed as far as use of force....his reference was mainly to someone with a knife or bat or other non projectile weapon....still interesting though