I have a mint Ares 4.5-27 with the APLR3 reticle and new style turrets. It has been out to the range once and was mounted in Burris Signature rings. I had a TAC at one time and I greatly prefer the floating dot reticle over the Ares's cross and I have no need for illumination. I'm looking to trade for a like condition TAC with any floating dot reticle, MOA or MIL.