Trump in Helsinki: Did He Let Putin Eat His Lunch? Or Was This Just Recon?
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Putin played Trump like a fiddle.
Or rather, while Putin was playing chess, Trump was acting like a retarded kid with a wet noodle.
Kompromat? Probably.
BTW, I hate all politicians- so it's not a partisan thing .
I also can't stand delusional narcissism in a politician....regardless of your last name being Putin, Trump or Clinton.
Or rather, while Putin was playing chess, Trump was acting like a retarded kid with a wet noodle.
Kompromat? Probably.
BTW, I hate all politicians- so it's not a partisan thing .
I also can't stand delusional narcissism in a politician....regardless of your last name being Putin, Trump or Clinton.
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Dumbfucks...some of you. Perhaps you would prefer they go out and together polish the fins on them ICBM thingies so few idiots can have a hardon for some 30 minutes while they fly around and end us...
Some of you are being played, you have head up your ass and still think you smell roses and see stars and clouds....
Some of you are being played, you have head up your ass and still think you smell roses and see stars and clouds....
Putin has a lot of dirt on HRC......the only people who profit from the Russia v US / Russia v EU are the MIC and the Banks....
This is tied to BreExit / this is tied to the Fed / your financial enslavement / fake and endless war....
This is tied to BreExit / this is tied to the Fed / your financial enslavement / fake and endless war....
I have no idea if Trump got played. He seems so off-the-wall that we may never know. Trump is obviously an expert negotiator so it could be just part of the image he's showing vs the truth. Plus the media has only "statesmen" and other politicians to compare Trump to and he doesnt exactly fit into one of those categories.
There was no set agenda except to deescalate tensions and possibly send a message to the Democraps and the EU that Trump can see who he wants and when he wants. They seem to have succeeded on both accounts.
If I had to guess, most likely there was some private talk about issues each side feels is important.
I don't think there was a specific plan to make some big crazy announcement or such or push through some specific negotiation.
If I had to guess, most likely there was some private talk about issues each side feels is important.
I don't think there was a specific plan to make some big crazy announcement or such or push through some specific negotiation.
That would be my take. As far as the rest of the brain trust, you have no fucking clue. Admit it.
And just for shits n giggles, I found this for ya.
I think there's a significant difference between Trump and Putin or May or whomever in public versus behind closed doors. He seems to be doing a lot of winning for someone others think is easily played.
I think he got what he wanted and didn't need (like his predecessor) to spike the ball.
While I think his persona is a bit narcissistic I think in deals he gets what he wants and doesn't feel the need to denigrate who he just did the deal with.
Hell, he let Putin get away with a booster to raise his podium. (Serious little man syndrome there lol)
I think he got what he wanted and didn't need (like his predecessor) to spike the ball.
While I think his persona is a bit narcissistic I think in deals he gets what he wants and doesn't feel the need to denigrate who he just did the deal with.
Hell, he let Putin get away with a booster to raise his podium. (Serious little man syndrome there lol)
It's a lot simpler, he just went over there to get a World Cup ball for his son. Nothing else. Don't overthink it.
The fact Brennan (who is a total scumbag and caused more damage to our intelligence community than every mole, spy and traitor since Benedict Arnold)... had a total melt-down... Tells me this was a productive meeting.
And that Brennan and the Clintons and the DNC... are scared shitless.
Because if Trump an Putin get along... and Putin does a document dump... and/or Trump does one... they all fry.
The Democrat side of the swamp (and I daresay more than a few RINO's) are rearing up in what I hope are death throes...
The most telling thing about today... was Brennan's unscripted and terrified Twitter meltdown.... Love it!
Sirhr
And that Brennan and the Clintons and the DNC... are scared shitless.
Because if Trump an Putin get along... and Putin does a document dump... and/or Trump does one... they all fry.
The Democrat side of the swamp (and I daresay more than a few RINO's) are rearing up in what I hope are death throes...
The most telling thing about today... was Brennan's unscripted and terrified Twitter meltdown.... Love it!
Sirhr
I cant see Trump being taken to lunch by anyone. Not without sparks.
But Brennan sounds like a man who's cage is being rattled.
But Brennan sounds like a man who's cage is being rattled.
Nothing wrong with respect for your enemy. When respect is not present is when you need to worry and Obama scared the shit out of me in that regard........
There is an optical illusion about every person we meet.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Ralph Waldo Emerson
The fact the dems (Communists) are up in arms bothers me little.
More to discredit Trump is all.
Wasn't it Barry that told Medvedev he would be more flexible after the election in 2012?
Wasnt it Barry that told Romney the 80s want their policies back?
Russia only became an enemy of opportunity when it was needed as a means to foil Trump.
Everything in the Ukraine, Syria, Iraq and Iran occurred under Barrys watch and as a result of his weakness (support).
What happened in the Ukraine was a direct threat to Putin and our State dept was up to its ass in that, as well the EU.
The only thing Trump respects about Putin is that Putin will do whats best for Russia (and a big heaping of himself).
Everything that we accuse Russia of we ourselves are guilty of save for the novochok and shit like that - well you really cant count Arkanacide - thats different.
Trump wont be bending over for Putin nor will he be turning his back on him. Trump knows Putin might put a bullet in the back of anyone that does.
Trump has been handed a world order created by the previous admin. A lot of what he is expected to fix was made fait accompli when Obozo made red lines and than held pressers saying "I never meant that".
If Putin has dirt its on the Dems.
John Brennan calling Trump a traitor as he sweats his own neck in the coup plotter noose. Give me a break.
Sharac lets here your small world view of your slavic brother to the east.
Putin called out Soros today, perhaps playing to the Trump base but I say he realizes globalism is not a good thing. Not so much for how it may effect Russia but him personally it may cut into the cuts he gets from his gaggle of oligarchs.
Im thinking Vlad could buy Bill Gates but his hold is tenuous and subject to the whims of how he maintains his power. Not a nice guy but he goes for what he wants.
More to discredit Trump is all.
Wasn't it Barry that told Medvedev he would be more flexible after the election in 2012?
Wasnt it Barry that told Romney the 80s want their policies back?
Russia only became an enemy of opportunity when it was needed as a means to foil Trump.
Everything in the Ukraine, Syria, Iraq and Iran occurred under Barrys watch and as a result of his weakness (support).
What happened in the Ukraine was a direct threat to Putin and our State dept was up to its ass in that, as well the EU.
The only thing Trump respects about Putin is that Putin will do whats best for Russia (and a big heaping of himself).
Everything that we accuse Russia of we ourselves are guilty of save for the novochok and shit like that - well you really cant count Arkanacide - thats different.
Trump wont be bending over for Putin nor will he be turning his back on him. Trump knows Putin might put a bullet in the back of anyone that does.
Trump has been handed a world order created by the previous admin. A lot of what he is expected to fix was made fait accompli when Obozo made red lines and than held pressers saying "I never meant that".
If Putin has dirt its on the Dems.
John Brennan calling Trump a traitor as he sweats his own neck in the coup plotter noose. Give me a break.
Sharac lets here your small world view of your slavic brother to the east.
Putin called out Soros today, perhaps playing to the Trump base but I say he realizes globalism is not a good thing. Not so much for how it may effect Russia but him personally it may cut into the cuts he gets from his gaggle of oligarchs.
Im thinking Vlad could buy Bill Gates but his hold is tenuous and subject to the whims of how he maintains his power. Not a nice guy but he goes for what he wants.
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And regards the point Trump trusts Putin more than the intelligence services..........did you see Sztrocks testimony?
I found the interview with Putin to be very interesting....
"The Russian state has never and will never interfere with the internal affairs of the United States. However, everything that was stolen was true and the whole leadership of the Democratic party resigned. Is that not a good thing to tell the public the truth...but it wasn't the Russian state."
Putin is a fucking master...The Democrats and, most notably, the Clintons and the other swamp dwellers in charge of things now realize the gross mistake made by trying to put that FUCKING CUNT HRC into the Oval Office. They're shitting their freaking pants. Time for the trials to start.
If I were Trump, I would have kissed the son of a bitch.
"The Russian state has never and will never interfere with the internal affairs of the United States. However, everything that was stolen was true and the whole leadership of the Democratic party resigned. Is that not a good thing to tell the public the truth...but it wasn't the Russian state."
Putin is a fucking master...The Democrats and, most notably, the Clintons and the other swamp dwellers in charge of things now realize the gross mistake made by trying to put that FUCKING CUNT HRC into the Oval Office. They're shitting their freaking pants. Time for the trials to start.
If I were Trump, I would have kissed the son of a bitch.
The wink was masterful....
BTW, one of these days we're going to hear what 'really' happened to Seth Rich.
Oh and, funny, Assange is about to get sprung... which means trip to USA. Cooperating witness? Or Guantanamo?
Interesting times ahead... what happened to the left's Blue Wave and summer of Rage... Methinks they are too busy trying to hide in their parents basements right about now.
Brennan is in deep doo doo...
Sirhr
BTW, one of these days we're going to hear what 'really' happened to Seth Rich.
Oh and, funny, Assange is about to get sprung... which means trip to USA. Cooperating witness? Or Guantanamo?
Interesting times ahead... what happened to the left's Blue Wave and summer of Rage... Methinks they are too busy trying to hide in their parents basements right about now.
Brennan is in deep doo doo...
Sirhr
Yes Putin is not a man to trifle with.
Dont suck his cock either.
If the Russians are anything its that they are Patriotic.
Id imagine the ilk of the Clinton/DNC clan disgusted him to his soul for how they intended to destroy their own country.
Trump threw the gauntlet down on him today and the media did not recognize it or (more likely) they dont want to acknowledge it.
Trump told him he is going to challenge him on gas delivery to the idiotic EU.
Gasprom is one of Putins own personal sources of income and one of the steadiest producers.
A big part of the Ukraine was all about energy delivery and getting the EU by the balls.
Trump is a threat to him in this endeavor.
Still I guess Putin has some skewed principles.
Sure he will feed you a polonium hot shot in one instant but in the next he will knee cap you, at his expense, for failing to be loyal to the Motherland, actually I guess in both instances, in his mind, those specific events were one and the same.
I dont doubt that he would have been better off with Hillary giving away the keys to the country but even his disgust for her was so great he refused the easy profit.
When you look around trying to figure out who the mark is... it's probably you. I think a lot of the swamp have just figured this out and they are scared shitless. I'm waiting for folks to start falling out of 27th story windows, CO poisoning in their garage, and ND in their library.
Lots of Telenovela drama from the MSM and The Swamp...………..Yaaaaaawwwwwn
Lemme just drop this here. Co-Winky-Dink?
The Justice Department just charged a Russian national with trying to infiltrate the NRA
https://www.vox.com/2018/7/16/17577838/maria-butina-indictment-russia-spy-trump
The Justice Department just charged a Russian national with trying to infiltrate the NRA
https://www.vox.com/2018/7/16/17577838/maria-butina-indictment-russia-spy-trump
Well we sold a bunch of antitank missiles to the Ukrainians and a few months ago, and smoked about 300+ Russian Mercenaries 
in Syria. So tell me MSM how is Trump in cahoots with Putin? What we're seeing is MSM and Democrat despots doing the death wiggle as people want the facts and not feelings.
in Syria. So tell me MSM how is Trump in cahoots with Putin? What we're seeing is MSM and Democrat despots doing the death wiggle as people want the facts and not feelings.
David Brooks writes:
When C.S. Lewis was a boy, his mother died. “With my mother’s death,” he wrote, “all settled happiness, all that was tranquil and reliable, disappeared from my life. There was to be much fun, many pleasures, many stabs of Joy; but no more of the old security. It was sea and islands now; the great continent had sunk like Atlantis.”
It may seem melodramatic, but that passage comes to mind when I think of the death of America’s relationship with Europe, and Donald Trump’s betrayal Monday of the democratic values that were the basis for that relationship.
Europe is America’s mother continent. Our foundational institutions were inherited from Europe. Our democracy is Greek and British. Our universities are German. The etiquette book George Washington read to improve himself was translated from French, and so were Thomas Jefferson’s ideals.
Europe represented a path to progress; America saw itself embracing that path and surpassing it. After the revolution, as the historian Joseph Ellis has written, Americans were sure a new generation of Shakespeares, Dantes and Ciceros would arise on North American soil.
As a young adult nation, we took what Europe had and started democratizing it for our own purposes. The luxury hotel is a European palace turned into a commercial enterprise. Frederick Law Olmsted visited England in 1850, marveled at the gardens of the aristocracy, came back to America and turned what he saw into great public parks — Central Park, the U.S. Capitol grounds and many more.
Then as a mature nation, we became our parent’s partner. After World War II, a reforged, American-led West stabilized itself. There were fights and rivalries, but underneath, there was an unspoken awareness — these are our kin.
This trans-Atlantic partnership was a vast historical accomplishment, a stumbling and imperfect effort to extend democracy, extend rights, extend freedom and build a world ordered by justice and not force. Since 1945 it is the thing we have all taken for granted.
Over the weekend, Trump ripped the partnership to threads. He said the European Union is our “foe.” On Monday, Trump essentially sided with Vladimir Putin, who has become the biggest moral and political enemy of the Euro-American relationship. Trump essentially dropped a project that has oriented American culture and policy for centuries. He pointed us to a world in which the central ethos is that might makes right.
But remember, Donald Trump exists only to put a capstone on every poisonous trend that preceded him. It took many hands to kill the Euro-American bond.
Right-wing politicians and commentators began to use Europe as a stand-in for American liberals. It’s a bunch of godless socialists, just like those heretics in Berkeley and Cambridge. Euro-bashing became a unifying conservative trope.
Progressives fell into the poisonous trap of racialism. They looked at the glories of Aristotle, Shakespeare and Mozart, and the most interesting thing they had to say about them was that they were dead white males. Future historians will marvel at how sophisticated people willfully made themselves so simple-minded. Eurocentrism became a code word for colonialism, oppression and privilege, taking a piece of European history for the whole of it.
Europeans didn’t help. In the wake of the Cold War, they have dedicated themselves to a post-nationalist project that is too top-down and technocratic and is now crumbling.
The Euro-American political project is now nearing end times. George W. Bush feuded with Europe over the Iraq war. Barack Obama pivoted away. Now, as Robert Kagan writes in The Washington Post, Trump is taking a sledgehammer to the Atlantic alliance.
Trump could have gone to last week’s NATO summit and taken credit only for increased European military spending. Instead, he moved the goal posts, humiliated the Europeans, reasserted his trade war talk and made it impossible for European leaders to do anything that might seem to support him. These are the actions of a man who wants the alliance to fail.
His embrace of Putin Monday was a victory dance on the Euro-American tomb.
“This is not just another family quarrel,” Kagan writes. “The democratic alliance that has been the bedrock of the American-led liberal world order is unraveling. At some point, and probably sooner than we expect, the global peace that that alliance and that order undergirded will unravel, too. Despite our human desire to hope for the best, things will not be okay.”
Kagan was writing before Monday’s press conference, and now his core point is doubly true. If you thought we could ride the Trump storm and then return to normal, you can surely see now this view is mistaken. The fundamental arrangements of our world are being remade.
Today, Europe and America face common perils and common problems — including the rise of ravenous strongmen who want to remake the world order. We’ve lost the bonds that might enable us to fight them together. Worse, the wolves are not only in the henhouse; they are in the Executive Mansion.
Beware what happens when you walk away from your lineage.
When C.S. Lewis was a boy, his mother died. “With my mother’s death,” he wrote, “all settled happiness, all that was tranquil and reliable, disappeared from my life. There was to be much fun, many pleasures, many stabs of Joy; but no more of the old security. It was sea and islands now; the great continent had sunk like Atlantis.”
It may seem melodramatic, but that passage comes to mind when I think of the death of America’s relationship with Europe, and Donald Trump’s betrayal Monday of the democratic values that were the basis for that relationship.
Europe is America’s mother continent. Our foundational institutions were inherited from Europe. Our democracy is Greek and British. Our universities are German. The etiquette book George Washington read to improve himself was translated from French, and so were Thomas Jefferson’s ideals.
Europe represented a path to progress; America saw itself embracing that path and surpassing it. After the revolution, as the historian Joseph Ellis has written, Americans were sure a new generation of Shakespeares, Dantes and Ciceros would arise on North American soil.
As a young adult nation, we took what Europe had and started democratizing it for our own purposes. The luxury hotel is a European palace turned into a commercial enterprise. Frederick Law Olmsted visited England in 1850, marveled at the gardens of the aristocracy, came back to America and turned what he saw into great public parks — Central Park, the U.S. Capitol grounds and many more.
Then as a mature nation, we became our parent’s partner. After World War II, a reforged, American-led West stabilized itself. There were fights and rivalries, but underneath, there was an unspoken awareness — these are our kin.
This trans-Atlantic partnership was a vast historical accomplishment, a stumbling and imperfect effort to extend democracy, extend rights, extend freedom and build a world ordered by justice and not force. Since 1945 it is the thing we have all taken for granted.
Over the weekend, Trump ripped the partnership to threads. He said the European Union is our “foe.” On Monday, Trump essentially sided with Vladimir Putin, who has become the biggest moral and political enemy of the Euro-American relationship. Trump essentially dropped a project that has oriented American culture and policy for centuries. He pointed us to a world in which the central ethos is that might makes right.
But remember, Donald Trump exists only to put a capstone on every poisonous trend that preceded him. It took many hands to kill the Euro-American bond.
Right-wing politicians and commentators began to use Europe as a stand-in for American liberals. It’s a bunch of godless socialists, just like those heretics in Berkeley and Cambridge. Euro-bashing became a unifying conservative trope.
Progressives fell into the poisonous trap of racialism. They looked at the glories of Aristotle, Shakespeare and Mozart, and the most interesting thing they had to say about them was that they were dead white males. Future historians will marvel at how sophisticated people willfully made themselves so simple-minded. Eurocentrism became a code word for colonialism, oppression and privilege, taking a piece of European history for the whole of it.
Europeans didn’t help. In the wake of the Cold War, they have dedicated themselves to a post-nationalist project that is too top-down and technocratic and is now crumbling.
The Euro-American political project is now nearing end times. George W. Bush feuded with Europe over the Iraq war. Barack Obama pivoted away. Now, as Robert Kagan writes in The Washington Post, Trump is taking a sledgehammer to the Atlantic alliance.
Trump could have gone to last week’s NATO summit and taken credit only for increased European military spending. Instead, he moved the goal posts, humiliated the Europeans, reasserted his trade war talk and made it impossible for European leaders to do anything that might seem to support him. These are the actions of a man who wants the alliance to fail.
His embrace of Putin Monday was a victory dance on the Euro-American tomb.
“This is not just another family quarrel,” Kagan writes. “The democratic alliance that has been the bedrock of the American-led liberal world order is unraveling. At some point, and probably sooner than we expect, the global peace that that alliance and that order undergirded will unravel, too. Despite our human desire to hope for the best, things will not be okay.”
Kagan was writing before Monday’s press conference, and now his core point is doubly true. If you thought we could ride the Trump storm and then return to normal, you can surely see now this view is mistaken. The fundamental arrangements of our world are being remade.
Today, Europe and America face common perils and common problems — including the rise of ravenous strongmen who want to remake the world order. We’ve lost the bonds that might enable us to fight them together. Worse, the wolves are not only in the henhouse; they are in the Executive Mansion.
Beware what happens when you walk away from your lineage.
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America was founded on the separation from Europe and the phrase beware entangling alliances.
Americans strongly resisted WWI as well as WWII.
Wilson wanted to join WWI even willing to institute income taxes to prepare for it hoping it would bring him a world run by the biggest entangling alliance a League of Nations
WWII was another progressives desire and we did not join it, it joined us. The Japanese attacked us and happily for Roosevelt Hitler declared war on us.
We have had to shoulder the burden of PAX AMERICANA since and all these countries have been able to undertake bad policy due to the cushion of our cash and defense flowing into their coffers.
Europe has moved away from Europe. It is no longer that bastion of western culture. In a few years it won't be recognizable.
There will be the former east block countries that defended their borders threatened by Russia to their east and a wasteland to the west of them. If Britain gets its shit together it may survive.
Those former com block countries will of necessity come to some term with Russia.
We likely won't be of much help when Western Europe becomes a wasteland.
The Eu has been an economic foe of the US for quite some time now. The difference today, is that shots are (finally) being fired across the bow. Heads up mother fuckers, we're tired of fucking around...
All interesting stuff. Then there's that nagging little geographic fact that Russia and China share quite a bit of border, and they have not always played nicely there. Some major pieces on the chess board are being moved...
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That fuck George Stephanopolous suggesting Flake with hold his vote for Kavanaugh in order to force Trump to apologize for the Putin meeting.
If you don't see the real treason you are blind.
If you don't see the real treason you are blind.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...shadow-government-come-out-against-trump.html
Outright calls for a 'shadow government' by the left...
Here is some news for them... there is one. It's trying to pull off a coup... and it's losing!
Cheers,
Sirhr
Outright calls for a 'shadow government' by the left...
Here is some news for them... there is one. It's trying to pull off a coup... and it's losing!
Cheers,
Sirhr
Chuck.... aren't you aware of this thing called "The Internet" where pictures are posted and stay for a long, long time?
Cheers,
Sirhr
It hasn't been for a very very long time at least morally. It's more of a caricature just check the wobbly "i have serious spine issues" Juncker a fucking moronic clown. Hordes of buearocrats running off their mouths and writing down senseless rules and laws (EU directives -> a word right out of communist manifesto, they direct, they rule, we should allow to be directed, ruled...).
What i find funny and refreshing is the amout of vile being thrown at Trump from just about every side possible - complete and utter shock and awe from globalists. Fucking rats are coming out in the open i think its prime time to start whack-a-mole game...
The USA is the Momma. The EU, China, Japan and many others are the babies suckling on the tits. Momma has decided the babies are big enough to be weaned and take care of themselves. But the babies are all screaming and crying because they lost their tit. Momma will let them cry, because she knows they will sooner or later get over it. She knows they will either learn to care for themselves or die. The cycle of life.
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I think China is a peer because of its quantity of cannon fodder.
Lake City couldn't produce enough before another generation was ready to assault.
But China depends on the disposable economy that has been created and lacks technological innovation.
They are not to be taken lightly and it's debatable who is on the tit.
Trump certainly wants to end that debate.
Lake City couldn't produce enough before another generation was ready to assault.
But China depends on the disposable economy that has been created and lacks technological innovation.
They are not to be taken lightly and it's debatable who is on the tit.
Trump certainly wants to end that debate.
They in most cases didn't have to steal it.
It was given to them through our establishment politicians probably for some cheap donations to their political campaigns.
Why is this an issue? See North Korea.
I drove into work this morning listening to how the left has become totally unhinged by this meeting/summit. Honestly, they've lost all semblance of sanity comparing it to Kristallnacht, and saying Trump is committing treason, etc., etc., etc.
The question is totally legitimate, and I don't have an insightful answer to it myself. Judging only by the reaction of that portion of my fellow countrymen for whom I have a persistent and deep loathing I'd say it was a smashing success. Whatever exposes their insanity and makes them spout their asinine drivel is success.
As has been stated so often here, and is so right, Russia is far less of a threat to The United States of America than the Deep State. Russia is only a threat because of nuclear missiles. Take that away, and they rate far less than the remnants of Al-Qaida and ISIS. They remain a bad actor because of Putin, but we should be talking to them and trying to cooperate on the few places where our interests aren't in opposition to each other.
I'd say overall Trump's meeting with Putin is a raging success in driving Democrats, SJWs and Communists totally out of their crazy minds.
You'd think some of the MSM "icons" were about to have a stroke on camera.
I'm pretty sure all the EU guys and the NATO folks in Europe are a bit worried about what would happen if we didn't have an excuse to keep funding their military defense for them.
You'd think some of the MSM "icons" were about to have a stroke on camera.
I'm pretty sure all the EU guys and the NATO folks in Europe are a bit worried about what would happen if we didn't have an excuse to keep funding their military defense for them.
Trump stated out front - low expectations.
He was looking for areas to agree. If that means getting Iran out of Syria that is good.
Who cruise misled Syria, put Iran in sanctions and smoked 200 Russian mercs?
Hint it wasn't Obama.
He was looking for areas to agree. If that means getting Iran out of Syria that is good.
Who cruise misled Syria, put Iran in sanctions and smoked 200 Russian mercs?
Hint it wasn't Obama.
Only history will write the true answer to OP question.
International politics will twist the f out of it for their own benefits, stevie wonder and ray charles can see the propaganda being CREATED daily about this, as the established eu/American politicians who have been raking in international $ feel threatened.
My last trip over was an eye opener....
Imho, EU was a statist attempt to create a one world gov, of elitists, and it tried to remove single country independence, and limit their powers to "common good".
The failure of individual countries to thrive under EU is one sign of the wrongness of the plan behind EU. The high levels of unemployment, the closed industries, the riots, the larger number of poor, the immigrant flood, Brexit, and the resistance to it, crooked politicians clawing to hold on to power and $ as EU fails and Brexit threatens.
EU is becoming a huge socialist welfare state that only a strongman dictator could straighten out given the divisiveness of EU now. Ray and stevie have vision on this...
Putin knows exactly what this all means, and hes not willing to have "this disease" drain his world.
And it appears, neither is Trump, calling EU, foes. They are definitely the EU welfare recipients of OUR dollars bailing them out like BO bailed out some losers in the US. DT appears to be wanting to get their fangs out of the American tit b4 they suck us dry.
Kinda looks like the only two leaders standing up for their countries rights to be a free standing country are DT and Putin.
Jmho.......
International politics will twist the f out of it for their own benefits, stevie wonder and ray charles can see the propaganda being CREATED daily about this, as the established eu/American politicians who have been raking in international $ feel threatened.
My last trip over was an eye opener....
Imho, EU was a statist attempt to create a one world gov, of elitists, and it tried to remove single country independence, and limit their powers to "common good".
The failure of individual countries to thrive under EU is one sign of the wrongness of the plan behind EU. The high levels of unemployment, the closed industries, the riots, the larger number of poor, the immigrant flood, Brexit, and the resistance to it, crooked politicians clawing to hold on to power and $ as EU fails and Brexit threatens.
EU is becoming a huge socialist welfare state that only a strongman dictator could straighten out given the divisiveness of EU now. Ray and stevie have vision on this...
Putin knows exactly what this all means, and hes not willing to have "this disease" drain his world.
And it appears, neither is Trump, calling EU, foes. They are definitely the EU welfare recipients of OUR dollars bailing them out like BO bailed out some losers in the US. DT appears to be wanting to get their fangs out of the American tit b4 they suck us dry.
Kinda looks like the only two leaders standing up for their countries rights to be a free standing country are DT and Putin.
Jmho.......
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