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So most here think this is fake news? Amiright? Or just a few?
The 1918 flu was fake too then I reckon? Aids? Yellow fever? Swine flu-fake? Shittin yer self to death at the top of the charts? Serious?
I must be one seriously dumb muther fuckr. The wife is right, LOL.

If not real, people like me are just plain fuckin nuts then ? It's an act ? With actors er what? Fake reporters?
They had a whole row of refrigerator trucks in NYC filling up with bodies, showed em carting dead & covered bodies.
A husband and wife died just minutes apart, fake story then, really ? If fake what's the purpose again?
I can tell you didn't read the thread or you would understand where we are coming from. Nobody said the virus doesnt exist.
 

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Ok , well I think I am in the majority then. Lot's of people are blowing this off, not sure why, but don't really care now.
Some believe it is hyper inflated and a conspiracy to remove your constitutional rights. They are in the minority but have a strong opinion.

Others believe that it is real and a tragedy of proportions we won't realize until we are through it.

Some believe that the Government will take advantage of a true tragedy.

That kind of sums it up
 

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According to this article it looks like the mortality rate might be skewed upward since they tend to attribute the cause of death to covid if the person had the virus even if the actual cause of death is from other underlying causes.

 

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Keep in mind that the figures we get don’t even include most people who die unattended in their own homes or nursing homes.
 

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According to this article it looks like the mortality rate might be skewed upward since they tend to attribute the cause of death to covid if the person had the virus even if the actual cause of death is from other underlying causes.

Thus far, no one has been able to provide any evidence showing massive amounts of deaths that were not caused by covid-19, credited to just because they were positive.

The people who are saying this are implying that someone just tests positive, then dies if anything random and is just thrown in the body count for shits and giggles.

*If* there is any validity, it is likely stemming from non medical staff (non RN, MD’s, etc) only knowing a patient died from a heart attack, and not realizing the heart attack was brought on from complications from covid.

For example, a few years back my grandmother received surgery to remove cancer behind her jaw. The surgery was successful, but she ultimately contracted pneumonia, suffered a couple heart attacks, and eventually pass away. Her cause of death was listed as cancer. Since she was healthy otherwise, the cancer is what started the whole situation and thusly listed as the cause of death (and in reality, I’m sure fear of malpractice lawsuits for choices made on breathing tubes and such contributed to making that the cod).

Could some argue it was technically pneumonia or a heart attack that killed her? Sure. Is there anything wrong with listing cancer? No.

Now if anyone can show any real proof that someone had no real serious symptoms and died from (name anything not related to covid) and they just listed it as a cause of death......I’d like to see it. As any type of fraud is fraud. But I’m fairly certain this either stems from random made up theories, or non medical staff not knowing the entire story.
 
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Thus far, no one has been able to provide any evidence showing massive amounts of deaths that were not caused by covid-19, credited to just because they were positive.

The people who are saying this are implying that someone just tests positive, then dies if anything random and is just thrown in the body count for shits and giggles.

*If* there is any validity, it is likely stemming from non medical staff (non RN, MD’s, etc) only knowing a patient died from a heart attack, and not realizing the heart attack was brought on from complications from covid.

For example, a few years back my grandmother received surgery to remove cancer behind her jaw. The surgery was successful, but she ultimately contracted pneumonia, suffered a couple heart attacks, and eventually pass away. Her cause of death was listed as cancer. Since she was healthy otherwise, the cancer is what started the whole situation and thusly listed as the cause of death (and in reality, I’m sure fear of malpractice lawsuits for choices made on breathing tubes and such contributed to making that the cod).

Could some argue it was technically pneumonia or a heart attack that killed her? Sure. Is there anything wrong with listing cancer? No.

Now if anyone can show any real proof that someone had no real serious symptoms and died from (name anything not related to covid) and they just listed it as a cause of death......I’d like to see it. As any type of fraud is fraud. But I’m fairly certain this either stems from random made up theories, or non medical staff not knowing the entire story.

Same with my Mum, a metastasis around her Iliac vein caused a DVT, which seeded her bloodstream with tiny clots, the clots caused a series of ischemic strokes, the accumulated damage from which eventually took her.
She died of a series of strokes but COD was listed as cancer.
In her case it was definitely arse covering, the full story was far more complex than the precis above.
 
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Now, this IMO, is an example of shit that shouldn’t be happening:


My kids were telling me last night the story of a elderly women, Covid positive, that stated to her carers "Dont give me the ventilator. I am old. Give it to a young person that still has a life to live"

I will research the kids story in a moment but in regards to your posting....

Communists have no qualms about creating a great propaganda story around death.

Meet Pavlik Morozov - Hero of the Soviet Union - Justifcation for 7 million deaths in the Ukraine during the Holdomor.

 

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I am sure that this was probably the only instance of such a thing.
Now, this IMO, is an example of shit that shouldn’t be happening:

 

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I am sure that this was probably the only instance of such a thing.
Here is the statute for it all. Everything that can be counted as Covid Is and will be.
It’s getting real hard for me to understand the guys that are taking up for our lying media, lying politicians, and lying government organizations. The government is not your friend. The government does not have your interest at heart. They want your money. They want power. Open your eyes.
Link to twitter and a screenshot of the document.


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People are starting to question the hoax. No matter how the Bloomberg trolls and Soros lackies try to spin this crap, a good case of the shits will kill far more people. The thing to understand about white socialists and communists is how incredibly racist and elitist they really are. As long as the disease kills primarily black and brown people they do not care in the least. BUT! if the disease gives them a chance to remove a sitting US president from office, destroy retirement savings for millions of people, cripple the economy of their largest enemy and install a socialist puppet for their masters, juts watch them scream.


In 2017, almost 1.6 million people died from diarrheal diseases globally. This is more than all deaths from all 'intentional injuries' combined in the same year: almost 800,000 died from suicide, 405,000 from homicide, 130,000 in conflict, and 26,500 from terrorism – in total 1,355,000.

Interesting to note that diarrhea is one of the symptoms of covid 19. Just saying diarrhea kills more is like saying there is only one cause of diarrhea in the world. Food poisoning, malnutrition, many water born illnesses, parasites, certain cancers, surgical recovery from cercain surgeries, flu, covid, etc.... lots of causes. Break them down to where they belong so its apples to apples, rather than make assumptions using apples to bananas comparisons
 

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They did the same thing for Puerto Rico and the hurricane.
Two months after the hurricane someone died from a heart attack and it was blamed on the storm because lack of rescue squad to take the 400 lb guy to the hospital.
 

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I'll repeat here what I posted in another thread:

Right now, your should practice and encourage behaviour that ensures:

A) You are alive at the next election and
B) The Left has lost more voters than the Right.

How this virus crisis may affect future rights can be discussed during Trump's second term.

If the Left wins, there will be no discussion and your rights will be gone until you man up and re-assert them at gun point.

So, ideally Covid-19 makes a revolution against totalitarianism unnecessary. Worst case scenario, the Covid-19 lock down was an opportunity to get your act together for what needs to happen if the Left wins Senate and WH.

Stop bitching and try to find opportunity in every challenge including this lockdown.
 
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Here is the statute for it all. Everything that can be counted as Covid Is and will be.
It’s getting real hard for me to understand the guys that are taking up for our lying media, lying politicians, and lying government organizations. The government is not your friend. The government does not have your interest at heart. They want your money. They want power. Open your eyes.
Link to twitter and a screenshot of the document.


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You know this document basically disproves the concern for ill intentions you are writing on about dont you? Your associated comment doesnt make sense in relation to this medical coding update. You don't understand the hows and whys and are extapolating it to such an extreme point that I see no correlation
 
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Now, this IMO, is an example of shit that shouldn’t be happening:

But how widespread? Or, is this case unique?

If I had a heart attack and fell over dead, with no covid symptoms but tested positive...how would I be counted?

If in fact covid numbers are being "inflated" due to scenarios like above, then we should see a decrease in other disease deaths.
 

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While I agree the politicians are morraly corrupt and do not have our interests at heart talking, those on and on about this and trying to show sensationalized numbers using innacurate sensationalized charts and graphs makes me feel like those who are posting these skewed or plain innacurate charts and graphs, or posting them and using numbers that are pulled from the different timelines or dates that either inflate or deflate one point or another is so unscientific and only hurts your the point you are trying to make because it makes you look foolish and makes me question your intentions. Anyone who is unable to show me real data that is scientifically comparable, and goes on about this or that because the graph or chart shows something irrelevant is iritating and is wasting everyones time not contributing to a valid discussion. Also is causing disinformation that some may just see a poster ranting about a diagram they found from an outdated source or article, or even worse was inaccurately compiled, then see they found a diagram, and move on without even looking at it and move on believing that person because he brought a new thing to look at.
 
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But how widespread? Or, is this case unique?

If I had a heart attack and fell over dead, with no covid symptoms but tested positive...how would I be counted?

If in fact covid numbers are being "inflated" due to scenarios like above, then we should see a decrease in other disease deaths.
You saw the post with the precipitous drop in pneumonia deaths.

Sure pneumonia is likely the part of Covid 19 that kills you but it seems any and all pneumonia now is considered Covid -19.

Makes one wonder if other infections that can result in pneumonia are just be considered Covid 19.
 
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You know this document basically disproves the concern for ill intentions you are writing on about dont you? Your associated comment doesnt make sense in relation to this medical coding update. You don't understand the hows and whys and are extapolating it to such an extreme point that I see no correlation
Apparently you don’t understand the document. My point is that covid will be the cause of death whether it is or isn’t. Have late stage COPD and test positive and die, Covid did it. A patient doesn’t even have to test positive for it to be on the death certificate if it is assumed. Read the last paragraph.
 

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They did the same thing for Puerto Rico and the hurricane.
Two months after the hurricane someone died from a heart attack and it was blamed on the storm because lack of rescue squad to take the 400 lb guy to the hospital.
If it was a treatable heart attack I could see a valid argument either way. If it was a huge attack that is difficult to survive call it an heart attack and move on. People have to make decisions in what to call something so we know what the trends are in mortality and other vital statistics. Just because the guy is 400 pounds doesnt mean he had a severe heart attack.
 
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While I agree the politicians are morraly corrupt and do not have our interests at heart talking, those on and on about this and trying to show sensationalized numbers using innacurate sensationalized charts and graphs makes me feel like those who are posting these skewed or plain innacurate charts and graphs, or posting them and using numbers that are pulled from the different timelines or dates that either inflate or deflate one point or another is so unscientific and only hurts your the point you are trying to make because it makes you look foolish and makes me question your intentions. Anyone who is unable to show me real data that is scientifically comparable, and goes on about this or that because the graph or chart shows something irrelevant is iritating and is wasting everyones time not contributing to a valid discussion. Also is causing disinformation that some may just see a poster ranting about a diagram they found from an outdated source or article, or even worse was inaccurately compiled, then see they found a diagram, and move on without even looking at it and move on believing that person because he brought a new thing to look at.
You fail to understand the data being spewed from your saviors is inaccurate. The models they are using have been wrong by many many times the amount they have projected. The whole shutdown of this nation that has cost millions of jobs and an economic crises have been based off inaccuracies, lies, and in many cases ill intentions. The left is now trying to give checks to illegals. Imagine that. This is a power grab and wealth redistribution scheme right now.

The virus is real. So is the rest.
 

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I'll repeat here what I posted in another thread:

Right now, your should practice and encourage behaviour that ensures:

A) You are alive at the next election and
B) The Left has lost more voters than the Right.

How this virus crisis may affect future rights can be discussed during Trump's second term.

If the Left wins, there will be no discussion and your rights will be gone until you man up and re-assert them at gun point.

So, ideally Covid-19 makes a revolution against totalitarianism unnecessary. Worst case scenario, the Covid-19 lock down was an opportunity to get your act together for what needs to happen if the Left wins Senate and WH.

Stop bitching and try to find opportunity in every challenge including this lockdown.
Well said...there are lots of upsides to this.
 

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Apparently you don’t understand the document. My point is that covid will be the cause of death whether it is or isn’t. Have late stage COPD and test positive and die, Covid did it. A patient doesn’t even have to test positive for it to be on the death certificate if it is assumed. Read the last paragraph.
Is suggest you read it again. I understand it just fine. I read the whole thing. If there is an assumption of death they would like later verification that the assumption is indeed correct. You are basically saying the doctor in charge of determining cause of death is trying to change statistics for what reason? I see none.
 
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Except that if he wasn't grossly obese he most likely wouldn't have had the heart attack to begin with.
But let's not let personal Responsibility get in the way when we can blame something/someone else
 

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Is suggest you read it again. I understand it just fine. I read the whole thing. If there is an assumption of death they would like later verification that the assumption is indeed correct. You are basically saying the doctor in charge of determining cause of death is trying to change statistics for what reason? I see none.
Is that CNN I hear in the background. Lol
 

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You fail to understand the data being spewed from your saviors is inaccurate. The models they are using have been wrong by many many times the amount they have projected. The whole shutdown of this nation that has cost millions of jobs and an economic crises have been based off inaccuracies, lies, and in many cases ill intentions. The left is now trying to give checks to illegals. Imagine that. This is a power grab and wealth redistribution scheme right now.

The virus is real. So is the rest.
I have no desire to argue with you. You are both right and wrong on many points. I have only seen the charts posted in this forum and I know for a fact that many of them are wrong but are touted as being without flaw and taken to prove a point that is thusly invalid and filled with negligence.

If frustrates me that you feel llike anyone who is not jumping inside your biased or politically skewed jalopy is a leftist Communist and wants the government to control our lives. Your assumptions are exhausting that way, and wrong.
 
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I have no desire to argue with you. You are both right and wrong on many points. I have only seen the charts posted in this forum and I know for a fact that many of them are wrong but are touted as being without flaw and taken to prove a point that is thusly invalid and filled with negligence.

If frustrates me that you feel llike anyone who is not jumping inside your biased or politically skewed jalopy is aledtist Communist and wants the government to control our lives. Your assumptions are exhausting that way, and wrong.
We may have common ground I dont know. You just trust what the media and government say. You trust their numbers and intentions. I don’t because they lie about everything. They lie to get us in wars that cost lives. They could care less about human life. Why would this be any different? Why the third world authoritarian laws and policy over this? Why are decent people forced in their homes by threat of force while they watch their bank accounts wither and their jobs disappear. Why is this for our “safety”? Why the big push further left?

I dont want to argue either and dont want you to answer the questions I asked. Just think about them.
 

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Except that if he wasn't grossly obese he most likely wouldn't have had the heart attack to begin with.
But let's not let personal Responsibility get in the way when we can blame something/someone else
So if he had stepped on a rusty nail in the middle of a sidewalk after a hurricane spewed building materials all over the road, and that person gets tetanus and dies, but also had a small heart attack, is that reported wrong? Im not saying your wrong in trying to keep it real, just that your not right either. There are many potential variables that arent being considered. Unless you were the doctor evaluating this guy or had some inside information as to his demise I don't see the example given as valid... I understand what your trying to say, but disagree with your method of getting there
 
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I think you need to drop the emotional response and think this through a bit more.

The medical profession isn't immune to exaggeration, illogical/emotional response, and data padding.
Or he could be correct, fact is people are dying, they're not all old either. Wife is an ICU nurse, they have had old and young on ventilators. Several have died, though most will be fine. We're three months in, it's not going away soon. If you get it and get put on a vent the odds of dying are high. You'll also likely be alone, no family or friends allowed. So if you get it, make sure to have plenty of conversations with those you care about.
 
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Stressed-out primates have taken to chain smoking cigarettes as the coronavirus crisis rages across the globe. Monkeys and chimps have failed to kick the habit as entertained visitors are seen to laugh as the animals spark up amid the pandemic. In Cambodia, one man took to social media to share a video, titled ‘By 2020 even monkeys can smoke’, which shows a tiny macaque in a pen smoking a cig as another looks on. The animal is seen to take repeated drags while looking thoughtfully into the distance, as a group of men laugh hysterically and take pictures on their phones. It seems that as worried humans panic over the pandemic unfolding around them, their stress has rubbed off on monkeys who are reaching for the smokes.

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Italy’s National Institute of Health found that 99% of the people who have died of Covid-19 had at least one pre-existing condition. You would think this would be headline news here in the States. Nah, not scary enough. Wouldn’t want people to make up their own minds.

 
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Dumbass should have watched where he was stepping. Worn propper foot attire for the condition. It's called Personal Responsibility.
So if he had stepsmed on a rusty nail in the middle of a sidewalk after a hurricane spewed building materials all over the road, and that person gets tetanus and dies, but also had a small heart attack, is that reported wrong? Im not saying your wrong in trying to keep it real, just that your not right either. There are many potential variables that arent being considered. Unless you were the doctor evaluating this guy or had some inside information as to his demise I don't see the example given as valid... I understand what your trying to say, but disagree with your method of getting there
 

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You saw the post with the precipitous drop in pneumonia deaths.

Sure pneumonia is likely the part of Covid 19 that kills you but it seems any and all pneumonia now is considered Covid -19.

Makes one wonder if other infections that can result in pneumonia are just be considered Covid 19.
Yes, I did see the charts.

Definitely an interesting correlation. Especially such a sharp decline with a large deviation compared to previous years.

Will be intetesting to see if other diseases show a similar pattern.
 

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We may have common ground I dont know. You just trust what the media and government say. You trust their numbers and intentions. I don’t because they lie about everything. They lie to get us in wars that cost lives. They could care less about human life. Why would this be any different? Why the third world authoritarian laws and policy over this? Why are decent people forced in their homes by threat of force while they watch their bank accounts wither and their jobs disappear. Why is this for our “safety”? Why the big push further left?

I dont want to argue either and dont want you to answer the questions I asked. Just think about them.
Why don't you want me to answer the question? It is boiled down to a much simpler point. I agree there are power grabs in situations like these. Your point of view,whether it is or isn't, comes across as sounding like the dems are pushing for people to become substantially affected financially to the point that the people will be forced to rely on their idea of a socialist government. (I agree in general).

But the link between the dems and the POTUS is very weak. Each of our local or state governments are the ones making the decisions as to stay at home orders and such. Your particular government is being generalized to the entire United States in your posts.

The reality is if large gatherings of people occur, the virus spreads faster than the medical systems in their current status can handle. New york, Italy, Iran, etc....

If people are spread out and seperated the contagious will eventually become not contagious and the opportunity of infection will decrease.

Look at it this way. If you were the only one in your state who got the flu during a regular year and went to work coughing and sneezing all over everything and gave everyone the same illness and they brought it to their families and then friends and then work again and then families and then friends and on and on and on then we would all be pissed at you and not even know you.

The other reality is if everyone in the world stayed home for maybe a month to six weeks we would all be good and could move on with our lives. If that had been initiated we would have been done, but China lied and screwed us all over. I can't hardly stand China
 
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You saw the post with the precipitous drop in pneumonia deaths.

Sure pneumonia is likely the part of Covid 19 that kills you but it seems any and all pneumonia now is considered Covid -19.

Makes one wonder if other infections that can result in pneumonia are just be considered Covid 19.
If they died of pneumonia they would have been tested for it and it would be segmented in the correct cause of death, unless the died at home and were eaten by their cats.
 

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Italy’s National Institute of Health found that 99% of the people who have died of Covid-19 had at least one pre-existing condition. You would think this would be headline news here in the States. Nah, not scary enough. Wouldn’t want people to make up their own minds.

You spreading your covid-ness contagion to one person would allow that person to spread it to more and it would bloom from there. Thus your series of events would have infected many with preexisting conditions who otherwise would not have had any issue whatsoever for many many years.
 
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If they died of pneumonia they would have been tested for it and it would be segmented in the correct cause of death, unless the died at home and were eaten by their cats.
And the point whizzes on by...
 

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If they died of pneumonia they would have been tested for it and it would be segmented in the correct cause of death, unless the died at home and were eaten by their cats.

So why the precipitous drop in the pneumonia cases?

The graph should more closely match the other years.

Than China really has cured pneumonia, its a miracle!
 
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You spreading your covid-ness contagion to one person would allow that person to spread it to more and it would bloom from there. Thus your series of events would have infected many with preexisting conditions who otherwise would not have had any issue whatsoever for many many years.
If we are going to blame the victims or hold them responsible for spreading.

Then you better step up and take a big bite out of the CCPs ass.

Letting them off the hook is a travesty of justice.
 
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So why the precipitous drop in the pneumonia cases?

The graph should more closely match the other years.

Than China really has cured pneumonia, its a miracle!
TBH, it is what it is at this point.

Die of pneumonia, test positive for cv19, equates to death by cv19. Regardless if cv19 was the initiating cause. I think we all need to accept that this is how it will be reported. I understand why, as it is likely difficult to determine how much if any was attributed to cv19.

However, there are millions and millions of people who dont understand this nuance as you can see in this thread. Will not see it discussed on the mainstream media much either.
 
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Is suggest you read it again. I understand it just fine. I read the whole thing. If there is an assumption of death they would like later verification that the assumption is indeed correct. You are basically saying the doctor in charge of determining cause of death is trying to change statistics for what reason? I see none.
Verification is mentioned only if there is a pending test result, OR, if the specific strain isn't mentioned (ie, if it just says "coronavirus" and not Covid-19 specifically). Otherwise:

If the certificate lists the cause as "likely" or "probable" Covid-19 (ie, an "assumption", as you mentioned), "...these terms would be assigned the new code. It is unlikely that NCHS will follow up on these cases." So, unless a test was performed/pending, there is no verification and the code is applied. They're not following up to see if it was correct. "Likely" or "probable" count.

They even put it in bold print in the last paragraph. Use the code if the disease "...caused, or is ASSUMED to have caused or CONTRIBUTED to death."
 
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If we are going to blame the victims or hold them responsible for spreading.

Then you better step up and take a big bite out of the CCPs ass.

Letting them off the hook is a travesty of justice.
Im not sure which CCP your talking about. Chinese Communist Party?