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On the news this morning they were critical of people walking around outside.

They said people we abusing this "privilege".

So now leaving your home is a privilege?

Just like 911, this virus is being used as justification to get people to support the loss their of freedom.
 
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On the news this morning they were critical of people walking around outside.

They said people we abusing this "privilege".

So now leaving your home is a privilege?

Just like 911, this virus is being used as justification to get people to support the loss their of freedom.
Curious,
What state,
What city,
What news,
Who is they,
 
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On the news this morning they were critical of people walking around outside.

They said people we abusing this "privilege".

So now leaving your home is a privilege?

Just like 911, this virus is being used as justification to get people to support the loss their of freedom.
If it is going to help to keep this shit from spreading by keeping you from spewing your lungs all over everyone you meet because you are infected and don't even know it, fuckin right you shouldn't be walking around.

Sit in your yard by yourself in case, to get this under control. If some of the beach bunnies & bench warmers & kids thinking it's cool to drink with hundreds of other idiots would have stayed inside when this started
We might have saved some lives. Some of you act like your paranoid skitzos. Sit tight for a spell, big fuckin woop.
 

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If it is going to help to keep this shit from spreading by keeping you from spewing your lungs all over everyone you meet because you are infected and don't even know it, fuckin right you shouldn't be walking around.
Interesting you say this.

Why shouldn’t we be walking around?

Because everyone fears death from the Wuhan virus? Or perhaps because we fear being persecuted for unlawful rules from the governors?

Or is it just about the lust of control from the “do what I say slaves”?
 

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If it is going to help to keep this shit from spreading by keeping you from spewing your lungs all over everyone you meet because you are infected and don't even know it, fuckin right you shouldn't be walking around.

Sit in your yard by yourself in case, to get this under control. If some of the beach bunnies & bench warmers & kids thinking it's cool to drink with hundreds of other idiots would have stayed inside when this started
We might have saved some lives. Some of you act like your paranoid skitzos. Sit tight for a spell, big fuckin woop.
EVERYBODY wants this man walking around..... rightfully so...

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Very few want to see him....

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The purpose of the just walking around, becomes the theme. Walking for good, is acceptable.
Walking for bad, is not.

Some people cant tell the difference, both walkers and viewers, and we see a myriad of written responses. Some more vehement than others.

Walking outside for exercise, to maintain a healthy immune system is common sense, when reasonable precaution is taken to avoid the known transmission method.

Being told you CAN'T do common sense healthy, and in the long run, beneficial walking, is wrong.....

Questioning the motives of the entity issuing a wrong stop order, is reasonable. Resisting a wrong stop order is your personal choice, all other reasonable precautions being taken. And most of us will resist something visibly wrong. Nature of the beast.

Stupidity, ignoring common sense preventative measures, is .... stupidity.
And life is tougher for the stupid. Reasonable restrictions to stupid are acceptable to a very large number of us.
 
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Interesting you say this.

Why shouldn’t we be walking around?

Because everyone fears death from the Wuhan virus? Or perhaps because we fear being persecuted for unlawful rules from the governors?

Or is it just about the lust of control?
I think the SCOTUS is going to have to weigh in at some point. We are at a moral conundrum with which right take precedent over the other:

The right to move around freely at all times

The right to be reasonably free from being infected with a virus we have no treatment or immunity from. Basically, this is the 1-3% that will die from this virus.

There is some very *slight* case law where the SCOTUS ruled mandatory vaccinations could be forced (I believe it was smallpox). They basically said the freedom of an individual must sometimes be subordinated.

This is the first such instance we have seen in our lifetimes. So I think a SCOTUS ruling is going to be necessary at some point.
 

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Interestingly enough, (Jacobson vs Mass) might actually prevent any action specifically targeting the at risk population for quarantine.

The ruling allows restrictions of rights for the greater good. But it mentions that specific classes and such may not be singled out. It doesn’t mentioned “protected classes” though I don’t believe that was a thing in 1905.

So, it *might* not be legal to say “hey, you’re obese with diabetes, you can’t come out the house.” Unless you could show they have a greater chance of spreading the virus.
 
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EVERYBODY wants this man walking around..... rightfully so...

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Very few want to see him....

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The purpose of the just walking around, becomes the theme. Walking for good, is acceptable.
Walking for bad, is not.

Some people cant tell the difference, both walkers and viewers, and we see a myriad of written responses. Some more vehement than others.

Walking outside for exercise, to maintain a healthy immune system is common sense, when reasonable precaution is taken to avoid the known transmission method.

Being told you CAN'T do common sense healthy, and in the long run, beneficial walking, is wrong.....

Questioning the motives of the entity issuing a wrong stop order, is reasonable. Resisting a wrong stop order is your personal choice, all other reasonable precautions being taken. And most of us will resist something visibly wrong. Nature of the beast.
Hell I don’t care the reason anyone’s walking around as long as they’re not walking on my land. If your not on my property, or walking away with my property, what’s authority do I have to tell another freeman why he can’t walk around.
 
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NUMBERS and DATA first.....
FLU cases in the USA:
36,000,0000----COVID19 1.5 MIllion wordlwide Flue worldwide 230,000,000-690,000,000 These numbers for flu are based off hospital reporting for flu tests in the USA and hospital reporting world wide
deaths in the FLU USA 29,000 ---COVID Lets give them 25,000 less than reported with their made up numbers Worldwide flu 200,000+

There are sections of AT RISK people that get crushed by this but last year the same odl group was smashed in previous years. On year there was an 8% fatality rate.

Yes COVD is possibly more deadly thant the flu for certain at risk people. It is less risky for other ages. These number above DO NOT warrant the reaction worldwide.


Ive been saying their DATA hasnt been right for weeks. If you want it to be more contagious than the influenza you need to have massive number right away... they dont. For the current numbers you need the virus to have started mid march. It didnt, i am being told that I had it post my visit to Northern Italy in the late winter. There is data showing it around since 11/17/19
There is ZERO evidence its as contagious as they say or that social distancing works. This theory is A: unprovable B. used by china and italy with not great outcomes. China used it , but was it to break protests or to stop the spread?


The CDC is releasing guidance to code any and every death as COVID, this means they need numbers to get close to their model. Except an increase in deaths, remind yourself to check the true deaths this time next year. It will be a 1/3rd of what they are saying.
I expect the country to be open before the end of April with useless guidance to wear a mask.
The issue is the borrowing of money and the police state. The "legalities" they are using are for diseases such as HIV/AIDS, NOT a flu or virus. Trouble is with the hype is getting a judge to help you.

They have a win win here. If no one dies they can take credit with ZERO proof. Funny how they think this works be HCQ not working. If people die they can say... we tried it would have been worse.

Lastly, this is why scientists can never make any decisions. This is like the US going to WAR! over NOK having a nuke. Using the logic .of REACT TO THE WORST CASE, that scientists and climate nuts say, we should be at war with at least 2 countries. Why? Because we cant accept the risk of an attack that would kill 400,000 to 7+ million.
Sound far fetched? Well this would do less damage to the economy than their STUPID over reaction here.

FLU cases in the USA:
36,000,0000----COVID19 1.5 MIllion wordlwide Flue worldwide 230,000,000-690,000,000 These numbers for flu are based off hospital reporting for flu tests in the USA and hospital reporting world wide
deaths in the USA 29,000 COVID Lets give them 25,000 less than reported with their made up numbers
 
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Next.....

BILL GATES. This man has been desperate for a pandemic for years. He is funding this issue response eveyr step of the way. If you look in his scientific contribitions, they include human testing in Africa, sterilizing women. To prevent HIV spread his group performed surgeries on a group of males with a second control group. The control group was allowed to be sexually active while the surgery group was recovering from the surgery. The end results was the surgery group had significantly LESS cases of HIV/AIDS than the control group..... there was no credence given to the horrible controls used. The result was the surgery had PROFOUND impacts on the spread of HIV/AIDS resulting in the American pediatrics and medical ass. recommending as a way to reduce the spread of aids...... yup the fact one group was not sexually active for 6weeks while the other was, did not play into the conclusion like it should have.
He has mulitple "foundation" labs in africa where they are "researching" As great as this sounds guess who is going to own the CURE when its found??? Yup Bill gates.

IMHO he wants to win a Peace prize and will jump on any disease he can find until he gets the attention he wants.

EVERY GOVERNMENT in the world is using HIS models... which have been 8-15X wrong!! to guide their response to this self induced CRISIS.
 

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NUMBERS and DATA first.....
FLU cases in the USA:
36,000,0000----COVID19 1.5 MIllion wordlwide Flue worldwide 230,000,000-690,000,000 These numbers for flu are based off hospital reporting for flu tests in the USA and hospital reporting world wide
deaths in the USA 29,000 COVID Lets give them 25,000 less than reported with their made up numbers Worldwide flu 200,000+

There are sections of AT RISK people that get crushed by this but last year the same odl group was smashed in previous years. On year there was an 8% fatality rate.

Yes COVD is possibly more deadly thant the flu for certain at risk people. It is less risky for other ages. These number above DO NOT warrant the reaction worldwide.


Ive been saying their DATA hasnt been right for weeks. If you want it to be more contagious than the influenza you need to have massive number right away... they dont. For the current numbers you need the virus to have started mid march. It didnt, i am being told that I had it post my visit to Northern Italy in the late winter. There is data showing it around since 11/17/19
There is ZERO evidence its as contagious as they say or that social distancing works. This theory is A: unprovable B. used by china and italy with not great outcomes. China used it , but was it to break protests or to stop the spread?


The CDC is releasing guidance to code any and every death as COVID, this means they need numbers to get close to their model. Except an increase in deaths, remind yourself to check the true deaths this time next year. It will be a 1/3rd of what they are saying.
I expect the country to be open before the end of April with useless guidance to wear a mask.
The issue is the borrowing of money and the police state. The "legalities" they are using are for diseases such as HIV/AIDS, NOT a flu or virus. Trouble is with the hype is getting a judge to help you.

They have a win win here. If no one dies they can take credit with ZERO proof. Funny how they think this works be HCQ not working. If people die they can say... we tried it would have been worse.

Lastly, this is why scientists can never make any decisions. This is like the US going to WAR! over NOK having a nuke. Using the logic .of REACT TO THE WORST CASE, that scientists and climate nuts say, we should be at war with at least 2 countries. Why? Because we cant accept the risk of an attack that would kill 400,000 to 7+ million.
Sound far fetched? Well this would do less damage to the economy than their STUPID over reaction here.

FLU cases in the USA:
36,000,0000----COVID19 1.5 MIllion wordlwide Flue worldwide 230,000,000-690,000,000 These numbers for flu are based off hospital reporting for flu tests in the USA and hospital reporting world wide
deaths in the USA 29,000 COVID Lets give them 25,000 less than reported with their made up numbers
Keep in mind, many flu related deaths are given a COD due to symptoms and not always a positive flu test. And of course there are some deaths that are flu cause and not recorded.

Just like there will be covid deaths not always reported as covid. It likely works out in the wash in the end.

Comparing covid to influenza will not be a valid argument until we have vaccines and immunities. Then we can compare it to influenza all we want as it’s in the same footing.

Also, your argument is a two way street. While you can they can’t prove social distancing works, you can’t prove it doesn’t. The only way to prove it would to be going to a free for all and hoping millions don’t die. It’s a catch 22 all the way around.
 

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Next.....

BILL GATES. This man has been desperate for a pandemic for years. He is funding this issue response eveyr step of the way. If you look in his scientific contribitions, they include human testing in Africa, sterilizing women. To prevent HIV spread his group performed surgeries on a group of males with a second control group. The control group was allowed to be sexually active while the surgery group was recovering from the surgery. The end results was the surgery group had significantly LESS cases of HIV/AIDS than the control group..... there was no credence given to the horrible controls used. The result was the surgery had PROFOUND impacts on the spread of HIV/AIDS resulting in the American pediatrics and medical ass. recommending as a way to reduce the spread of aids...... yup the fact one group was not sexually active for 6weeks while the other was, did not play into the conclusion like it should have.
He has mulitple "foundation" labs in africa where they are "researching" As great as this sounds guess who is going to own the CURE when its found??? Yup Bill gates.

IMHO he wants to win a Peace prize and will jump on any disease he can find until he gets the attention he wants.

EVERY GOVERNMENT in the world is using HIS models... which have been 8-15X wrong!! to guide their response to this self induced CRISIS.
I’m also going to refer you to forum rules in which it speaks about conspiracy theories and such.

If you want to continue to post your opinions, if they involve theories such as this, I’d advise you to link *credible* sources.
 

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maybe, or it might be better to toss out both NY and AM as statistical anomalies. nyc is really unlike any other city in the US.
Don't most statistic computations usually self identify and account for outliers?
NUMBERS and DATA first.....
FLU cases in the USA:
36,000,0000----COVID19 1.5 MIllion wordlwide Flue worldwide 230,000,000-690,000,000 These numbers for flu are based off hospital reporting for flu tests in the USA and hospital reporting world wide
deaths in the USA 29,000 COVID Lets give them 25,000 less than reported with their made up numbers Worldwide flu 200,000+

There are sections of AT RISK people that get crushed by this but last year the same odl group was smashed in previous years. On year there was an 8% fatality rate.

Yes COVD is possibly more deadly thant the flu for certain at risk people. It is less risky for other ages. These number above DO NOT warrant the reaction worldwide.


Ive been saying their DATA hasnt been right for weeks. If you want it to be more contagious than the influenza you need to have massive number right away... they dont. For the current numbers you need the virus to have started mid march. It didnt, i am being told that I had it post my visit to Northern Italy in the late winter. There is data showing it around since 11/17/19
There is ZERO evidence its as contagious as they say or that social distancing works. This theory is A: unprovable B. used by china and italy with not great outcomes. China used it , but was it to break protests or to stop the spread?


The CDC is releasing guidance to code any and every death as COVID, this means they need numbers to get close to their model. Except an increase in deaths, remind yourself to check the true deaths this time next year. It will be a 1/3rd of what they are saying.
I expect the country to be open before the end of April with useless guidance to wear a mask.
The issue is the borrowing of money and the police state. The "legalities" they are using are for diseases such as HIV/AIDS, NOT a flu or virus. Trouble is with the hype is getting a judge to help you.

They have a win win here. If no one dies they can take credit with ZERO proof. Funny how they think this works be HCQ not working. If people die they can say... we tried it would have been worse.

Lastly, this is why scientists can never make any decisions. This is like the US going to WAR! over NOK having a nuke. Using the logic .of REACT TO THE WORST CASE, that scientists and climate nuts say, we should be at war with at least 2 countries. Why? Because we cant accept the risk of an attack that would kill 400,000 to 7+ million.
Sound far fetched? Well this would do less damage to the economy than their STUPID over reaction here.

FLU cases in the USA:
36,000,0000----COVID19 1.5 MIllion wordlwide Flue worldwide 230,000,000-690,000,000 These numbers for flu are based off hospital reporting for flu tests in the USA and hospital reporting world wide
deaths in the USA 29,000 COVID Lets give them 25,000 less than reported with their made up numbers

According to WHO (world health organization) 3-5 million get influenza each year... seems to be a few extra zeros in your numbers.

Where are you getting your numbers?
 

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Interestingly enough, (Jacobson vs Mass) might actually prevent any action specifically targeting the at risk population for quarantine.

The ruling allows restrictions of rights for the greater good. But it mentions that specific classes and such may not be singled out. It doesn’t mentioned “protected classes” though I don’t believe that was a thing in 1905.

So, it *might* not be legal to say “hey, you’re obese with diabetes, you can’t come out the house.” Unless you could show they have a greater chance of spreading the virus.
This would however be more benefical to say " do what you want but you are highly likely to die if you have these issues XYZ, and go out, we recommend you stay home"
I do not think the response is legal, just getting a judge on your sid will be hard.
 
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This would however be more benefical to say " do what you want but you are highly likely to die if you have these issues XYZ, and go out, we recommend you stay home"
I do not think the response is legal, just getting a judge on your sid will be hard.
Typically if the response isn’t legal, it’s not hard to find a judge to side with you.

When you can’t find a judge, that’s typically indicative of something being legal.
 

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You people arguing about walking around. Lol

I'm going to the gun range because it is critical infrastructure.

Potus has spoken and your opinions are a mute point.

We have cut occupancy in half and closed every other lane to spread people out.

So go ahead and start your liberal crying it will fall on double earpro.
 
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You people arguing about walking around. Lol

I'm going to the gun range because it is critical infrastructure.

Potus has spoken and your opinions are a mute point.

We have cut occupancy in half and closed every other lane to spread people out.

So go ahead and start your liberal crying it will fall on double earpro.
Govn. closed all of our gun ranges here, but good for you. Have fun!
 

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I’m also going to refer you to forum rules in which it speaks about conspiracy theories and such.

If you want to continue to post your opinions, if they involve theories such as this, I’d advise you to link *credible* sources.
This is a rule? I thought conspiracy theories were required for posting in the Bear Pit.
 

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You people arguing about walking around. Lol

I'm going to the gun range because it is critical infrastructure.

Potus has spoken and your opinions are a mute point.

We have cut occupancy in half and closed every other lane to spread people out.

So go ahead and start your liberal crying it will fall on double earpro.
Now which one of the kings slaves are going to tell this freeman he can’t goto the range and walk around or do whatever the hell he wants as long as it within the Law, not rule?
 

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Your "zero evidence that social distancing works" needs further investigation.
You cant prove it doesnt, when other known prophylaxis to viral infections prove distancing does work.

American Samoa, the current evidentiary, of social distancing, no carrier breached their zone, has 0 cases, 0 deaths.

Your absolute statement only reinforces the adage, the only absolute is, there are no absolutes.
 

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Seems to be an evolving theory that covid doesn’t actually produce pneumonia or ards. Just the symptoms and the lung damage mimic those two. A ventilator might not be the correct treatment. Would start to make sense why only ~15% who go on a ventilator actually make it off alive.

*If* this is the case, puts a step closer to a more effective treatment.
Came across this during my bedtime reading last night:


As I understand things, the attack on hemoglobin destroys the ability of the blood to carry O2, and the lung disease is simply a viscous side-effect of the iron ions that are displaced.
 
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Don't most statistic computations usually self identify and account for outliers?



According to WHO (world health organization) 3-5 million get influenza each year... seems to be a few extra zeros in your numbers.

Where are you getting your numbers?
You source actually said "The World Health Organization estimates that worldwide, annual influenza epidemics result in about 3-5 million cases of severe illness and about 250,000 to 500,000 deaths.

According to Johns Hopkins University, there are an estimated 1 billion flu cases worldwide, and there are 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year. Last year, there were 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide because of the flu, and there are 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year, according to Johns Hopkins University.
CDC.....






 
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Govn. closed all of our gun ranges here, but good for you. Have fun!
We can all hope your governor finds absolution for his/her choice, in the next life, just sayin.
Was that ugly ? Oops....
Our thoughts are with you under that restriction.
Best to you Brother !
 
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Your "zero evidence that social distancing works" needs further investigation.
You cant prove it doesnt, when other known prophylaxis to viral infections prove distancing does work.

American Samoa, the current evidentiary, of social distancing, no carrier breached their zone, has 0 cases, 0 deaths.

Your absolute statement only reinforces the adage, the only absolute is, there are no absolutes.
Yet where are your controls? Was there any people from infected countries incoming to the country? There are a number of countries that have NOT done social distancing.
Also the reports from china was the disease is contagious past 15 feet. So why 6ft. The point is there is zero proof either side, so this better safe than sorry concept at the cost of crushing an economy? So do we crush the economy of random countries on a better safe than sorry? Generally speaking NO.
 

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Yet where are your controls? Was there any people from infected countries incoming to the country? There are a number of countries that have NOT done social distancing.
Also the reports from china was the disease is contagious past 15 feet. So why 6ft. The point is there is zero proof either side, so this better safe than sorry concept at the cost of crushing an economy? So do we crush the economy of random countries on a better safe than sorry? Generally speaking NO.
To be fair, this is the first instance of an unknown virus spreading this fast.

So, everything we do, no matter what, will not be based on any modern experiences.
 
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Typically if the response isn’t legal, it’s not hard to find a judge to side with you.

When you can’t find a judge, that’s typically indicative of something being legal.
Thats completely untrue. The point is you can only judge shop to a point. Go to cali and tell me you want to be infront of the 9th circuit. The entire point of appeals and higher courts are to correct exactly that. Im guessing people feel that this will be over by the time their can appeal to a court willing to enforce the constitution. Read the 2nd amendment and tell me the founders meant to say you can bear arms if you you go get a permit then pass a class then ask your local or state PD or governor to carry it????
 
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I would urge you to read the rules as well, Dthomas3523. If you are advocating COVID is actually a credible threat, that is a conspiracy itself. Prove that it isn't? Oh yeah, the threat isn't based off of what did happen, your theories are based off of "what could happen".
Luckily, one of the two of us gets to interpret the rules.
 
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i don't really trust CDC numbers.
they claim that 39 million americans had the flu this season, BUT
of 1.2 million tests, only 242k were positive (20%) and 24k died (10% of positive tests).
assuming only the patients with the worst flu symptoms are tested by their doctor, and 4 of 5 don't have the flu, how do they arrive at 39 million?
 

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Thats completely untrue. The point is you can only judge shop to a point. Go to cali and tell me you want to be infront of the 9th circuit. The entire point of appeals and higher courts are to correct exactly that. Im guessing people feel that this will be over by the time their can appeal to a court willing to enforce the constitution. Read the 2nd amendment and tell me the founders meant to say you can bear arms if you you go get a permit then pass a class then ask your local or state PD or governor to carry it????
I’d advise you to re-educate yourself on the American court system. The appeals process doesn’t stop with the 9th circuit.

You can judge shop all the way up to the SCOTUS.
 

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Came across this during my bedtime reading last night:


As I understand things, the attack on hemoglobin destroys the ability of the blood to carry O2, and the lung disease is simply a viscous side-effect of the iron ions that are displaced.
That is an interesting paper, but there are some issues with it. I haven't seen data yet for the hemoglobin dissociation curve in severe COVID patients, but if this paper is correct, it should be shifted significantly. I've heard this isn't the case. Also, how the virus would get into blood cells is unclear, given that they don't express the ACE receptor needed for viral entry. Finally, it would not explain the coagulation dysfunction also seen in severe cases.
 
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If it is going to help to keep this shit from spreading by keeping you from spewing your lungs all over everyone you meet because you are infected and don't even know it, fuckin right you shouldn't be walking around.

Sit in your yard by yourself in case, to get this under control. If some of the beach bunnies & bench warmers & kids thinking it's cool to drink with hundreds of other idiots would have stayed inside when this started
We might have saved some lives. Some of you act like your paranoid skitzos. Sit tight for a spell, big fuckin woop.
So yo are willing to forfeit our collective rights in general, and are comfortable with them being re-classified as privileges which are subject to government permission?

Do you not see how these temporary measures have a way of becoming permanent?

Do you not see how many rights we have already lost after 911?
 
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Don't most statistic computations usually self identify and account for outliers?



According to WHO (world health organization) 3-5 million get influenza each year... seems to be a few extra zeros in your numbers.

Where are you getting your numbers?
Say what? CDC shows we had 45, and then 35 million cases in the US alone for the last two flu seasons respectively. I think you are MISSING a few zeros.
 

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I would urge you to read the rules as well, Dthomas3523. If you are advocating COVID is actually a credible threat, that is a conspiracy itself. Prove that it isn't? Oh yeah, the threat isn't based off of what did happen, your theories are based off of "what could happen".
LOL.
 

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Say what? CDC shows we had 45, and then 35 million cases in the US alone for the last two flu seasons respectively. I think you are MISSING a few zeros.
490,000 hospitalized and 34,000 deaths is what they actually know... other numbers you're quoting are pure guesses based on the thought 95% won't seek professional care.
 

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I’d urge you to listen to the medical professionals all over the planet then.
I guess you missed the previous 20+ pages where the hide experts chimed in with their stances bolstered by statistics they cannot defend with their own coherent research, taken from sources they say they don’t trust.
PhD/Md level educated personnel, medical workers and civic duty to the greater good will save the day, not a tinfoil hat and plate carrier.
 

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Interesting you say this.

Why shouldn’t we be walking around?

Because everyone fears death from the Wuhan virus? Or perhaps because we fear being persecuted for unlawful rules from the governors?

Or is it just about the lust of control from the “do what I say slaves”?
Why not walk around ? Read- I said if you have the virus and don't know it you shouldn't be walking around coughing your lungs out around people. If Tested safe go for it. Read on my son.

I live in the sticks, 140 acres nobody around. Honestly I couldn't live like a lot of you guys here. I go out everyday.
I just don't go anywhere off the farm. Nobody comes here and hacks away either, Gov is going to let us fish & hunt etc.
But if I did live in a city I would hope people would use common sense.
 

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490,000 hospitalized and 34,000 deaths is what they actually know... other numbers you're quoting are pure guesses based on the thought 95% won't seek professional care.
actually, according to the CDC's numbers (242k positive tests out of 39 million infected) only 1 out of 161 people that actually have the flu is tested.
 

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Yet where are your controls? Was there any people from infected countries incoming to the country? There are a number of countries that have NOT done social distancing.
Also the reports from china was the disease is contagious past 15 feet. So why 6ft. The point is there is zero proof either side, so this better safe than sorry concept at the cost of crushing an economy? So do we crush the economy of random countries on a better safe than sorry? Generally speaking NO.
In a new and untested contagion, controls have not been established. Therefore, there are none.

In the absence of them, all previous viral infectious disease methodologies are tried, to find a new standard.
As the disease progresses, and more data is inputted, certain old methodologies work better than others. The china distance of 15 feet you mention, is but one new piece of data to input.

If it worked for them and stopped the spread, ok.
If 6-8' works here, ok. But, more data would be nice.

All viral disease prophylaxis currently working is a combination of distancing, barrier, and decontamination. The lack of cases where those three are rigorously practiced in the midst of confirmed cases proves it's working when those not practicing such have the highest number of infection. Ok.

Right or wrong, the prophylaxis crushing an economy? There are always unintended consequences to every action.
If the prophylaxis saves enough people, those people can recover "an economy" but maybe not the same economy b4.

If the prophylaxis fails to save enough people, it can crush the economy beyond repair.

Perhaps the current economy is broken and needs the reset. Perhaps this virus is the reset needed. Certain "theory thinkers" believe this and believe the survivors and replaced recovered economy will be stronger and better for all.

Your personal losses may be much greater than mine right now, creating a level of uncertainty in you than I wont have, TODAY.
Tomorrow we may both be homeless. Tomorrow isnt here yet.

In any case, we all have to wait and see just where we are when the fat lady sings.

Right now, distancing, barrier, and decontamination is working fine in my home, my community, my county, my state, and my region. Numbers and conditions currently support it.

The economy here is still viable except to the cash strapped, and that has been covered in other topics on the Hide in the covid discussions. The cash strapped people and business crashes were inevitable and could be triggered by any form of disaster. Again, unintended consequences we have to take in stride and recover from.
And, that, has been our reality from the start, b4 covid.
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I bet there's 40 different conspiracy theories floating in the forum right now. I bet you can find some in the bolt action forum. I am sure someone is spreading some kinda voo Doo bullshit about the 6.5 crudmoore this very minute.
In all the years of reading here I have never seen a warning on this. Not even during that bullshit lawsuit.
What's up with that? Did the name wrinkle you wrongly?
I ain't starting a pissing match cuz you have the authority here and can just shut me down. But I think that warning was a bit fucked up.
I said my piece and that's it from me.
 

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In a new and untested contagion, controls have not been established. Therefore, there are none.

In the absence of them, all previous viral infectious disease methodologies are tried, to find a new standard.
As the disease progresses, and more data is inputted, certain old methodologies work better than others. The china distance of 15 feet you mention, is but one new piece of data to input.

If it worked for them and stopped the spread, ok.
If 6-8' works here, ok. But, more data would be nice.

All viral disease prophylaxis currently working is a combination of distancing, barrier, and decontamination. The lack of cases where those three are rigorously practiced in the midst of confirmed cases proves it's working when those not practicing such have the highest number of infection. Ok.

Right or wrong, the prophylaxis crushing an economy? There are always unintended consequences to every action.
If the prophylaxis saves enough people, those people can recover "an economy" but maybe not the same economy b4.

If the prophylaxis fails to save enough people, it can crush the economy beyond repair.

Perhaps the current economy is broken and needs the reset. Perhaps this virus is the reset needed. Certain "theory thinkers" believe this and believe the survivors and replaced recovered economy will be stronger and better for all.

Your personal losses may be much greater than mine right now, creating a level of uncertainty in you than I wont have, TODAY.
Tomorrow we may both be homeless. Tomorrow isnt here yet.

In any case, we all have to wait and see just where we are when the fat lady sings.

Right now, distancing, barrier, and decontamination is working fine in my home, my community, my county, my state, and my region. Numbers and conditions currently support it.

The economy here is still viable except to the cash strapped, and that has been covered in other topics on the Hide in the covid discussions. The cash strapped people and business crashes were inevitable and could be triggered by any form of disaster. Again, unintended consequences we have to take in stride and recover from.
And, that, has been our reality from the start, b4 covid.
VR
Probably the best synopsis of the current state I’ve read
 

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490,000 hospitalized and 34,000 deaths is what they actually know... other numbers you're quoting are pure guesses based on the thought 95% won't seek professional care.
Wait, you're saying that WHO says only 5 mil cases of flu a year and we believe that, our own CDC says 35-45 mil and we shouldn't believe that??

You didn't even interpret your own numbers correctly. They said 3-5 million cases of SEVERE ILLNESS, due to flu, not total cases of flu. They also said 290-650K deaths, which would compute to a 9-10% mortality rate if you were correct - far worse than the worst average mortality estimates for C-19!
 
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490,000 hospitalized and 34,000 deaths is what they actually know... other numbers you're quoting are pure guesses based on the thought 95% won't seek professional care.
read your numbers and tell me how that proves that COVID which has been documented to be around since 11/17/19 is more deadly.
 

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Wait, you're saying that WHO says only 5 mil cases of flu a year and we believe that, our own CDC says 35-45 mil and we shouldn't believe that??
NO he took out the most important part that the WHO says 5 million SEVERE!!!! cases. The 35-45 mil are US cases with 400k documented hospitalizations
 

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I’d advise you to re-educate yourself on the American court system. The appeals process doesn’t stop with the 9th circuit.

You can judge shop all the way up to the SCOTUS.
thats what i said! I said thats why you can APPEAL because just because you cant find a judge that will agree doesnt make them legally correct. It means to you need to appeal to get around the initial judge. you are trying to take my argument.
YOu said if you cant find a judge to agree it probably means you have no legal standing. I retorted that thats why thereare appeal courts.

In This case the appeal would last longer than the the order to stay at home making it not worth it
 

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thats what i said! I said thats why you can APPEAL because just because you cant find a judge that will agree doesnt make them legally correct. It means to you need to appeal to get around the initial judge. you are trying to take my argument.
YOu said if you cant find a judge to agree it probably means you have no legal standing. I retorted that thats why thereare appeal courts.

In This case the appeal would last longer than the the order to stay at home making it not worth it
Appealing *IS* part the process of finding a judge.

Also, you are incorrect in the worth. Case law is always worth it. In the event something similar happens again, there is already case law to guide lawmakers. As it stands, we are using a ruling from 1905 basically.
 

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Why not walk around ? Read- I said if you have the virus and don't know it you shouldn't be walking around coughing your lungs out around people. If Tested safe go for it. Read on my son.

I live in the sticks, 140 acres nobody around. Honestly I couldn't live like a lot of you guys here. I go out everyday.
I just don't go anywhere off the farm. Nobody comes here and hacks away either, Gov is going to let us fish & hunt etc.
But if I did live in a city I would hope people would use common sense.
Why should I have to shed my 4th to be “granted permission” to walk around?

But what happens when you need to leave your farm? You could be possibly infected and unintentionally infecting others. Regardless of what you are leaving for. That should be only your business. Should you be forced to prove your not guilty of these infected accusations before “granted permission “ to leave your land?

Should you also be subjected to these government crimes that say you can’t walk around and should be forced indoors?

The problem is we have instantly hid underneath the hand of government to save us from this. All it is doing is allowing governors to act outside their authority. Which is far more dangerous than the wuhan flu.

Authoritarian regimes have killed far more people than the Wuhan crud