Re: Vortex PST Issue - Debris in Reticle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jeffersonv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Negative comments from fdkay on the PST in this forum have been boringly consistent since before their release. If he had one it might make more sense. </div></div>
I made no negative comments in this post, I did comment on the fact that they have a record of issues. That is the truth, not negativity or bashing.<span style="color: #FF0000">What "record of issues"? All companies have issues of some sort.(I found that out while waiting on my first Premier, and while waiting on 2 Zeiss returns, and when USO was replacing a scope because of debris. They HOOKED me up when they did so as well)The important part is that they have a relatively low percentage of issues, and critically how well they handle them. Vortex does very well at this.</span>
I guess you missed several of my posts where I recommended that people consider the Vortex PST's in their choice?<span style="color: #FF0000">Say what you want to try and obfuscate it, but the only reason I even recognize your user name is because you consistently imply Vortex is not a good value or is somehow less desirable than XX, in post after post. I doubt I am the only one. either.</span>
My contention was that the OP should not smack his scope on a phone book without first talking to Vortex.<span style="color: #FF0000">Fine, then you could have simply stated "Hey OP, before smacking a scope on a phone book, you should contact the mfg of said optic. Instead, you passive-aggressively implied that Vortex scopes shouldnt be banged, not the high dollar optics. Implication obvious"</span>
FWIW, I wanted to buy a PST, but after being a year behind schedule, I got something else.<span style="color: #FF0000">Waiting for high demand items is part of the game, and shouldnt necessarily engender negativity toward the mfg. It just happens sometimes. (Ask my buddy who is waiting for his Snipers Hide rifle build from last year, I think. Hell maybe it is the 09 build, I cant remember but I am sure there are plenty here who do remember. Apparently the guy building those is having all kinds of delays)</span>
That does NOT mean I would not buy one in the future but personally, I would MUCH rather buy a scope made in Japan than one made in the Philippines.<span style="color: #FF0000">Why?</span>
I tire of the fanboyism when they refuse to see the faults that are there.<span style="color: #FF0000">Everyone tires of fanboyism, personally, I just ignore fanboys. But I am also careful to make sure someone is a fanboy, as opposed to someone who just happens to know more about something than I do. Also, I tire of dilettante's. We need a word that is the opposite of fanboy. People who, for whatever reason, dislike a product and go out of their way to make sure and voice their dislike of said product in every thread they can, but try to appear impartial. Hoping to make others think they have really given said product a fair shake, but just cant, in good conscience, advocate the product. LOL. </span>
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<span style="color: #FF0000">We get it. You dont like Vortex PST's, but yes you do.
Just dont dare let anyone compare them to scopes of true quality, in your mind.
I am one of those guys you refer to as a fanboy. But the background info you seem to miss is this. I own, and have owned and used a lot, scopes in every price range I can afford. The only elite scope I havent owned is a Hensoldt, but likely will one day, because they seem so fucking bad ass. Do I need $3200 scopes? Nope, I just like the shit out of them.
I am not stupid enough to expect an $850 PST to be as overbuilt internally as a Schmidt or Hensoldt. That would be stupid. I do however fully believe they are internally just as superb a value as they are optically, mechanically, and in every other way.
After owning 4 now, I am putting off any more high dollar optics purchases because for me the PST does everything my Schmidt's, USO's, Premier's, etc can do for me. They work perfectly and I can buy 3-4 PST's for every high dollar piece of glass. (This is what separates me from a fanboy. When you see me glowingly praise the PST for delivering not only superb value, but also a very high end overall product, I do so because I have compared the PST's to the $3000 scopes in the environments in which I use them, and have realized for my purposes the PST is exactly what I claim it is. Not fanboyism when it is fact. I dont fight with my rifles, nor are lives on the line, but I have no reason to doubt that the PST wont ultimately become fully trusted in these roles as well for those who need this)
For many members here, this is the case. So, it is annoying to see you pop up in every PST thread attempting to make sure everyone keeps the PST's in the blue light special category in which you seem to think they belong.
Of course there are differences between the PST's and the 3K scopes. Duh. But the point that many people experienced with both PST's AND $3K scopes are trying to make is, is that the PST's are delivering all the performance that 95% of us need at a fraction of the cost. And they do so with superb clarity, accuracy, warranty, fit/finish and overall quality. You are not giving up much but you are saving enough to buy 3 more superb optics to outfit other rifles, or use to buy more ammo to train, or go to Rifles Only, etc.. They are great values that are great for us as optics buyers.
No product is going to be everyone's favorite, and assuming you have put your time in behind the PST, you have every right to be less impressed by them than I and a lot of others are. But to go out of your way to pop up in nearly every thread where someone posts something positive about their new scope that they are proud of just makes you look like an ass IMO.
PST proved it could be done. Now step aside and watch the market flood with great values. That is what competition does bro.</span>
