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US Army takes some cues from the Marines....

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    Well, it's about fucking time. I can't tell you how many sloppy, undisciplined, shitbird soldiers I've come across (cue AJ and his crusty rebuttals)... :)

    https://taskandpurpose.com/army-basic-training-overhaul/


    The Army Plans On Overhauling Basic Training To Focus On More ‘Disciplined, Physically Fit’ Soldiers

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    COREY DICKSTEIN, STARS AND STRIPES
    on February 10, 2018
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    The Army will soon overhaul its Basic Combat Training course in an effort to produce fitter, more disciplined and better motivated new soldiers, the general in charge of entrance training said Friday.


    The Army will hold recruits to higher physical fitness standards, send them on more realistic combat training exercises and increase its efforts to teach basic skills such as first aid, arm signal communication and shooting rifles using only iron sights, said Maj. Gen. Malcolm Frost, the commander of the Army’s Center for Initial Military Training.

    “First unit assignment leaders want initial entry training to deliver disciplined, physically fit new soldiers who are willing to learn, who are mentally tough, professional and who are proud to serve in the United States Army,” Frost said. “The bottom line is that when you graduate Basic Combat Training, you are supposed to be ready for your first unit assignment [and] to be ready to step on a plane and go to combat.”
    The changes are expected to go into effect before the fiscal year ends in October. They come as the Army looks to recruit some 15,000 new soldiers to increase its force during the coming year.

    Through the past three years, the Army polled more than 27,000 of its noncommissioned officers, warrant officers and officers in the ranks of second lieutenant to colonel, asking them to identify deficiencies they have observed among the service’s newest soldiers.
    What Frost found was leaders primarily concerned with a lack of discipline among those soldiers reporting to their first units. The general said the surveys indicated a trend in new soldiers reporting with less-than-stellar work ethics and bad habits such as arriving late for duty or wearing their uniforms sloppily. Other concerns included soldiers who have issues following orders and obeying and showing respect for their superiors, he said.
    “There is too much a sense of entitlement,” Frost said. “This is about taking ownership and taking pride in the work.”
    To incorporate better discipline, the Army will increase its focus in basic training on indoctrinating soldiers on Army values and evaluate them on their discipline.
    Recruits will undergo bunk inspections, participate in drill and ceremony competitions and face tests on their knowledge of the Army’s history.
    Frost said the focus on the Army’s long history is meant to build espirit de corps, teaching the service’s values through lessons on pivotal battles from the Revolutionary War to the capture of Baghdad from Saddam Hussein’s forces in the Army’s 2003 Thunder Runs across Iraq.
    They will largely focus on individual acts of valor in past battles to instill in recruits “what it means to be a United States Army soldier” and connect them with the service’s heritage, he said.

    The increased physical fitness standards will align with ones required of soldiers in the force. That means recruits must score 60 points — determined by a soldier’s age and gender — on each of the three aspects of the Army Physical Fitness Test, push-ups, sit-ups and two-mile runs. Previously recruits only needed to score 50 points on each test in basic training, Frost said.
    To aid recruits in achieving the more stringent fitness requirements and to better prepare them for combat, the Army will increase the amount of time recruits spend in the field and boost combatants training from 22 hours to 33 hours during the 10-week course.
    The final training exercise — called the Forge — will be among the changes that include combat-specific tasks. The 81-hour exercise will consist of a 40-mile road march with tasks along the way, including a medical evacuation exercise, a night infiltration, a mission to resupply troops, an obstacle course and patrols “very much like what they could see in combat,” Frost said.
    The overhauled Basic Combat Training course has been tested for several months at Fort Jackson in South Carolina with “a lot of success,” the general said Friday.
    “We are simply trying to instill some pride, a little bit of grit and resilience in basic combat training there,” Frost said. “It’s not that we’re going back to shining boots, and having drill and ceremony as a predominant aspect of basic training. We’re not. But what we are doing is we are creeping some of that back in — we’re trying to do things the right way.”
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    But wait.....Diversity.....
    The increased physical fitness standards will align with ones required of soldiers in the force. That means recruits must score 60 points — determined by a soldier’s age and gender
     
    It looks like they are going back to normal Army standards, dont know what the fuck the Marines have to do with this. Now if they were going to try to subtract IQ points or teach them how to buttfuck squids or reject new technology and better weapons, then I would say they are taking cues from the Marines. Thanks for the article though, you shouldn't worry, Big Green will always be there for the Marines when the going gets tough and you might have to stay in theater more than a few weeks.,
     
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    It looks like they are going back to normal Army standards, dont know what the fuck the Marines have to do with this. Now if they were going to try to subtract IQ points or teach them how to buttfuck squids or reject new technology and better weapons, then I would say they are taking cues from the Marines. Thanks for the article though, you shouldn't worry, Big Green will always be there for the Marines when the going gets tough and you might have to stay in theater more than a few weeks.,

    LOL! Right on cue... :p
     
    "The Forge"? Hmm, where have I heard of something similar. I wonder... https://www.mcrdpi.marines.mil/Recruit-Training/Crucible/

    As for intelligence, Army is three points shy of USMC on average AFQT, 59 to 62 respectively, but we both get spanked by Navy and AF at 67 and 70. https://calhoun.nps.edu/bitstream/handle/10945/48524/16Mar_Gaster_John.pdf?sequence=1

    Enough service rivalry talk though, we all have different missions on the battlefield and all do them for God, Country and Corps.

    Any way that we can make our services more effective in combat is a good thing. When you have a large uptick in recruiting numbers and have to push more through, you're always going to get a lower level of result. The GWOT era of increased numbers had its effect on both Army and the Corps, that's for certain, and the dark years of a coddled Obama era DoD also had its ramifications.

    Snapping these kids into shape isn't easy, I wish the best for those Drill Instructors and Sergeants; make it rain in those squad bays with the sweat and tears of the coddled as you make boys and girls into men and women. Just don't intermix those, taxpayer dollars don't need to go to giving some gender confused fuck free elective surgery for a psychological disorder that should bar them from service in the first place.
     
    Enough service rivalry talk though, we all have different missions on the battlefield and all do them for God, Country and Corps.

    Totally agree. My post was more "tongue in cheek" than anything. I figured that since yesterday was the Army's birthday and all (and no one even mentioned it), I'd give AJ a reason to extol the virtues of the Army by yanking his chain (all in fun of course). :)
     
    At our VFW Post, the marine contingent is about 50% of membership. There is some very friendly rivalry. Yesterday were celebrated Army Day, cut the cake according to protocol (essentially identical to Nov 10), and even sang Happy Birthday for our CinC. The Post commander, retired Army, thanked the Marines especially for coming out and helping the Army celebrate. All of us at the post and nearly all of us here at SH get it; what helps one service helps all, and what hurts one service hurts all.

    Greg
     
    Long overdue,


    "The Forge"? Hmm, where have I heard of something similar. I wonder... https://www.mcrdpi.marines.mil/Recruit-Training/Crucible/

    As for intelligence, Army is three points shy of USMC on average AFQT, 59 to 62 respectively, but we both get spanked by Navy and AF at 67 and 70. https://calhoun.nps.edu/bitstream/handle/10945/48524/16Mar_Gaster_John.pdf?sequence=1

    Enough service rivalry talk though, we all have different missions on the battlefield and all do them for God, Country and Corps.

    Any way that we can make our services more effective in combat is a good thing. When you have a large uptick in recruiting numbers and have to push more through, you're always going to get a lower level of result. The GWOT era of increased numbers had its effect on both Army and the Corps, that's for certain, and the dark years of a coddled Obama era DoD also had its ramifications.

    Snapping these kids into shape isn't easy, I wish the best for those Drill Instructors and Sergeants; make it rain in those squad bays with the sweat and tears of the coddled as you make boys and girls into men and women. Just don't intermix those, taxpayer dollars don't need to go to giving some gender confused fuck free elective surgery for a psychological disorder that should bar them from service in the first place.