US Army's new scopes for the next gen. assault rifle

[Eric B.]

I see on YouTube in two "Task & Purpose" videos that Vortex, L3 Harris and Leupold are developing "fire control system" scopes. These scopes for the next gen. 6.8 Whatever cartridge have multiple sensors including station pressure, temperature, laser rangefinder, and firing angle to give a firing solution that is nearly dead-on.

So... basically a scope that puts the Burris Eliminator III scope to shame. IS THIS REALLY TRUE? If so what is known about them at present?

 

[TheHorta]

Been out for a while now.

Vortex Gets Green Light for Army's Next Gen Squad Weapon Optic :: Guns.com

Wisconsin-based Vortex Optics announced Monday they have entered into an agreement with the U.S. Army an agreement to deliver a component of the service's Next Generation Squad Weapon.

www.guns.com

 

[ghostrider272]

Should be interesting...

 

[candyx]

Bad Ass looking scope , will they offer it to the civilian market though.

 

[TheHorta]

Bad Ass looking scope , will they offer it to the civilian market though.

No.

 

[candyx]

No.

What will be the price point 20K - 30K per scope or more ?

 

[Tokay444]

What will be the price point 20K - 30K per scope or more ?

Yeah, but think of the warranty.

 

[TheHorta]

What will be the price point 20K - 30K per scope or more ?

Under $6K per in quantity. Volume Production target is under $4K/per.

 

[theLBC]

sig kilo already lights up a dot in the scope for the shot, just not all built into the scope.

 

[Huskydriver]

Bad Ass looking scope , will they offer it to the civilian market though.

Won't help you or your rifle shoot any better if your running an mrad that at best gets half what an AI gets for group size

 

[TheHorta]

Won't help you or your rifle shoot any better if your running an mrad that at best gets half what an AI gets for group size

It’s made for the NGSW, which is intended to be the replacement for the M4. They don’t care (much) about tight groups (especially at 8x max magnification).

The party piece is the disturbed reticle. Everyone should want one of those!

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

Notice the "type" of contract award that was for......

Was/Is for OTA contract which essentially means the Gov funds part of the R&D....BUT in no means obligated to purchase the final product vortex comes up with.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[fdkay]

Won't help you or your rifle shoot any better if your running an mrad that at best gets half what an AI gets for group size

Shooting a group half the size of one shot by an AI is a good thing.

 

[308pirate]

No.

Maybe they won't, but that technology is already available to us from others

M7Xi IFS 4-28x56 | Steiner Optics (steiner-optics.com)

M8Xi IFS 1-8x24 | Steiner Optics (steiner-optics.com)

 

[TheHorta]

Maybe they won't, but that technology is already available to us from others

M7Xi IFS 4-28x56 | Steiner Optics (steiner-optics.com)

M8Xi IFS 1-8x24 | Steiner Optics (steiner-optics.com)

AND I can use the Steiners when I deploy from my sub at 60 feet!

Thanks, 308pirate!

 

[SRPowah]

Maybe they won't, but that technology is already available to us from others

We may get similar tech, but people always want exactly what the army has because airsoft, video games, or its what they used when enlisted. We have access to the wild Horus reticles but we will likely never see Army's newest screen reticle on the civ market.

 

[lariat]

Is Tracking Point still around?

 

[pmclaine]

will they offer it to the civilian market though.

In single shot shot gun version........

 

[The King]

AND I can use the Steiners when I deploy from my sub at 60 feet!

Thanks, 308pirate!

The main issue is only @TheGerman can understand what the buttons do on the steiner.

What does Arsch-Ficken even mean? And why do both of the scope caps on the Steiner shut with a motorized whine when I push that button?

 

[Choid]

The steiners work great and are easy to use. No disturbed reticle, you dial to distance.

 

[TheHorta]

The steiners work great and are easy to use. No disturbed reticle, you dial to distance.

You ain’t woke. You got no disturbed reticle.

 

[Choid]

You ain’t woke. You got no disturbed reticle.

Wokest on the Hide, bro. Like tallest midget.

 

[308pirate]

AND I can use the Steiners when I deploy from my sub at 60 feet!

Thanks, 308pirate!

 

[308pirate]

We may get similar tech, but people always want exactly what the army has because airsoft, video games, or its what they used when enlisted. We have access to the wild Horus reticles but we will likely never see Army's newest screen reticle on the civ market.

I get it. I only give a crap about effectiveness. Larping is of no interest.

 

[stefan73]

The main issue is only @TheGerman can understand what the buttons do on the steiner.

What does Arsch-Ficken even mean? And why do both of the scope caps on the Steiner shut with a motorized whine when I push that button?

Oh boy, putting D's to A's

 

[stefan73]

Anyways, looks interesting.

 

[The King]

Oh boy, putting D's to A's

Goddamnit - is that why it’s painted off brown?

 

[Mike_Honcho]

Hi,

Notice the "type" of contract award that was for......

Was/Is for OTA contract which essentially means the Gov funds part of the R&D....BUT in no means obligated to purchase the final product vortex comes up with.

Sincerely,
Theis

(Typically) Who owns and has economic rights to the product of work in such an arrangement?

 

[Zane1844]

Think about the typical grunt trying to figure that thing out.

“hey sarnt...I lost my scope..”

 

[stefan73]

For some people simple is better, in some instances simple is better. Fast engagements don't provide you with the opportunity to start dorking with buttons and stuff. There are instances where it would have been handy but still not effective (bad guy was using plunging fire from about 2100 meters mountain top) using PKM's. Our mortars eventually fixed the problem but that took a little bit of time.

I wonder how items like that would survive in the Arctic?

 

[AFGWS]

Think about the typical grunt trying to figure that thing out.

“hey sarnt...I lost my scope..”

I'm pretty sure this is the best post in this thread, because it's highly accurate.

 

[THEIS]

(Typically) Who owns and has economic rights to the product of work in such an arrangement?

Hi,

It appears in this scenario the Army's PM Soldier Weapons Group "owns" the technology and Vortex is building a car to house it.
BUT I have not dove off into the in's/out's of the agreement.

The "details" of the agreement most definitely will be significantly more length than anyone wants to read in a forum thread for sure, lol.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[Lowlight]

If you look at the Trijicon Ventus, the Wind system, they tested the initial system for that in 2007 at Rifles Only with us ...

So it was 12 years from the initial field shooting of a project to something hitting the street, like the Ventus, which is still not really in production.

They do this all the time, it's how certain companies in the past would claim military contracts for scopes everyone knows nobody used. They submit them, let guys play with them, and then claim military use.

Not as bad as it was, but coming out of the 90s you had tons of contract scopes

 

[TheHorta]

For some people simple is better, in some instances simple is better. Fast engagements don't provide you with the opportunity to start dorking with buttons and stuff. There are instances where it would have been handy but still not effective (bad guy was using plunging fire from about 2100 meters mountain top) using PKM's. Our mortars eventually fixed the problem but that took a little bit of time.

I wonder how items like that would survive in the Arctic?

Ain’t much GWOT in the Arctic.

 

[stefan73]

Ain’t much GWOT in the Arctic.

No, but we have a few bases and train up there. Coldest I saw in Fairbanks was a few days of -65F. Training in that tends to destroy a lot of things to include my BDE CDR's 4 tires when they froze and he spun the rims in the tires resulting in 4 flats and new tires (he was not happy).

 

[TurboTrout]

They put it on a scar to make it seem smaller?
For a 1-8 that thing is yuuuuuge

nope

seems better

 

[TurboTrout]

I have the scope that does all of that except range... and for that you just add in a Rafius/SRF/Raptar etc

It’s called the steiner IFS. Great scope. I have one of 3 in the nation of the 1-8 variant... apparently not much interest for a $6200 LPVO so they aren’t importing them..
I’ll post pics later ..

Isn’t the ranging the biggest factor in the ballistic solution?

 

[The King]

They put it on a scar to make it seem smaller?
For a 1-8 that thing is yuuuuuge

nope

seems better

It isn’t too objectionable as a 1-8 and a mount and a laser. and if they were smart it would have the nv laser,illum in there too.

 

[Choid]

It isn’t too objectionable as a 1-8 and a mount and a laser. and if they were smart it would have the nv laser,illum in there too.

It would be awesome if it could hold a chupacabra too.

 

[The King]

It would be awesome if it could hold a chupacabra too.

I want it to replace the 203 as my field fleshlight. chicks always ask about the rifling marks on my cock and it gets weird fast.

 

[TheHorta]

It would be awesome if it could hold a chupacabra too.

In a small cage, so it could be set free for nighttime recon.

 

[TurboTrout]

In a small cage, so it could be set free for nighttime recon.

I’m sure giselle has a mount option for this

 

[glock24]

What do you guys think? About 85 ounces with a battery?

 

[The King]

What do you guy think? About 85 ounces with a battery?

It runs on a piece of plutonium the size of a cigar.

 

[stefan73]

It runs on a piece of plutonium the size of a cigar.

I heard it used unicorn tears

 

[_Windrider_]

Been out for a while now.

Vortex Gets Green Light for Army's Next Gen Squad Weapon Optic :: Guns.com

Wisconsin-based Vortex Optics announced Monday they have entered into an agreement with the U.S. Army an agreement to deliver a component of the service's Next Generation Squad Weapon.

www.guns.com

this is for the next gen Squad Machine Gun not battle rifle.

 

[TheHorta]

this is for the next gen Squad Machine Gun not battle rifle.

It’s for what I say it is, plebian. Now get back in your hole.

 

[The King]

I heard it used unicorn tears

What do you think unicorn tears are when they dry? The Manhattan project was an elaborate ruse to genocide the final unicorns for their tear ducts.

When we need to make new weapons we just clone a few more. Then fatten them up and murder them.

The Russians never figured this out. But I won’t tell the joke I was going to about them, and seeing the jokes I do tell...it was a doozy.

 

[Choid]

What do you think unicorn tears are when they dry? The Manhattan project was an elaborate ruse to genocide the final unicorns for their tear ducts.

When we need to make new weapons we just clone a few more. Then fatten them up and murder them.

The Russians never figured this out. But I won’t tell the joke I was going to about them, and seeing the jokes I do tell...it was a doozy.

Seriously, dude? This is going to be the next meme in the Bear Pit from the guy who thought Delta Force captured the head of the CIA.

 

[The King]

Seriously, dude? This is going to be the next meme in the Bear Pit from the guy who thought Delta Force captured the head of the CIA.

Q was already letting this secret out.

Computer geeks from Los Alamos rode into his compound to kill him to keep the secret, but their unicorns revolted and ass raped all the guys from LANL to death. As they do. The horn was a warning.

2000 years ago they were called “rape-horses.”.

Dyson worked on this project too and realized that severed Unicorn horns made the best vacuum cleaner ever. Plastic copies were made and enlarged for home use.