Using the Redding 'S' bushing die

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  • May 7, 2009
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    The Redding 'S' full sizing bushing die is a great tool that gives you the ability to set consistent desired neck tension for your individual application. In the case of autoloaders, setting a neck tension of .003" can circumvent the need to crimp your cartridges. Crimping bullets without a cannulure can distort the shape of the bullet, and it will look like this:
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    This was a 168 gr SMK after applying a moderate crimp; the bullet has an hourglass shape to it.

    Anyway, there is something you should know about the bushing die. Past a certain value of the bushing on the low end, the bushing will appear to not be doing its job. For example, I am loading SMK 77s in Lapua brass for my AR. Loaded .223 Lapua brass yields approximately .250" neck diameter, so I am using a .247 bushing to give me the desired .003" of neck tension. I mic a case just to see what the diameter before sizing is, and I get this:
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    It measured a bit over .252, so I size the case in the die, and mic it to check the neck diameter. I am expecting .247" but instead, I get this:
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    Why did I just get .24865 with a .247 bushing? What is happening is that the expander ball is blowing the case neck out after it was sized to .247. So to get the desired .247 neck diameter, I can do a couple of things. I can shave a bit off the carbide ball, but I really don't want to mess with that. I simply remove the carbide expander ball and run it through again. I don't skip the expander ball altogether, because I want to get any deformities out of the mouth so they are not transferred to the bullet when seating, causing inconsistent neck tension. This is what I get after the second sizing:
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    Pretty much dead on now. After seating the bullet, this is what I get:
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    .250 right on the nose. With .003" of neck tension, I don't need to worry about the bullets unseating during the violent action of the bolt. So be aware that if you are using a bushing die, and your neck diameter is bigger than the bushing, you need to remove the expander ball or shave it down to achieve your desired neck diameter.
     
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    Don't forget brass springback. Depending on how soft, or hard the necks are, .001" of sringback is common. Your .047" bushing might be getting it down exactly to .247", but then you're possibly getting some residual elastic memory that's knocking it back out to say ~.248".

    Also, if you're shooting a factory chamber that blows out your necks, you might do what I'm doing and use a step-down bushing, which can preserve springback. My AR blows out my necks to ~.254", so I use a .249" or .250" bushing, before moving on to whatever final bushing I'll be using.

    I would think that a .247" bushing would be too big, but maybe your neck walls are thicker than the usual range of .0105"-.012" found in the MilSpec cases and the RPs/Wins/FCs I've miced.

    Chris
     
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    Many (most? factory at least) chambers have neck diameters that leave brass 0.010 to 0.012 bigger than the inner diameter of the sizing bushing. In this case, you need two sizing bushings, the sizing bushing as described above, and one haqlf way between the obturated neck diameter and the final bushing size.

    Sizing in two steps eliminates the oversizing effect of trying to do it all in one (big) step.
     
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    I don't bother to step down size in this case because I am only taking it down from .252 to .247. Springback shouldn't be much more than .0005", at least that is from my experience.
     
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    The point of my post was to share my observations while using a product and getting seemingly erroneous results. If for nothing else, I figured I would save someone the time of calling Redding tech support. My results were just that...observed results. So whatever "should be", well that isn't the case here now is it? But thanks a bunch for the reloading lesson guys. Your ranks should be changed to Captain...of the obvious.
     
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    I use the S bushing dies also and was confused at first about why they wouldn't size down farther than .002". I was shooting for .003" tension and my brass was .332" loaded and using .329, .328, and even .327 just took it down to .330. I eventually realized teh same as you that it must be the expander ball. I'm satisfied with .002" tension now because when I unseat mistakes with the hornady cam lok the bullets are extremely hard to pull and the bullets have some marks on them that let you know they didn't give up the ghost easily. It does make coating the bullets impossible though because it is enough tension so that any coatings (I tried hBN instead of moly) are scraped off during seating.