Guys, I just traded for this and I honestly don't know much about them. I know they have German glass and are suppose to be damned good scopes. I just don't have any need for it and I am not a Mil guy. If it was MOA I might keep it. I have $900 into it on the trade. They sell for from $1350 to $1600 depending on where you find them. It even comes with a set of rings. It appears to be in excellent shape no noticeable dings or scratches. He said it was on his "Reaper' and spent most of its time in the safe. Thanks guys!!!