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Vanity Fair hitpiece on snipers

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I think this can be discussed without getting political, but all in all a disgusting piece.

The writer highlights the Christian ethics of this sniper and the "grisly" nature of sniping, one shot one kill. As if chucking a grenade in a safehouse full of jihadis is somehow more humane.

I've never seen anyone talk about the moral dubiousness of fighter pilots shooting each other down.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/02/sniper-201002
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outerspace</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think this can be discussed without getting political, but all in all a disgusting piece.

The writer highlights the Christian ethics of this sniper and the "grisly" nature of sniping, one shot one kill. As if chucking a grenade in a safehouse full of jihadis is somehow more humane.

I've never seen anyone talk about the moral dubiousness of fighter pilots shooting each other down.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/02/sniper-201002
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He is an experienced military sniper, a serious man in a serious profession that, however, excites a fringe of pretenders and psychopaths. He knows those people are out there. They inhabit gun shows, firing ranges, and war-porn recesses of the Internet; they have a poor idea of how real snipers do their work, or of its effect upon their lives. Crane does not want those people anywhere near.

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I lol'd
 
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So, what exactly are your complaints about this article?

Are you mad that they suggest that being a sniper ain't all it's cracked up to be, and is actually a mentally straining job?

I don't get it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jimmy2Times</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dude, why are you reading Vanity Fair? Is there something you want to tell us? </div></div>
Mm. I can see that.

I'm actually a big time golfer and this particular issue was supposed to be another car in the Tiger Woods trainwreck, I picked it up and ran across this article.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COURAGEWOLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, what exactly are your complaints about this article?

Are you mad that they suggest that being a sniper ain't all it's cracked up to be, and is actually a mentally straining job?

I don't get it. </div></div>
For the Vanity Fair crowd killing people for Jesus is worse than killing gays.
 
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Vanity Fair is targeted toward high maintenance males, and the females who like the type, who own $80,000 off road vehicles that never get more than 8' off the road...
 
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I think this piece once again reinforces the fact that every bit of media we consume is written for an audience that the magazine/radio/news site's ADVERTISERS are targetting. It's true as much for Guns and Ammo as it is for Vanity Fair, MSNBC to FOX news. It's all just a ploy to sell advertising, and the people who read Vanity Fair are getting indignant at the salon where they're reading that article. Eh, there's bigger fish to fry, IMHO.
 
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I dunno boys, if it is full of stuff like this I may start reading it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: crumpmd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I dunno boys, if it is full of stuff like this I may start reading it.
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I'd pull the Range Rover over in a split second to refresh her glass of Chardonnay!
 
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I don't think it's a "hit piece" at all.

I think it's a pretty thoughful piece about the life of a military sniper.

It has a couple of minor technical errors, notably the TOF of a bullet to 800 meters and about the dimensions of a mildot scope, but overall I thought it was pretty good.

I know who the sniper is, and years ago I read his book. It's a very thoughtful piece about the life of a police sniper. I'm pleased that he's moved on from that shot on that woman, and is doing well. He seems to be pretty much at peace with what he does, and that's a good thing.

If you might be interested in the book, which is still in print, P.M. me, and I'll send you the citation. Since he clearly didn't want his real name to be known, I'll respect that, and not post it here.

And I subscribe to <span style="font-style: italic">Vanity Fair</span>. It has a very liberal slant, but it has excellent investigatory pieces. They've done a very detailed series about the investments banks and their practices which lead to the financial crash in 2008, as well as a couple of nice pieces about Bernie Madoff.

And then there are those pictures of Stephanie Seymour...
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One day I do want to shave the head of the editor, who badly needs a haircut.

 
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I thought Vanity Fair was a women's magazine. Even if it ain't it sounds gay as fuck.

And I'm one of the most vain motherfuckers you'd ever meet.
 
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I read the article & found it to be a good read.......I've actually heard about the book he wrote in some of my LEO training classes.....might be interesting to read.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jimmy2Times</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought Vanity Fair was a women's magazine. Even if it ain't it sounds gay as fuck.

And I'm one of the most vain motherfuckers you'd ever meet. </div></div>

IT is!!

But Lindy is right about some great investigative journalism. The New Yorker is like it as well. Left wing but some good journalism.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COURAGEWOLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outerspace</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think this can be discussed without getting political, but all in all a disgusting piece.

The writer highlights the Christian ethics of this sniper and the "grisly" nature of sniping, one shot one kill. As if chucking a grenade in a safehouse full of jihadis is somehow more humane.

I've never seen anyone talk about the moral dubiousness of fighter pilots shooting each other down.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/02/sniper-201002
</div></div>

"

He is an experienced military sniper, a serious man in a serious profession that, however, excites a fringe of pretenders and psychopaths. He knows those people are out there. They inhabit gun shows, firing ranges, and <span style="font-weight: bold">war-porn recesses of the Internet</span>; they have a poor idea of how real snipers do their work, or of its effect upon their lives. Crane does not want those people anywhere near.

"

I lol'd


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They have obviously been reading Shankster's posts.
 
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I've never opened the cover on a Vanity Fair publication. Just by the name I figured it was a publication by and for poofters. Have I been missing something?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outerspace</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think this can be discussed without getting political, but all in all a disgusting piece.

The writer highlights the Christian ethics of this sniper and the "grisly" nature of sniping, one shot one kill. As if chucking a grenade in a safehouse full of jihadis is somehow more humane.

I've never seen anyone talk about the moral dubiousness of fighter pilots shooting each other down.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/02/sniper-201002
</div></div>
 
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The writer is a total douche. This is a quote from the article

" The deaths of noncombatants drive the expansion of the war. The specific incidents tend to be acknowledged only when the victims include women and children, or the locals make a public fuss that gets picked up by the press. This war is going to be lost and declared to have been won. It worked that way in Vietnam; it is working that way in Iraq; it will work that way in Afghanistan as well. Meanwhile, “collateral casualties” undermine the moral ground of the fight and make the losing worse. There have been too many, they must be avoided, and something must be done.

So snipers believe that their time has come. Here at last is a war they can fight in precisely the manner required. Here is a war where they will not be marginalized. The army seems to agree and is shifting its emphasis toward more accurate shooting."

So removing an evil dictator and installing a constitutional republic in Iraq is losing a war? What would it take to win?

How is the death of noncombatants what is driving the expansion in the Afghan war? I don't get that. I do understand the concept of avoiding collateral damage by shooting one precisely aimed bullet at the time. But how will you ever get enough "snipers" to kill all the enemy one bullet at a time with no collateral damage?

I enjoyed reading the story about the man, but the conclusions stated above are just bullshit.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How is the death of noncombatants what is driving the expansion in the Afghan war?</div></div>

Because it aids the cause of the Taliban in portraying the allies as imperialist aggressors.

General McCrystal understands that, which is why he is trying to limit non-combatant casualties.
 
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I took the quiz and it turns out I do put my career before men... Oh wait, maybe that was Cosmo.
 
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I think you all missed the point. We are all aware of the effect that noncombatants deaths have on the attitudes of the survivors towards the army who did the killing. Hearts and minds and all that horseshit.
What is driving the expansion of that war is the need we still have to find the Al Qaeda figurehead Bin Laden , close down Afghan training camps and try to shut down the Sunni Taliban jihad machine.
A new government with a constitution and free elections would be a plus too.

The magazine writer wants us to think the ONLY thing driving the expansion is the killing of innocents. It is not so, and I think we all know it.
 
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Wow. I know that guy personally. I was his FTO for the brief time he was at Richardson PD. He's a solid guy, a true Warrior, and a friend.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: crumpmd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The magazine writer wants us to think the ONLY thing driving the expansion is the killing of innocents. It is not so, and I think we all know it. </div></div>

I did not get that, I got that they were making it personal showing it doesn't not happen when a sniper is employed. Don't take it out of context - take it that in order to emphasize one point he has to emphasize another - and his point was that a snipers bullet is not discriminatory..

Very good read - I read about his ambush heset up on the Taliban in another article - now I know who he is..

Good guy - no BS.
 
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Jesus was resurrected after three days, and you can visit Muhammad’s grave.

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