Heard it through the Grapevine that the powers at be are going to hold a Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA. They got the go ahead to add the M40 and M70's! So knock the dust of your Redfields and Lymans and start practicing for 300 and 600 Yards. This is going to be a CMP ruled Vintage SNIPER Match (with the addition of the M40 and Win M70) so its M48/9's and Shooting off of Rucks. More to Follow!
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Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
looking foreword to hearing more.....
looking foreword to hearing more.....
Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
This style of match sounds awesome, my question is, what are the limitations on optics? I have a 98 and a couple of MN's, just wondering if they must have vintage optics or repro or if there were some set of limitations on using newer style optics.
I am more of a puriest on the rifles, than the optics just due to availablitity. Would an older VXII 3-9 Qualify, simple reticle and no click adjust.
Thanks,
This style of match sounds awesome, my question is, what are the limitations on optics? I have a 98 and a couple of MN's, just wondering if they must have vintage optics or repro or if there were some set of limitations on using newer style optics.
I am more of a puriest on the rifles, than the optics just due to availablitity. Would an older VXII 3-9 Qualify, simple reticle and no click adjust.
Thanks,
Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
Here is the rule book which will give you the information you're looking for;
http://www.odcmp.com/Competitions/Rulebook.pdf
If anyone wants to have a Vintage Sniper Match contact a CMP GSM MI and have him put one on.
I would but I dont know if there is anyone in this area that's interested.
When I put on Clinics/matches I don't precude anyone. I just have different classes. The CMP rules allow it in the Modern Rifle Rules.
With post Korean War rifles you'd be in your own class, and not competing with the pre Korean War Sniper Rifles.
I'm not going to turn anyone away because they can't round up the parts needed to fit the rules. My goal is to get more people shooting CMP GSM matches.
Here is the rule book which will give you the information you're looking for;
http://www.odcmp.com/Competitions/Rulebook.pdf
If anyone wants to have a Vintage Sniper Match contact a CMP GSM MI and have him put one on.
I would but I dont know if there is anyone in this area that's interested.
When I put on Clinics/matches I don't precude anyone. I just have different classes. The CMP rules allow it in the Modern Rifle Rules.
With post Korean War rifles you'd be in your own class, and not competing with the pre Korean War Sniper Rifles.
I'm not going to turn anyone away because they can't round up the parts needed to fit the rules. My goal is to get more people shooting CMP GSM matches.
Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is the rule book which will give you the information you're looking for;
http://www.odcmp.com/Competitions/Rulebook.pdf
If anyone wants to have a Vintage Sniper Match contact a CMP GSM MI and have him put one on.
I would but I dont know if there is anyone in this area that's interested.
When I put on Clinics/matches I don't precude anyone. I just have different classes. The CMP rules allow it in the Modern Rifle Rules.
With post Korean War rifles you'd be in your own class, and not competing with the pre Korean War Sniper Rifles.
I'm not going to turn anyone away because they can't round up the parts needed to fit the rules. My goal is to get more people shooting CMP GSM matches.
</div></div>
Thanks, I found it. Likely be easier to buy an Mosin already set up and scoped for me. I have seen them for around $700, so that is likely the best route.
Wish I lived closer to Wyoming.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is the rule book which will give you the information you're looking for;
http://www.odcmp.com/Competitions/Rulebook.pdf
If anyone wants to have a Vintage Sniper Match contact a CMP GSM MI and have him put one on.
I would but I dont know if there is anyone in this area that's interested.
When I put on Clinics/matches I don't precude anyone. I just have different classes. The CMP rules allow it in the Modern Rifle Rules.
With post Korean War rifles you'd be in your own class, and not competing with the pre Korean War Sniper Rifles.
I'm not going to turn anyone away because they can't round up the parts needed to fit the rules. My goal is to get more people shooting CMP GSM matches.
</div></div>
Thanks, I found it. Likely be easier to buy an Mosin already set up and scoped for me. I have seen them for around $700, so that is likely the best route.
Wish I lived closer to Wyoming.
Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
Kraig, what part of WYO do you run your clinics. I have some old MN's and Mausers, and a psuedo-M40(outside CMP rules), would like to attend one. I live exactly 1 hr south of Cheyenne.
Kraig, what part of WYO do you run your clinics. I have some old MN's and Mausers, and a psuedo-M40(outside CMP rules), would like to attend one. I live exactly 1 hr south of Cheyenne.
Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
Roggon, my club is in Newcastle, Weston County Sportsman's Club.
NE part of the state.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do they still have a ban on anything Russian?</div></div>
Never knew they had a ban on Russian stuff. Mosins are quite common in GSM Matches.
Roggon, my club is in Newcastle, Weston County Sportsman's Club.
NE part of the state.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do they still have a ban on anything Russian?</div></div>
Never knew they had a ban on Russian stuff. Mosins are quite common in GSM Matches.
Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
Unfortunatly I found out the do have a ban on the russian calibers. Not sure why, but will inquire and let you know.
Unfortunatly I found out the do have a ban on the russian calibers. Not sure why, but will inquire and let you know.
Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
The dates haven't been hammered down yet. They had to get permission to do the match and add the m40 and Win 70. Now its waiting on scheduling. Will keep you posted.
The dates haven't been hammered down yet. They had to get permission to do the match and add the m40 and Win 70. Now its waiting on scheduling. Will keep you posted.
Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
Keep an eye on this site, all Approved CMP GSM matches are posted here once approved.
You'll get a lot more listed as weather warms up.
http://clubs.odcmp.com/cgi-bin/matchUpcomingSearch.cgi?designation=GARAND
Keep an eye on this site, all Approved CMP GSM matches are posted here once approved.
You'll get a lot more listed as weather warms up.
http://clubs.odcmp.com/cgi-bin/matchUpcomingSearch.cgi?designation=GARAND
Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
7.62X54R is not allowed at Quantico. Nor is 7.62X39 and 5.45X39.
7.62X54R is not allowed at Quantico. Nor is 7.62X39 and 5.45X39.
Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
Cut and paste from the ODCMP site, please forgive the formatting.
6.4.3 Vintage Sniper Rifl e
The rifl e must be a manually operated or semi-automatic rifl e of U. S. or foreign
manufacture that was either an original military rifl e issued for sniping in 1953
or earlier or a commercial replica rifl e of the same type and caliber. Vintage
Sniper Rifl es and Sights must be listed in Table I below and must fulfi ll these
requirements:
(1) The bore diameter may be no larger than 8mm (.315 caliber).
(2) Must be in as-issued condition. No fi berglass stocks, special bedding
(glass bedding, etc.), match triggers or other special accurizing are permitted.
(3) Rebarreling with a barrel of as-issued dimensions is permitted. A replacement
barrel must have the same exact contours and cuts as the original
as-issued barrel.
(4) Triggers on semi-automatic rifl es must have a trigger pull of at least 4.5
lbs. Triggers on manually operated rifl es must have a trigger pull of at
least 2.5 lbs.
(5) A strap-on, lace-on or detachable wooden cheek-piece may be used if it
was original to the rifl e when used for sniping purposes.
(6) Sights must be original issue optical sights with as-issued reticles or
sights may be commercial replicas of as-issued optical sights. In addition,
specifi c non-issue scopes that are listed in Table I may be used. Such
non-issue scopes may only be used on the rifl es for which they are specifi
cally listed. Replica or non-issue sights may have only crosshair, post
or post with crosshair reticles. Scope mounts and rings may be original or
reproduction replicas. Scope rings may be sleeved or modifi ed to accept
a non-original scope diameter.
Any updates to Table 1 will be posted on the CMP website at
http://www.odcmp.com/Competitions/Rulebook.htm.
Legal Rifl es and Scopes (Table 1)
Rifl es Scopes
United States:
.30-06 cal. M1903A4 (03 or 03A3 receiver,
03A3 hand-guard, no sights, C stock
or scant-type stock)
M73B1 (Weaver 330C 2.5X telescope),
M73B2, M81, M82, M84
Non-issue scopes: Lyman Alaskan,
Weaver K2.5
United States:
.30-06 cal. 1941A1 Springfi eld (C stock,
Standard 1903 sights with Unertl type
scope on Unertl type mounts and bases)
Winchester A5, Winchester B5, Winchester
B3
USMC original issue: Unertl 8X
Sniper Telescope
Non-issue scopes: Unertl, Lyman or
Fekker 6X or 8X scope with up to a
1.5” objective; Leatherwood Malcolm
3X or 6X
Note: All scopes must have external
adjustment and no recoil spring.
United States:
.30.06 cal. M1C
.30-06 cal. M1D
M81 (Lyman), M82, M84
Non-issue: Stith-Kollmorgan 4X, Lyman
Alaskan
Belguim:
.30-06, 7mm, 7.65mm, 8mm SAFN/
M1949 (semi auto) (Used by several
countries)
OPI 4X scope, Echo mount
30
Legal Rifl es and Scopes (Table 1)
Rifl es Scopes
Germany:
8x57mm Gew. 98
8x57mm Kar. 98
ZF4, ZF39, ZF41
Non-issue: Weaver K4
Germany:
Gew. 43 or Kar. 43 (semi-auto)
ZF4
Great Britain and Commonwealth
Countries
.303 cal. No. 1, Mk III Series SMLE
Aldis, Periscopic Prism scope, Winchester
A5, William Malcolm 3X or
6X
Great Britain and Commonwealth
Countries
.303 cal. Enfi eld No. 3 Mark I (T) or Pattern
1914 (T) or P-14 (T)
M1918 Telescope, Aldis, Periscopic
Prism scope, Winchester A5, William
Malcolm 3X
Great Britain and Commonwealth
Countries
.303 cal. No. 4 Mark I (T)
No. 32 (M32 variants)
Non-issue: Lyman Alaskan, Weaver
K2.5 or K3
Japan:
6.5mm Type 38 Sniper Rifl e
6.5mm Type 97 Sniper Rifl e
6.5mm Type 99 Sniper Rifl e
Original scopes only
Sweden:
6.5mm M41 series Sniper Rifl es
Ajack 4x90mm (German), Aga
3x65mm (M42 or M44)
Non-issue: Weaver K4
Switzerland:
7.5mm M1931/42 Sniper Rifl e
7.5mm M1931/43 Sniper Rifl e
1.8X in M1931/42, 2.8X in
M1931/43, 3.5X in M1931/55
USSR:
7.62mm M1891/30 Mosin Nagant
PE, PU
USSR:
7.62mm Tokarev M 1938 (SVT-38)
(semi-auto)
7.62mm Tokarev M 1940 (SVT-40)
(semi-auto)
PU
Yugoslavia & Czechoslovakia:
7.92mm M1948 (YUG)
7.92mm VZ 24 24, 24” or 30” barrels
(CZE)
ZF4, ZF39 variants, ZF41
Non-issue: Weaver K4
Cut and paste from the ODCMP site, please forgive the formatting.
6.4.3 Vintage Sniper Rifl e
The rifl e must be a manually operated or semi-automatic rifl e of U. S. or foreign
manufacture that was either an original military rifl e issued for sniping in 1953
or earlier or a commercial replica rifl e of the same type and caliber. Vintage
Sniper Rifl es and Sights must be listed in Table I below and must fulfi ll these
requirements:
(1) The bore diameter may be no larger than 8mm (.315 caliber).
(2) Must be in as-issued condition. No fi berglass stocks, special bedding
(glass bedding, etc.), match triggers or other special accurizing are permitted.
(3) Rebarreling with a barrel of as-issued dimensions is permitted. A replacement
barrel must have the same exact contours and cuts as the original
as-issued barrel.
(4) Triggers on semi-automatic rifl es must have a trigger pull of at least 4.5
lbs. Triggers on manually operated rifl es must have a trigger pull of at
least 2.5 lbs.
(5) A strap-on, lace-on or detachable wooden cheek-piece may be used if it
was original to the rifl e when used for sniping purposes.
(6) Sights must be original issue optical sights with as-issued reticles or
sights may be commercial replicas of as-issued optical sights. In addition,
specifi c non-issue scopes that are listed in Table I may be used. Such
non-issue scopes may only be used on the rifl es for which they are specifi
cally listed. Replica or non-issue sights may have only crosshair, post
or post with crosshair reticles. Scope mounts and rings may be original or
reproduction replicas. Scope rings may be sleeved or modifi ed to accept
a non-original scope diameter.
Any updates to Table 1 will be posted on the CMP website at
http://www.odcmp.com/Competitions/Rulebook.htm.
Legal Rifl es and Scopes (Table 1)
Rifl es Scopes
United States:
.30-06 cal. M1903A4 (03 or 03A3 receiver,
03A3 hand-guard, no sights, C stock
or scant-type stock)
M73B1 (Weaver 330C 2.5X telescope),
M73B2, M81, M82, M84
Non-issue scopes: Lyman Alaskan,
Weaver K2.5
United States:
.30-06 cal. 1941A1 Springfi eld (C stock,
Standard 1903 sights with Unertl type
scope on Unertl type mounts and bases)
Winchester A5, Winchester B5, Winchester
B3
USMC original issue: Unertl 8X
Sniper Telescope
Non-issue scopes: Unertl, Lyman or
Fekker 6X or 8X scope with up to a
1.5” objective; Leatherwood Malcolm
3X or 6X
Note: All scopes must have external
adjustment and no recoil spring.
United States:
.30.06 cal. M1C
.30-06 cal. M1D
M81 (Lyman), M82, M84
Non-issue: Stith-Kollmorgan 4X, Lyman
Alaskan
Belguim:
.30-06, 7mm, 7.65mm, 8mm SAFN/
M1949 (semi auto) (Used by several
countries)
OPI 4X scope, Echo mount
30
Legal Rifl es and Scopes (Table 1)
Rifl es Scopes
Germany:
8x57mm Gew. 98
8x57mm Kar. 98
ZF4, ZF39, ZF41
Non-issue: Weaver K4
Germany:
Gew. 43 or Kar. 43 (semi-auto)
ZF4
Great Britain and Commonwealth
Countries
.303 cal. No. 1, Mk III Series SMLE
Aldis, Periscopic Prism scope, Winchester
A5, William Malcolm 3X or
6X
Great Britain and Commonwealth
Countries
.303 cal. Enfi eld No. 3 Mark I (T) or Pattern
1914 (T) or P-14 (T)
M1918 Telescope, Aldis, Periscopic
Prism scope, Winchester A5, William
Malcolm 3X
Great Britain and Commonwealth
Countries
.303 cal. No. 4 Mark I (T)
No. 32 (M32 variants)
Non-issue: Lyman Alaskan, Weaver
K2.5 or K3
Japan:
6.5mm Type 38 Sniper Rifl e
6.5mm Type 97 Sniper Rifl e
6.5mm Type 99 Sniper Rifl e
Original scopes only
Sweden:
6.5mm M41 series Sniper Rifl es
Ajack 4x90mm (German), Aga
3x65mm (M42 or M44)
Non-issue: Weaver K4
Switzerland:
7.5mm M1931/42 Sniper Rifl e
7.5mm M1931/43 Sniper Rifl e
1.8X in M1931/42, 2.8X in
M1931/43, 3.5X in M1931/55
USSR:
7.62mm M1891/30 Mosin Nagant
PE, PU
USSR:
7.62mm Tokarev M 1938 (SVT-38)
(semi-auto)
7.62mm Tokarev M 1940 (SVT-40)
(semi-auto)
PU
Yugoslavia & Czechoslovakia:
7.92mm M1948 (YUG)
7.92mm VZ 24 24, 24” or 30” barrels
(CZE)
ZF4, ZF39 variants, ZF41
Non-issue: Weaver K4
Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
Heck, far's I'm concerned, a 7.62x39 ain't nuttin' but a .311PPC wearin' War Paint...; the 5.45x39 is a .220PPC, and I wouldn't be too surprised if someone could fireform a .307 Win headstamped cartridge to fit a 7.62x54R chamber.
Heck, far's I'm concerned, a 7.62x39 ain't nuttin' but a .311PPC wearin' War Paint...; the 5.45x39 is a .220PPC, and I wouldn't be too surprised if someone could fireform a .307 Win headstamped cartridge to fit a 7.62x54R chamber.
Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
Kraig,
When do you usually put on your shoots. I dont have anything that fits the bill yet, but that dont mean I cant try to get something together.
Kraig,
When do you usually put on your shoots. I dont have anything that fits the bill yet, but that dont mean I cant try to get something together.
Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hey, Red Jacket makes 1000 yard AK sniper rifles, maybe CMP will reconize them. </div></div>
LOL! I have my doubts about both parts of that sentence.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hey, Red Jacket makes 1000 yard AK sniper rifles, maybe CMP will reconize them. </div></div>
LOL! I have my doubts about both parts of that sentence.
Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
I have a Vz-54/91 which shoots 7.62x54R. A surplused Czech sniper rifle. And I live 20 minutes away. If I bring PPU ammo, would they have a problem with it or what? Are they worried about steel core ammo?
Jim
Jim
Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
Regarding Russin Ammo at Quantico
Apparently there has been a change and it is authorized.
Below is the informantion I got when addressing the CMP on this matter.
http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=67833
Regarding Russin Ammo at Quantico
Apparently there has been a change and it is authorized.
Below is the informantion I got when addressing the CMP on this matter.
http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=67833
Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Regarding Russin Ammo at Quantico
Apparently there has been a change and it is authorized.
Below is the informantion I got when addressing the CMP on this matter.
http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=67833</div></div>
Great info, thank you.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Regarding Russin Ammo at Quantico
Apparently there has been a change and it is authorized.
Below is the informantion I got when addressing the CMP on this matter.
http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=67833</div></div>
Great info, thank you.
Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
Just got the Word that the Lift is true, the russian ammo is GTG. So Fire up those Nagants and see whose 30 cal is King!
Just got the Word that the Lift is true, the russian ammo is GTG. So Fire up those Nagants and see whose 30 cal is King!
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Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
That would be an interesting match to go see! Any idea on dates???
That would be an interesting match to go see! Any idea on dates???
Re: Vintage Sniper Rifle Match at Quantico, VA
Depending on dates I sure would like to come watch this, since my m40 isn't the correct time period or anything.
This is a great idea!
Depending on dates I sure would like to come watch this, since my m40 isn't the correct time period or anything.
This is a great idea!
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