Rifle Scopes Viper PST
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Re: Viper PST
Nope, not yet, hopefully the next batch will be here soon. If you use the search function you'll likely turn up about 10,000,000 posts on the subject (give or take).
Nope, not yet, hopefully the next batch will be here soon. If you use the search function you'll likely turn up about 10,000,000 posts on the subject (give or take).
Re: Viper PST
Oh I have been reading on them, just didn't know if anyone might have one in stock laying around.
Oh I have been reading on them, just didn't know if anyone might have one in stock laying around.
Re: Viper PST
Last we heard, the Viper PST won't be out until the end of year. They're doing some re-tooling on them.
Thanks,
Mason @ CST
Last we heard, the Viper PST won't be out until the end of year. They're doing some re-tooling on them.
Thanks,
Mason @ CST
Re: Viper PST
Nobody would have one on-hand. Even when the initial shipment occurred, very few actually got into the hands of consumers. Everything else was sent back for retooling. There is such a long list of people on backorder for these scopes, I doubt you'll see a vendor with one of these just sitting on a shelf for at least 3-6 months AFTER they are re-released by Vortex.
Nobody would have one on-hand. Even when the initial shipment occurred, very few actually got into the hands of consumers. Everything else was sent back for retooling. There is such a long list of people on backorder for these scopes, I doubt you'll see a vendor with one of these just sitting on a shelf for at least 3-6 months AFTER they are re-released by Vortex.
Re: Viper PST
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CSTACTICAL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Last we heard, the Viper PST won't be out until the end of year. They're doing some re-tooling on them.
Thanks,
Mason @ CST </div></div>
So what is wrong with them? Why do they need <span style="font-weight: bold">re-tooling</span>? I thought they were supposed to be one of the best coming out for the price. At least with all the hype, waiting lists and all.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CSTACTICAL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Last we heard, the Viper PST won't be out until the end of year. They're doing some re-tooling on them.
Thanks,
Mason @ CST </div></div>
So what is wrong with them? Why do they need <span style="font-weight: bold">re-tooling</span>? I thought they were supposed to be one of the best coming out for the price. At least with all the hype, waiting lists and all.
Re: Viper PST
Soft turrets(turned too easily and no defined clicks), junk inside the tubes that ended up on the glass resulting in an obscured sight picture, And there were reports of the tracking to not be very accurate.
Soft turrets(turned too easily and no defined clicks), junk inside the tubes that ended up on the glass resulting in an obscured sight picture, And there were reports of the tracking to not be very accurate.
Re: Viper PST
There was one case of junk on the insdie of a lense that i rememner and only heard of one report of the tracking being off by a very small amount that most would not even be able to detect,and both were taken care off. If there was some cases i did not hear about point me in the direction. Soft turrets were a complaint but most companys would have left the turrets and came out with a updated version after getting a bunch of cash and charging more the second time. Pretty stand up of vortex to take the beating they have just to make sure it is 100% right with there customers
There was one case of junk on the insdie of a lense that i rememner and only heard of one report of the tracking being off by a very small amount that most would not even be able to detect,and both were taken care off. If there was some cases i did not hear about point me in the direction. Soft turrets were a complaint but most companys would have left the turrets and came out with a updated version after getting a bunch of cash and charging more the second time. Pretty stand up of vortex to take the beating they have just to make sure it is 100% right with there customers
Re: Viper PST
There were two posted on this sight alone. One was the big smudge that looked like a piece of aluminum shaving stuck to the inside of the glass. The other was a bunch of small speckles of the same stuff.
The uncalibrated subtentions of the turrets were only reported by one person because he was the only one that did the test to that depth. If memory serves, the guy that did that test was someone that knew what he was talking about. I bet if the same test was done with 5 other of the same scope the result would be the same.
I applaud vortex for stepping up and trying to remedy the problem, but it should have never been a problem in the first place. And many will blame everyone that wanted these scopes yesterday on rushing them to market. To that I say the scopes should have never been debuted or talked about until they were ready or at least the first production runs complete and maybe even field tested. Just my opinion, as apotential customer that was on the short list for one since February, that cancelled my order after reports of all the problems with the first run and the fact that the delivery date appears to have been pushed back now by nearly 10 months over the original estimation. There are far too many other fine scopes available right now that have already been proven. Maybe ill come back to the vortex in 2 years or so, after the bugs are gone...
There were two posted on this sight alone. One was the big smudge that looked like a piece of aluminum shaving stuck to the inside of the glass. The other was a bunch of small speckles of the same stuff.
The uncalibrated subtentions of the turrets were only reported by one person because he was the only one that did the test to that depth. If memory serves, the guy that did that test was someone that knew what he was talking about. I bet if the same test was done with 5 other of the same scope the result would be the same.
I applaud vortex for stepping up and trying to remedy the problem, but it should have never been a problem in the first place. And many will blame everyone that wanted these scopes yesterday on rushing them to market. To that I say the scopes should have never been debuted or talked about until they were ready or at least the first production runs complete and maybe even field tested. Just my opinion, as apotential customer that was on the short list for one since February, that cancelled my order after reports of all the problems with the first run and the fact that the delivery date appears to have been pushed back now by nearly 10 months over the original estimation. There are far too many other fine scopes available right now that have already been proven. Maybe ill come back to the vortex in 2 years or so, after the bugs are gone...
Re: Viper PST
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I applaud vortex for stepping up and trying to remedy the problem, but it should have never been a problem in the first place.</div></div>
I agree - it shouldn't have been a problem in the first place. On the other hand - they (Vortex) are doing the right things. I understand the market factors and the desire to lock a share of it - which is why people often advertise a promising product before it's fully ready. And when "debugging" turned out to take unexpectedly longer - again they made the correct choice. Put yourself in their shoes - what would you do? Sit on a product until it's fully ready letting your potential customers buy from somebody else in the meanwhile? Or advertise that you have something good coming - when you know it's "almost there"? Vortex had a great success with Razor HD and plenty of experience with scope manufacturing. I can easily understand position "What can possibly go wrong here? Don't waste time and start advertising now!"
I own two Vortex scopes (Razor HD) mounted on my "big boys" and probably will add Viper PST for my smaller rifles. Yes I dislike this delay - but it gives me hope that when PST is finally released it would be closer to Razor in reliability.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I applaud vortex for stepping up and trying to remedy the problem, but it should have never been a problem in the first place.</div></div>
I agree - it shouldn't have been a problem in the first place. On the other hand - they (Vortex) are doing the right things. I understand the market factors and the desire to lock a share of it - which is why people often advertise a promising product before it's fully ready. And when "debugging" turned out to take unexpectedly longer - again they made the correct choice. Put yourself in their shoes - what would you do? Sit on a product until it's fully ready letting your potential customers buy from somebody else in the meanwhile? Or advertise that you have something good coming - when you know it's "almost there"? Vortex had a great success with Razor HD and plenty of experience with scope manufacturing. I can easily understand position "What can possibly go wrong here? Don't waste time and start advertising now!"
I own two Vortex scopes (Razor HD) mounted on my "big boys" and probably will add Viper PST for my smaller rifles. Yes I dislike this delay - but it gives me hope that when PST is finally released it would be closer to Razor in reliability.
Re: Viper PST
This makes me laugh, the case of the SMUDGE on the inside of the lens OMG it happened, I recall a post not to long ago from someone who got a USO scope (top dollar) and it had something on the inside of the lens and they told him to beat it against a phone book and hopefully it would just fall off LMAO that was a scope that had been around forever, nobody cursed the scope maker and said they might check back in 2 years to see if they got the bugs worked out, and the tracking was found out to be alot tighter then alot of (top dollar) makers specs, hmmmmm wonder what people will bring up next? Most shooters probably would not of even noticed the turrets, I wish mine would have been in the first batch, oh well still patiently waiting and getting a good laugh at everybody downing vortex for standing behind their product
This makes me laugh, the case of the SMUDGE on the inside of the lens OMG it happened, I recall a post not to long ago from someone who got a USO scope (top dollar) and it had something on the inside of the lens and they told him to beat it against a phone book and hopefully it would just fall off LMAO that was a scope that had been around forever, nobody cursed the scope maker and said they might check back in 2 years to see if they got the bugs worked out, and the tracking was found out to be alot tighter then alot of (top dollar) makers specs, hmmmmm wonder what people will bring up next? Most shooters probably would not of even noticed the turrets, I wish mine would have been in the first batch, oh well still patiently waiting and getting a good laugh at everybody downing vortex for standing behind their product
Re: Viper PST
Vortex may be the new kid on the block somewhat as to tactical scopes, but if they follow their footsteps as far as their bino’s, they will continue to supply the folks with products and development in the products that will surpass most expectations and with the service needed once in a while if something is out of operation.
Viper PST
just my opinion
Vortex may be the new kid on the block somewhat as to tactical scopes, but if they follow their footsteps as far as their bino’s, they will continue to supply the folks with products and development in the products that will surpass most expectations and with the service needed once in a while if something is out of operation.
Viper PST
just my opinion
Re: Viper PST
I made a pretty detailed post about my PST, it has been a perfect scope in my estimation, haven't had any hicups or problems with it, and LOVE using it. I would buy another one in a second if it was possible. This last weekend I was able to get it out several times, and repetitively shot from 200 to 1200 yds without any tracking problems or otherwise.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=172184&Number=1914021#top
I made a pretty detailed post about my PST, it has been a perfect scope in my estimation, haven't had any hicups or problems with it, and LOVE using it. I would buy another one in a second if it was possible. This last weekend I was able to get it out several times, and repetitively shot from 200 to 1200 yds without any tracking problems or otherwise.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=172184&Number=1914021#top
Re: Viper PST
Don't get me wrong. Vortex is still on my short list of scopes to consider. And I understand that no company's perfect. And vortex is a company that admits to problems and goes above and beyond to remedy them. Its just that there was so much hype about this new line of scopes and so many delays. And when the first shipment did come out people started finding problems right away. And now here we are with at least another 4-6 month delay. I guess that after all the hype those little problems were a big letdown for many. And surely you don't expect people to sit around and wait for this scope? Some people have some shooting to do...
Not sure I will ever buy a PST now, only because it would be a step back from the nightforce i bought after cancelling the pst, but I have been eyeing the razor as my first ffp scope.
Don't get me wrong. Vortex is still on my short list of scopes to consider. And I understand that no company's perfect. And vortex is a company that admits to problems and goes above and beyond to remedy them. Its just that there was so much hype about this new line of scopes and so many delays. And when the first shipment did come out people started finding problems right away. And now here we are with at least another 4-6 month delay. I guess that after all the hype those little problems were a big letdown for many. And surely you don't expect people to sit around and wait for this scope? Some people have some shooting to do...
Not sure I will ever buy a PST now, only because it would be a step back from the nightforce i bought after cancelling the pst, but I have been eyeing the razor as my first ffp scope.
Re: Viper PST
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And vortex is a company that admits to problems and goes above and beyond to remedy them.</div></div>
Which was why I bought my first Razor from them, taking the risk of going with a "new kid on the block": features were right, the price was OK, <span style="text-decoration: underline">and their service stood behind it</span>. Plus - so far they haven't had too many problems. Because of course we don't want to have our scopes repaired for free every other month - we want them just work, preferably forever!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its just that there was so much hype about this new line of scopes and so many delays.</div></div>
I fully understand. I think they didn't expect the magnitude of the issue(s) they suddenly got to deal with. Again, understandable - unpleasant brown stuff happens (hopefully not when the fan blades are spinning nearby). I can confess some rare cases in my line of work when I made a comparable mistake - underestimated the magnitude/depth of a problem, and therefore the amount of time and efforts required to take care of it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And vortex is a company that admits to problems and goes above and beyond to remedy them.</div></div>
Which was why I bought my first Razor from them, taking the risk of going with a "new kid on the block": features were right, the price was OK, <span style="text-decoration: underline">and their service stood behind it</span>. Plus - so far they haven't had too many problems. Because of course we don't want to have our scopes repaired for free every other month - we want them just work, preferably forever!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its just that there was so much hype about this new line of scopes and so many delays.</div></div>
I fully understand. I think they didn't expect the magnitude of the issue(s) they suddenly got to deal with. Again, understandable - unpleasant brown stuff happens (hopefully not when the fan blades are spinning nearby). I can confess some rare cases in my line of work when I made a comparable mistake - underestimated the magnitude/depth of a problem, and therefore the amount of time and efforts required to take care of it.
