Rifle Scopes Vortex 1-10x24

[BytorJr]

Holy screw-ups.

Entirely my fault but when I got the scope I was most interested in daylight bright. That, it is most definitely daylight bright into 16:00 fall sun. I ordered the MRAD version from cstactical in January and I received in late April. Life got in the way and I finally built the article it was going on. Took it out and sighted in in. Then...then it F'ing dawned on me shooting at 400 yards. This is a BDC reticle...WTF? I ordered the MRAD. They sent the MOA and I didn't notice.

Now, it's my fault for not noticing the MOA on the box when I opened it. It's not awful I guess, but I'm a bit pissed. Mainly at myself for opening box, checking dot and not the reticle itself, putting back in box and waiting until 2 days ago to mount said scope. Not even thinking about the reticle but just the "dot."

I'd love to see if cstactical would trade me for it and let me have an mrad for some delta off this scope; but frankly, I'm not going to ask. It's my fault for not checking upon receiving. It's had maybe 100 rounds on a 5.56. I could live with it I guess, but I have no BDC reticles as I figure as long as you know your dope, you don't need one. Truthfully, other than the daylight bright dot, the 1-8.5 Bushy works for me much better (probably because it's mils).

Yes, I'm a dumb mofo, I admit it.

Suggestions? Yes, I guess I could put it on the market or learn to live with a BDC (they're not all bad...I guess) .

 

[10ring'r]

Ummm.... I'd probably give them a call anyways?? Have never purchased anything from them, but, word on the street is, they're pretty good people. Mac

 

[BytorJr]

Ummm.... I'd probably give them a call anyways?? Have never purchased anything from them, but, word on the street is, they're pretty good people. Mac

Yeah, my intent isn't to bad mouth them either. It was a mistake NEITHER of us caught and I'm just wondering if I can live with it. Only I can decide that; but it is kind of out of place with everything else I own - though I had toyed with an ACOG a long time ago.

Unfortunately, I have to drive out of state tomorrow (7 hours), take care of some business my old man left for me to do (unbelievable the pile he left me...thinking he'd had his atty make sure shit was right - may have been in 1995), then drive back Monday night so I can have a freaking software release out the door Wednesday. No wonder I didn't catch this...it's been my life for 2+ years.

 

[10ring'r]

Yep, been there, done that, as the story goes, when it comes to family stuff. When the "brain fart" thing happens to me, especially, if I was the dumbass, I get all pissy, and then my OCD will kick in and I need to get it handled, and I mean, handled.....NOW! Sucks, it's the weekend and you probably won't be able to talk to who you need to talk to, so....... . Anyways good luck. Hope you get your family shit taken care of, without a lot hoopla and the same with the scope deal. Mac
eta: Maybe, you could PM them and get the ball rolling??

 

[Rob01]

It's mounted and zeroed so why not play with it a little and see how you like it? The BDC is the same as the 1-6x Razor II uses in the JM-1 and that is a very popular reticle for 3 gun. It;s fast and accurate. I got my 1-10 specifically for this reason as I have the JM-1s in my 1-6s. Actually the reticle is better as it has more holds below and wind holds. Put on a 50/200 zero and play with it.

 

[gac700]

I’d hang with what you have. Wish I had one just like yours. I have a couple 1-6 moa JM and love them. Awesome scopes, the 1-10 just offers more.

 

[RTV]

if you sold it on the market you would not likely loose very much if any since they are sold out and backordered pretty much everywhere.
I think i saw a few going for 1950$ on here.

i have the 1-10 in MIL and it is my perfect LPVO.... now if someone can just release an nx8 2.5-20 type optic that doesnt have all the issues the NX8 does i would be set for life.

 

[Snapper314]

I plan on picking up a Vortex Razor 1-10x. And like you, I'm getting the Mrad reticle. The optic will be used on 5.56mm, 7.62x51mm, and possibly even 6.5 Grendel. So the BDC reticle simply won't cut it.

If you have any similar plans, I do whatever is needed to get the one you want.

 

[Rob01]

It actually will work with both the .223 and .308. Don’t have a 6.5 Grendel so not sure on that one.

 

[ClangClang]

Just list it in the PX for what you paid. It will be sold in 24 hours no joke. They're a super hot commodity right now. Only real pain is that you'll likely have to wait another 2-3 months for another one. Although CST might let you skip the line if you let them know what happened and that you simply want to purchase another one.

 

[BytorJr]

It's mounted and zeroed so why not play with it a little and see how you like it? The BDC is the same as the 1-6x Razor II uses in the JM-1 and that is a very popular reticle for 3 gun. It;s fast and accurate. I got my 1-10 specifically for this reason as I have the JM-1s in my 1-6s. Actually the reticle is better as it has more holds below and wind holds. Put on a 50/200 zero and play with it.

That also may be the route I take. I didn’t start out to zero at 200 and it’s not truly zerod but I’d done a battsight zero before it dawned on me (that wtf moment). I dialed it back to hitting a 4” plate in about a 1” group at 200. So with that the BDC works well. I’ll grant that. It’s very fast and I hate to say - BytorJr proof .

You are also correct I that it has a lot of wind holds. Maybe I’ll study the reticle more and wait. Busy with family business still. My sibling didn’t do their job well the last 8 months. How freaking hard is it to scan paper???

 

[BytorJr]

It's mounted and zeroed so why not play with it a little and see how you like it? The BDC is the same as the 1-6x Razor II uses in the JM-1 and that is a very popular reticle for 3 gun. It;s fast and accurate. I got my 1-10 specifically for this reason as I have the JM-1s in my 1-6s. Actually the reticle is better as it has more holds below and wind holds. Put on a 50/200 zero and play with it.

Well, I've had it out now twice since my last post. I had to move the scope a bit towards me as I had to have the stock up a bit more than I wanted. Shockingly, my zero held (thank you plumb bob). More shockingly is my second session today after thinking I'd go home (painting steel was done) I found a few new targets at 380 yards that were behind some at 200 yards. 10" steel. I said what the hell. Ding...ding...ding...ding... Move to 8" (strike out...LOL). I did not do a good job controlling heart beat. I actually did better with the Vortex Gen III than my M18 308!!! (that says I suck...lol). Still not happy with my zero of the 308 since I zero'd at 25 yards for a 100 yard zero.

I want to thank you for encouraging me to try this thing. I'm sold. So the adjustment is in MOA. Who cares. I'm not even bothering "setting 0" since it's capped. The thing is fantastic!!!!!! Very rare for a mistake to not drive me nuts; but having used this I went back and set my 1-8.5x Bushy to a 200 yard zero as well (not that it has a BDC), but keeps the concept the same between LPVO. I had it set up for more of a MPBR/battlesight-zero. Now only my red-dots are set to MPBR. I'd say the Bushy is a bit easier to get behind though; but that could be the difference between an ERA-TAC on the Vortex and a Bobro on the Bushy and a slight difference in height.

To be honest, I decided I'd take the Europtic deal on the 1-6.5x Bushy for a 2nd BDC optic. It won't be as nice; but the 1-8.5x is a very nice scope. So again, Rob, thanks for the encouragement. Loving this thing and the 5mph wind holds. Granted today I think there was a vacuum at the range along with 90% humidity.

 

[Trigger Monkey]

I did a review on the Gen III a while back and worked on this chart as part of where I mapped out the reticle fpr a few common cartridges. You may have to get a little creative with the zeros but you'll be able to get this thing pretty dead on. I wish I'd been able to keep it, it was a helluva scope.

 

[BytorJr]

I did a review on the Gen III a while back and worked on this chart as part of where I mapped out the reticle fpr a few common cartridges. You may have to get a little creative with the zeros but you'll be able to get this thing pretty dead on. I wish I'd been able to keep it, it was a helluva scope.

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THANK you!!! I've been shooting some Aguilla 55g with the intermittant 68 gain ASYM. As soon as I'm comfortable I'll start using my 77g SMK. I'm hording it. Good thing is, now I have reason to reload as I'm a brass cleaner galore. Some folks leave great brass at the range. Pretty sure only 1 firing or I wouldn't pick it up. 223, 308 - all over the place. IF we get through the election I'm going to have to move a car out of the garage and donate it to reloading area.

 

[Moose]

If you can't live with it just sell for small loss if any at all and get the mrad version.Or just call CS Tactical and run it past them.

 

[Rob01]

Well, I've had it out now twice since my last post. I had to move the scope a bit towards me as I had to have the stock up a bit more than I wanted. Shockingly, my zero held (thank you plumb bob). More shockingly is my second session today after thinking I'd go home (painting steel was done) I found a few new targets at 380 yards that were behind some at 200 yards. 10" steel. I said what the hell. Ding...ding...ding...ding... Move to 8" (strike out...LOL). I did not do a good job controlling heart beat. I actually did better with the Vortex Gen III than my M18 308!!! (that says I suck...lol). Still not happy with my zero of the 308 since I zero'd at 25 yards for a 100 yard zero.

I want to thank you for encouraging me to try this thing. I'm sold. So the adjustment is in MOA. Who cares. I'm not even bothering "setting 0" since it's capped. The thing is fantastic!!!!!! Very rare for a mistake to not drive me nuts; but having used this I went back and set my 1-8.5x Bushy to a 200 yard zero as well (not that it has a BDC), but keeps the concept the same between LPVO. I had it set up for more of a MPBR/battlesight-zero. Now only my red-dots are set to MPBR. I'd say the Bushy is a bit easier to get behind though; but that could be the difference between an ERA-TAC on the Vortex and a Bobro on the Bushy and a slight difference in height.

To be honest, I decided I'd take the Europtic deal on the 1-6.5x Bushy for a 2nd BDC optic. It won't be as nice; but the 1-8.5x is a very nice scope. So again, Rob, thanks for the encouragement. Loving this thing and the 5mph wind holds. Granted today I think there was a vacuum at the range along with 90% humidity.

Glad to have helped give a little push. LOL

 

[thehun]

I'd rather have mils than jack with a MOA/BDC combo...just my 2 cents...

 

[BytorJr]

I'd rather have mils than jack with a MOA/BDC combo...just my 2 cents...

I pretty much felt the same way, and still do for the most part. If it was an MOA version of the MIL reticle I'd be completely pissed off. But, I don't (didn't) have a BDC and since it's on a 5.56 platform I think it will work well. It's fast as hell and pretty nice glass and the "red dot" is "a red dot" - it's not Minox ZP glass, but it's not bad. Had Rob not chimed in, I'd probably think it was the end of the world and sell. But....sometimes, BDC's do work and are quick - which is a big positive for the the rifle on which it has taken residence.

Now, if this were my only optic...yes, I'd be a lot more upset.

 

[thehun]

I pretty much felt the same way, and still do for the most part. If it was an MOA version of the MIL reticle I'd be completely pissed off. But, I don't (didn't) have a BDC and since it's on a 5.56 platform I think it will work well. It's fast as hell and pretty nice glass and the "red dot" is "a red dot" - it's not Minox ZP glass, but it's not bad. Had Rob not chimed in, I'd probably think it was the end of the world and sell. But....sometimes, BDC's do work and are quick - which is a big positive for the the rifle on which it has taken residence.

Now, if this were my only optic...yes, I'd be a lot more upset.

I hear you...but BDCs do limit you to a degree...and I do not like being limited...this is me personally...but my platforms change...it is so much more easier to just know your drops in mils and match it to the mils than having to remember that "5" is really 437...

If you have a dedicate 3-gun rifle...than the MOA/BDC works really well...

 

[BytorJr]

I hear you...but BDCs do limit you to a degree...and I do not like being limited...this is me personally...but my platforms change...it is so much more easier to just know your drops in mils and match it to the mils than having to remember that "5" is really 437...

If you have a dedicate 3-gun rifle...than the MOA/BDC works really well...

Absolutely no disagreement on that philosophy as that's been my usual MO (not A). Know your dope. At 5.56 practical range a BDC makes a lot more sense (to me) than on a 308/6.5 CM/ 6mm ARC, etc. I'll play this game a while and see. I doubt they'll lose much value in the future.

I knew when I bought it (though I was planning on it being mils) that this was going on one particular platform and that it was to be "one-size-fits-all" type optic. The only downside is that it's really only good for 2 calibers - which is fine for me since I "standardized" for the exact reason we're seeing today on the ammo market. Right now, I'm trying to limit my ammo burn to < 50 rounds a session of 223. Mainly because I need experience and still sighting/re-verifying a few optics. I suspect in the next week I'll have finished up my "tuning" and will kick back with my Ardbeg or The Lagavulin and watch as the world goes to hell.

Now off to get food, come back and mount another scope . One day, I may be good at that. Maybe. But the wheeler laser lets me down a lot of the time (but at least I'm not sticking shit in my barrel from the wrong end..aka...my justification). Mainly it lets me down on anything with a brake, flash hider, combo - actual crowned barrels it seems to be very reliable.

 

[longshot2000]

I plan on picking up a Vortex Razor 1-10x. And like you, I'm getting the Mrad reticle. The optic will be used on 5.56mm, 7.62x51mm, and possibly even 6.5 Grendel. So the BDC reticle simply won't cut it.

If you have any similar plans, I do whatever is needed to get the one you want.

The most popular scope of 2020, and as mentioned, generally backordered. I just placed our fourth order for Vortex scopes, and am looking at 7 months for next delivery. Generally Vortex exceeds their promise dates, but these have been slow to ship.

Same is true with other quality scopes and quality rifles this year. Burris and Canik pistols are easy to find. LMT and Cadex and Colt.... much harder.

 

[erwos]

If you have a dedicate 3-gun rifle...than the MOA/BDC works really well...

This is how I use my RG3, and IMHO it's the way to go. Even though 3gun stages are known distance (although it would be an interesting match if they weren't!), I personally like NOT having to remember my drops in addition to the ranges of different targets while on I'm the timer. Some people clearly make it work, though, and more power to them.