Well after owning my Vudoo for 24 hours all I can say is that it is going to cost me a lot of money on ammunition. I have shot 250 round of Lapua Center X and I plan on shooting another 250 rounds tomorrow. I know that Lapua is the best of the best and boy does my gun love it but how is Prime’s 22LR ammunition? I had good luck with Prime in my 6.5 creed and would hope that I could get decent results with their 22LR. I know it won’t be like Center X but looking for a range ammunition for fun and for high volume shooting and save the Center X for matches. What is everyone’s opinion on Prime or is there and better cost alternative that I should look at?
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Prime .22 does not have a good rep. I know a few people who have tried it and not been happy. You want a less costly ammo then try the SK offerings. Rifle match works well and even standard does ok out to about 100 yards.
Rob01 thank you for your input. I will look at SK and may order a case to try out. I will say that I thought PRS style of shooting was addictive but this 22 LR shooting is a whole other level. No recoil and can have so much fun at 100 yards.
I picked up my Vudoo Thursday & competed today (Saturday) in my local NRL22 match. It has an 18” Kukri Ace barrel, Calvin Elite trigger, Midas Tac 4-16 & Grayboe Ridgeback stock. I placed 4th out of 19 shooters & never came in below 9th previously (with an incostitent FVSR). Shooting SK rifle match, this thing is just consistent & so easy to get on target. I cleaned all prone stages & need to work on my elevated positional shooting; kneeling, sitting & off obstacles.
I am beyond happy with my new Vudoo! Thank you to everyone at VGW for an outstanding rifle.
I am beyond happy with my new Vudoo! Thank you to everyone at VGW for an outstanding rifle.
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Did some more shooting trying to figure out the mysterious first- second shot low issue I've come across.
Went to the same range 100 yards about the same temp as usual
Brought 7 different types of ammo.
Had my original wolf target match as well as:
Wolf match extra
2 types of eley
2 types of sk
Federal match
Since wolf target match and match extra both showed the same symptoms I tool 2 boxes (50 rounds each, same lots as last time) and loaded them each by hand....yes that was the biggest pain in the ass ever.
Previously wolf target match would give me about .75 MOA 5 shots at 100 yards
Wolf match extra would be even better hovering around .6 MOA with 3-4 shots in a clover...wanted that to work so bad.
Anyway, after the load one shoot one I found that:
There wound up being 3 distinct groups with a some flyers in the middle...crazy
It's almost like there was a mixture of several lots in a box.
The accuracy was still very good but just not consistent.
I wish I stopped shooting at one point and saved the target, 4 consecutive shots from the same box...one low about 1 inch...one back to POA... next one went back low but actually went through the same hole I almost thought I had a squib...next shot was back to POA....that went through the same hole as the second shot.
It was crazy, if that was a real group it was under .2" easy.
Also I found wolf has different brass dimensions.
It would go from the bolt closing on its own to me putting enough force that I'd wobble the rifle.
Tried the eley and had pretty good accuracy but same stiff bolt issue, then I looked at the bottom of the brass and eley makes wolf ammo.
Tried federal match but the rifle didn't like it at all, that's now been relagated to the kids hitting spinners
Then tried some sk match, almost the exact poi of the wolf that I had my rifle zeroed for.
Loaded up both mags figuring that I'd have to season the barrel with the new lube.
20 shots in pretty rapid shooting about 1.2 MOA.
Bolt slid closed and open like I didn't even take around.
I think the sk has more case lube as well or more "oil" less "wax", case feels slimier.
I loaded another mag and actually tried for a 10 round group.
Prob around .8-.9 MOA at 100 yards but no crazy flyers like before.
I'll be be on the sk band wagon for a bit, I'll tell you how it works out.
Went to the same range 100 yards about the same temp as usual
Brought 7 different types of ammo.
Had my original wolf target match as well as:
Wolf match extra
2 types of eley
2 types of sk
Federal match
Since wolf target match and match extra both showed the same symptoms I tool 2 boxes (50 rounds each, same lots as last time) and loaded them each by hand....yes that was the biggest pain in the ass ever.
Previously wolf target match would give me about .75 MOA 5 shots at 100 yards
Wolf match extra would be even better hovering around .6 MOA with 3-4 shots in a clover...wanted that to work so bad.
Anyway, after the load one shoot one I found that:
There wound up being 3 distinct groups with a some flyers in the middle...crazy
It's almost like there was a mixture of several lots in a box.
The accuracy was still very good but just not consistent.
I wish I stopped shooting at one point and saved the target, 4 consecutive shots from the same box...one low about 1 inch...one back to POA... next one went back low but actually went through the same hole I almost thought I had a squib...next shot was back to POA....that went through the same hole as the second shot.
It was crazy, if that was a real group it was under .2" easy.
Also I found wolf has different brass dimensions.
It would go from the bolt closing on its own to me putting enough force that I'd wobble the rifle.
Tried the eley and had pretty good accuracy but same stiff bolt issue, then I looked at the bottom of the brass and eley makes wolf ammo.
Tried federal match but the rifle didn't like it at all, that's now been relagated to the kids hitting spinners
Then tried some sk match, almost the exact poi of the wolf that I had my rifle zeroed for.
Loaded up both mags figuring that I'd have to season the barrel with the new lube.
20 shots in pretty rapid shooting about 1.2 MOA.
Bolt slid closed and open like I didn't even take around.
I think the sk has more case lube as well or more "oil" less "wax", case feels slimier.
I loaded another mag and actually tried for a 10 round group.
Prob around .8-.9 MOA at 100 yards but no crazy flyers like before.
I'll be be on the sk band wagon for a bit, I'll tell you how it works out.
Joined the Vudoo club ?? Hopefully it’ll stop raining so I can start shooting the sh!t out of it!
Welcome to the world of rimfire ammunition and it's consistently inconsistent performance.
Since you have a Vudoo you now have a means of seeing just how bad 22LR ammo is, at least you've eliminated one variable, the rifle's performance. I chrony every shot I take at ARA rimfire matches, and the large ES and std DV values are eye opening, even among the expensive match grade brands.
I've gotten to the point of just using Lapua Center-x for matches now as it has the best price vs performance value, and SK+ and Rifle Match ammo for practice or silhouette. I'll still get turd or two out of a box of Xact or Midas+ or the Black Box Eley's and the expense isn't justified IMO. Fortunately for me, both the Vudoo and the Anschutz's favor Lapua branded ammo over the Eley offerings.
A quick look through the smartphone app for the chrony tells a story:
Vudoo bolt action, 70 degree day 30.33 inHg 5300' Alt
CCI SV 70 shots
std dev 13.5
ES 61
min 1039
max 1100
averg 1070.4
Center-X 189 shots
std dev 7.4
ES 40
min 1099
max 1139
averg 1117.3
You definitely get better ammo for more $$. I've pretty much given up on domestic 22LR ammo as the European offerings are so much better in performance. Also, CCI rounds tend to run dimensionally larger in brass size, grab a pair of calipers and check the various brands. I have far less extraction problems when I don't use CCI, especially in the semi-autos.
Sexy! Is that k515i?
What size rings arc?
Arc lows and k318i? Bolt comes real close to the ocular...
Im still waiting for my barreled action from ffl.i also got low arc thats why i asked.but im using k5-25
Pm me if your looking for some arc mediums. 34mm
Looks awesome! Not sure about the brake. But other than that, awesome! I like the fluted barrel.
It also came with thread protector color match as barrel..
Why do you have a brake on it? Mine is the same with the thread protector.It also came with thread protector color match as barrel..
Well just to protect crown i guess and hawaii wont allow suppressor lol
I got ya. Might cause accuracy issues, but you can see and report back. Several have reported decreased accuracy with brakes on rimfires.
Pistol Match, Rifle Match, of Pistol Match Special?
With my last lots of SK my rifle liked Pistol Match vs Rifle match at 100 & 200yds. I just bought 1k rounds of Rifle match to confirm this Spring. It also does well with Standard Plus.
Interesting...i didnt think brake would bother a 22lr harmonics?
I can’t say from expirence. I have just heard that. My speculation is uneven air disturbance.
Ill try put it together and shoot it with and without brake..
ty for the advice..i think you probably right on this one I am interested to see what you find. No reason for a brake really, but still interesting. My vudoo seems to like federal gold medal match very well. Best numbers so far. Out shoots eley, center x, sk and all others to this time.Ill try put it together and shoot it with and without brake..
Blue box?
The federal I’m using is red box.
Does it feed flawlessly? I got sk standard and some rws
Im thinking of trying the new mdt acc chassis
Right on. Love my mpa’s. I don’t see why mdt is charging so much more for the same features. But they are trendy right now.
Or none folder krg od green?
Ran krg. I prefer mpa. Just my preference.Or none folder krg od green?
I had quiet a few chassis from krg ax Ai cadex etc. But never tried mpa..
I ordered a Vudoo in an mpa comp chassis I’m also located in Hawaii if you want to check out the chassis. Mpa is super popular now figured I should get one to check it out.
Tnx for the offer brudah..im guessing you're on oahu..im from kauai..i checked mdt and theyre about same price
Be careful, you just may like them (a lot)
Hmmm im not really fan of gripping while shooting or AR config..but we'll see
What rings and ring height are you guys using for Athlon Aris etr with 30 moa base?
ARC medium?
ARC medium?
Vudoo offers 30 moa rail?
Yes
I'm using these with a 30MOA rail, zero complaints. Well made, good fit, reasonable price.
222 34mm Fixed High Rings -
Permanently attaches to base. Square recoil control key for positive engagement of ring to base. Rings securely mount around scope using 4 Torx style T-15 socket cap screws, 25 in/lb. of torque recommended.
warnescopemounts.com I have them on 4 rifles.
Perfect thankyou. What height rings?I'm using these with a 30MOA rail, zero complaints. Well made, good fit, reasonable price.
222 34mm Fixed High Rings -
Permanently attaches to base. Square recoil control key for positive engagement of ring to base. Rings securely mount around scope using 4 Torx style T-15 socket cap screws, 25 in/lb. of torque recommended.
I have them on 4 rifles.
You don’t Grip while shooting. Look up the mpa enhanced vertical grip. Shoots similar to a stock with your thumb on the side not wrapped around.Hmmm im not really fan of gripping while shooting or AR config..but we'll see
ARC mediums for me.
UPDATE: Actually, mine ARCs were on a 20MOA base and kukri barrel. I think it would be fine with a 30MOA base as well. After adding defender caps, it got tighter but had room, So it may depend on the caps you use.
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High, as the link displays.
Hmmm im not really fan of gripping while shooting or AR config..but we'll see
Done grip. Fingers on the front of the grip and thumb on the side, not wrapped around the back.
Yep, I'm using a 30moa now but soon to be replaced by a 60mao rail.
How far youre shooting???
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