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Wait - so they want to erase the Civil War?

41 republicans also voted to remove the statue. People need to realize neither party is on the side of the people. It’s all theatre to keep the sheeple occupied and divided. While they slowly take away our freedoms and erase our history.


Dan Crenhaw was one of those RINOs. And Steve Scalise. Nancy Mace. And the one person who I thought always did a great job to fiscally expose this administration, David Schweikert.
#DEFEND ARLINGTON​
Who Voted BAD on GOOD???​
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I don’t like the term “Rhino”. This term is a play on words to convince the stupid among us that the republican party has a handful of ill willed defectors working against the party. This couldn’t be more opposite and obvious. The Republican party itself is made up nearly entirely of what the fools call “rhinos”. A voting man would have to be either ignorant or a misfit to consider himself a republican and support this party.
 
So will there be a new one so its nice and fresh in peoples minds?
 
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Having hundreds of thousands of white people die to end slavery doesn't play into the current narrative.

Oh and it was democrats who freed the slaves... according to revisionist democrats.

The Republican party was Founded over Emancipation... to end slavery. That history does not get taught any more.

Sirhr
 
There will be no “Reconciliation Monument” after the next one.

Look what happened after the hand was extended to them for the first one.
 
What gives Jojo the right to do that? Isnt it managed by the NPS?

Fuck
Jpe
Biden
 
I don’t like the term “Rhino”. This term is a play on words to convince the stupid among us that the republican party has a handful of ill willed defectors working against the party. This couldn’t be more opposite and obvious. The Republican party itself is made up nearly entirely of what the fools call “rhinos”. A voting man would have to be either ignorant or a misfit to consider himself a republican and support this party.
Agreed, well said sir.
 
Having hundreds of thousands of white people die to end slavery doesn't play into the current narrative.

Oh and it was democrats who freed the slaves... according to revisionist democrats.

The Republican party was Founded over Emancipation... to end slavery. That history does not get taught any more.

Sirhr
The civil war was not fought to free slaves.
This was in the first wave of revisionist history.
You'll dig deep to find records of the New York riots, after Lincoln issued his proclamation.
No one was fighting to free slaves, nor keep slaves.
 
Removing the statues won't change history, and/or cover it up or make it disappear. The statues should be looked upon and remind us of what happened to put them there. Remind us of the lives given in a horrible war that saved a young country and ended slavery.
Slavery is a black eye of the U.S. past, however at the time slavery was accepted here and abroad. Isn't slavery still happening in other countries even today? Every country and culture has their own embarrassing pasts. History should be studied and not forgotten.
 
Removing the statues won't change history, and/or cover it up or make it disappear. The statues should be looked upon and remind us of what happened to put them there. Remind us of the lives given in a horrible war that saved a young country and ended slavery.
Slavery is a black eye of the U.S. past, however at the time slavery was accepted here and abroad. Isn't slavery still happening in other countries even today? Every country and culture has their own embarrassing pasts. History should be studied and not forgotten.
The only reason to erase history… is to be sure you get a chance to repeat the same mistakes.
 
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You have no say in the matter you're only a renter on government land.
 
Removing the statues won't change history, and/or cover it up or make it disappear. The statues should be looked upon and remind us of what happened to put them there. Remind us of the lives given in a horrible war that saved a young country and ended slavery.
Slavery is a black eye of the U.S. past, however at the time slavery was accepted here and abroad. Isn't slavery still happening in other countries even today? Every country and culture has their own embarrassing pasts. History should be studied and not forgotten.
The war of northern aggression didn’t save a country. A tyrannical and overbearing federal gov’t was victorious and we are still dealing with the consequences.
 
We are approaching the end stage of this government…. Hopefully I’m dead and gone before it falls to become ruled by a communist dictator.
 
Removing the statues won't change history, and/or cover it up or make it disappear. The statues should be looked upon and remind us of what happened to put them there. Remind us of the lives given in a horrible war that saved a young country and ended slavery.
Slavery is a black eye of the U.S. past, however at the time slavery was accepted here and abroad. Isn't slavery still happening in other countries even today? Every country and culture has their own embarrassing pasts. History should be studied and not forgotten.
Yes. Slavery is still here. Only you and the workin folks that pay for the other motherfuckers that won’t !
 
We are approaching the end stage of this government…. Hopefully I’m dead and gone before it falls to become ruled by a communist dictator.
It will be ruled by a dictator one day its the natural progression of democracies which typically last 200 years , we are 47 years pass the historical lifespan so I see it happen sooner then later. I don't know if the clock can be reset for another 200 years if wet work is performed with a new constitution written.......
 
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Yes. Slavery is still here. Only you and the workin folks that pay for the other motherfuckers that won’t !
I wasn't even talking about that kind of slavery. Factor that in and 75% of the country is slaves.
Its a shame we don't have time machines that can take folks back in time without letting them interfere.
 
Its funny as the Taliban tore down the history of Afghanistan that they say as "unsightly" or "immoral" including beautiful ancient statues of Buddah.

ISIS blows up ruins at random, even muslim shrines (I beleive they dynamited the reported tomb of Jonah, he of the Whale for us Christians)

And now Dems tearing down Civil war monuments. hmmmm
 
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Wait - so they want to erase the Civil War?​


So....where the fuck have you been for the last 10 years or so ?

It all started with them saying the confederate flag was sooooo bad for everyone.
I mean, it was like racist and shit.
Right ?

BTW, you can't change history, no matter how badly you want to, or how hard you try.
 
The civil war was not fought to free slaves.
This was in the first wave of revisionist history.
You'll dig deep to find records of the New York riots, after Lincoln issued his proclamation.
No one was fighting to free slaves, nor keep slaves.

Well, yes and no. Depends on the perspectives and how deep one wants to look at the causality.

The Civil War was in large part sparked by the Abolitionist Movement. Almost solely based in the Northern States, particularly MA, NY and (yes) VT. Activists who had education and/or free time on their hands (for the first time) decided that they needed to right a perceived wrong. Actually a real wrong. But one that could not be addressed at the time of the Revolution or the Constitutional Convention because the Southern States were needed for a "United" States.

And because of the invention of the cotton Gin and, geography and a number of other factors, the Southern Economy was totally dependant on slave labor. Plus the value of slave 'property' was worth more than all the banks, railroads and factories in the North. So slavey was totally an economic issue. Even many Southerners agreed that slavery needed to end... but saw it as somthing that would happen into the future when A. Slaves were ready. B. When economic replacements were availalbe (labor saving machines... The Irish... etc) So for the South any attack by abolitionists was an attack on their economy and their way of life.

The spark for the successionist movement was probably the Idiot Reverand John Brown whose takeover of Harpers Ferry and 'brilliant' plan to cause a slave revolt... ended up with him swinging from a rope. BUT it suddenly galvanized Southerners to form militias, drill, buy weapons, artillery, etc. And the talk of succession rose considerably. Why? To protect their economics, property and way of life from a Northern Mob (aka John Brown) who was going to try and tell them how to live.

This was exacerbated by the entrance of Kansas and Missouri into the Union. Why? Because noone would allow there to be more 'slave' than 'free' states. On the basis that if the free states got more representation, they would legislate the Southern Way of Life (and Economics) out of existance. This was why during the Constitutional Convention, Southern States were allowed House of Representative Members based on the (non-voting) slave population with each slave being counted as 3/5ths of a person. Allowing more Southern Congressional districts than there were white male landed voters. Bleeding Kansas and the Kansas/Missouri Border wars were another ember on the soon-to-erupt situation.

Then the old Whig party disintigrated and a new party, devoted to abolition, formed. Called the Republican Party. And also devoted to the supremacy of the Republic over the individual rights of the states. Initially small, it attracted a lot of followers as the 1850's progressed. Especially among Northerners and urban populations. Also propelled by a new thing called 'media' and an economic boom that allowed a newly-literate society to read newspapers, pamphlets and participate in politics. One of the 'rock star' events of the era were the Lincoln-Douglas Debates where a (so called) self-made Northern Orator named Abraham Lincoln became a superstar arguing Republican points of view. During this time, the President, James Buchanan... a bilthering idiot... did nothing to calm sentiments or look for an 'out' from the situation of abolitionists vs. Southern States.

When Lincoln was nominated for President, the South assumed that as soon as he was elected, he would abolish slavery. Even though he said, unequivocally, that he would not. He only wanted to preserve the Union and was fully-prepared to work with Southern States to keep them in the Union. Noone believed him in the South. So they seceeded. Basically right as he was elected. Lincoln would not allow them to seceed (which he HAD said he would not allow) and war kicked off at Bull Run (First Manassas).

War came about to preserve the Union as far as Lincoln was concerned. To preserve their way of life, economy and property, according to Southerners.

The "free the slaves" bit came well into the war as popularity for the war was waning in the North and the fronts were stagnated. Lincoln's cabinet felt he needed something 'greater' as a cause. And said it was time to make the war about something greater. He was strongly being pushed by wealthy Northern Abolitionists and Frederick Douglas (not the same guy he debated). Lincoln agreed but said it could not take place until momentum was on the Union Side. And after Vicksburg and Gettysburg, Lincoln felt the time was right and changed the narrative.

And to your point, Chickn, a lot of people in the North were NOT happy with the changed Narrative. Lots of Copperheads and Northern Democrats were utterly against emancipation. But that became the 'narrative' for the rest of the war.

Of course, modern Democrats will have you believe that all the slaves were owned by Republicans, not Southern Democrats. That Republicans formed the KKK, not Southern Democrats. That Republicans firehosed marchers in Selma... not Southern Democrats. That Republicans shot MLK, not Southern Democrats. That Republicans bombed Churches, not Southern Democrats. And that Republicans want blacks in Ghettos and jails, not modern-day Democrats who simply want the African-American vote... while keeping them as a crop inside urban plantations and harvesting them for ballots every two years. The truth hurts, Demo-commies, doesn't it? But since the commies own the media... and the education system... they have the levers of propaganda. And we get to meme about it.

Anyhoo... Pardon my errors and controversial remarks. Going from memory here and only half a cup of coffee so far. So my bad if I screwed up.

Sirhr
 
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Well, yes and no. Depends on the perspectives and how deep one wants to look at the causality.

The Civil War was in large part sparked by the Abolitionist Movement. Almost solely based in the Northern States, particularly MA, NY and (yes) VT. Activists who had education and/or free time on their hands (for the first time) decided that they needed to right a perceived wrong. Actually a real wrong. But one that could not be addressed at the time of the Revolution or the Constitutional Convention because the Southern States were needed for a "United" States.

And because of the invention of the cotton Gin and, geography and a number of other factors, the Southern Economy was totally dependant on slave labor. Plus the value of slave 'property' was worth more than all the banks, railroads and factories in the North. So slavey was totally an economic issue. Even many Southerners agreed that slavery needed to end... but saw it as somthing that would happen into the future when A. Slaves were ready. B. When economic replacements were availalbe (labor saving machines... The Irish... etc) So for the South any attack by abolitionists was an attack on their economy and their way of life.

The spark for the successionist movement was probably the Idiot Reverand John Brown whose takeover of Harpers Ferry and 'brilliant' plan to cause a slave revolt... ended up with him swinging from a rope. BUT it suddenly galvanized Southerners to form militias, drill, buy weapons, artillery, etc. And the talk of succession rose considerably. Why? To protect their economics, property and way of life from a Northern Mob (aka John Brown) who was going to try and tell them how to live.

This was exacerbated by the entrance of Kansas and Missouri into the Union. Why? Because noone would allow there to be more 'slave' than 'free' states. On the basis that if the free states got more representation, they would legislate the Southern Way of Life (and Economics) out of existance. This was why during the Constitutional Convention, Southern States were allowed House of Representative Members based on the (non-voting) slave population with each slave being counted as 3/5ths of a person. Allowing more Southern Congressional districts than there were white male landed voters. Bleeding Kansas and the Kansas/Missouri Border wars were another ember on the soon-to-erupt situation.

Then the old Whig party disintigrated and a new party, devoted to abolition, formed. Called the Republican Party. And also devoted to the supremacy of the Republic over the individual rights of the states. Initially small, it attracted a lot of followers as the 1950's progressed. Especially among Northerners and urban populations. Also propelled by a new thing called 'media' and an economic boom that allowed a newly-literate society to read newspapers, pamphlets and participate in politics. One of the 'rock star' events of the era were the Lincoln-Douglas Debates where a (so called) self-made Northern Orator named Abraham Lincoln became a superstar arguing Republican points of view. During this time, the President, James Buchanan... a bilthering idiot... did nothing to calm sentiments or look for an 'out' from the situation of abolitionists vs. Southern States.

When Lincoln was nominated for President, the South assumed that as soon as he was elected, he would abolish slavery. Even though he said, unequivocally, that he would not. He only wanted to preserve the Union and was fully-prepared to work with Southern States to keep them in the Union. Noone believed him in the South. So they seceeded. Basically right as he was elected. Lincoln would not allow them to seceed (which he HAD said he would not allow) and war kicked off at Bull Run (First Manassas).

War came about to preserve the Union as far as Lincoln was concerned. To preserve their way of life, economy and property, according to Southerners.

The "free the slaves" bit came well into the war as popularity for the war was waning in the North and the fronts were stagnated. Lincoln's cabinet felt he needed something 'greater' as a cause. And said it was time to make the war about something greater. He was strongly being pushed by wealthy Northern Abolitionists and Frederick Douglas (not the same guy he debated). Lincoln agreed but said it could not take place until momentum was on the Union Side. And after Vicksburg and Gettysburg, Lincoln felt the time was right and changed the narrative.

And to your point, Chickn, not a lot of people in the North were happy with the changed Narrative. Lots of Copperheads and Northern Democrats were utterly against emancipation. But that became the 'narrative' for the rest of the war.

Of course, modern Democrats will have you believe that all the slaves were owned by Republicans, not Southern Democrats. That Republicans formed the KKK, not Southern Democrats. That Republicans firehosed marchers in Selma... not Southern Democrats. That Republicans shot MLK, not Southern Democrats. That Republicans bombed Churches, not Southern Democrats. And that Republicans want blacks in Ghettos and jails, not modern-day Democrats who simply want the African-American vote... while keeping them as a crop inside urban plantations and harvesting them for ballots every two years. The truth hurts, Demo-commies, doesn't it? But since the commies own the media... and the education system... they have the levers of propaganda. And we get to meme about it.

Anyhoo... Pardon my errors and controversial remarks. Going from memory here and only half a cup of coffee so far. So my bad if I screwed up.

Sirhr
You left off a lot. The South was getting raped and robbed by the north and the money stolen by the politicians at the time with the help of their badged anything for a paycheck misfits was used to enrich politicians and build up the north at the expense of the southern states.

This was one reason so many of the anti-federalists despised the adoption of the constitution that so many are indoctrinated into believing its “holy book” status. Most of what they knew would happen because of the centralized overbearing power of the federal gov’t described in the constitution did/is happening then and today.
 
The American Civil War, known in the South as the War of Northern Aggression, will soon be known as the War of Independence for Republican Held Slaves. "History is written by the victors."
 
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Where are the museums and historical organizations that could take in these monuments? Surely it would make a good addition to a civil war exhibit or site. Of course the biden admin probably wants it erased, but historical monuments get moved around all the time.
 
Where are the museums and historical organizations that could take in these monuments? Surely it would make a good addition to a civil war exhibit or site. Of course the biden admin probably wants it erased, but historical monuments get moved around all the time.
I wonder how much it would cost to move it to my front lawn?
 
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The civil war was not fought to free slaves.
This was in the first wave of revisionist history.
You'll dig deep to find records of the New York riots, after Lincoln issued his proclamation.
No one was fighting to free slaves, nor keep slaves.
The Emancipation Proclamation only "Freed" the slaves in the "States in Rebellion". It did nothing for the slaves inhte North. A critic of the times said (I'm slightly mis-remembering it): "He freed the slaves where he had no authority to do so, and did nothing for the slaves he had power to help". The Union states in which Slavery was still legal, refused "compensated Emancipation (Taxpayer paying owners for slaves freedom)
 
Where are the museums and historical organizations that could take in these monuments? Surely it would make a good addition to a civil war exhibit or site. Of course the biden admin probably wants it erased, but historical monuments get moved around all the time.
The historical organization that was supposed to store and display the VA statues in “the proper context” just smelted them down and bragged about it in the media.