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I just started running in addition to weights.

I feel it clears my head better and gives me more energy. I definitely feel better than when I just lift.

How much running can you do before it starts eating muscle mass?
 
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It doesn't "Eat" muscle mass. Weights=Anaerobic. Running=Aerobic. They are two different things. When I swam as a "Yute", we did both the swimming and weight lifting. They compliment each other--which is why football players made great swimmers--generally big on muscle mass, give em some endurance: viola profit.
 
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Look into heart rate / zone training. It’ll give details about different heart rates, the effects on the body and how energy is consumed - which will help you determine how far and fast you want to run.

If that’s to in depth, look up “Hal higdon” - elite runner who puts out run training programs for free on his website. Pick a few workouts from it and run a few miles a week and you’ll be fine
 
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Been a weight lifter and cyclist for many years and the two compliment each other. Lifting provides strength and the aerobic provides endurance. Was a runner in my twenties but stopped due to nagging injuries since I am not really built for running. My daughter who competes in Cross Fit added cycling to her regimen and improved her performance.
 
It doesn't "Eat" muscle mass. Weights=Anaerobic. Running=Aerobic. They are two different things. When I swam as a "Yute", we did both the swimming and weight lifting. They compliment each other--which is why football players made great swimmers--generally big on muscle mass, give em some endurance: viola profit.
Enough running will absolutely eat muscle mass. Football players may make great swimmers (I don't know), and sprinters generally make great wide receivers (so long as they don't have stone hands), but football players make for non-competitive marathoners...
 
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Staying anabolic will keep you from consuming muscle. So long as you hammer your legs on leg day you should be fine . In case you didn't know , anabolic means enough protein to feed your muscles . Catabolic is when hour body consume muscle for protein . And to much protein ( over 300 grams a day ) can damage your kidneys .
 
FWIW - It is about the diet. You really have to come see food as fuel only, you have to want more out of your body than you do the taste of whatever.

You need to consume 1 - 2 grams of protein x lean mass per day, stay within a caloric window (based on your goal - loose BF or gain muscle), and within the ratio of protein / fats / carbs that is best suited to your goal.

Days you do not run - do not eat carbs.
Never eat sugar
While loosing BF, lift heavier weight & try to build muscle mass - this in turn burns more calories
When you hit 12% - 15% BF (visible abs) - begin body recomp - which largely means tweaking your training, bumping calories (and protein) while staying within your correct macros for what your trying to accomplish.

*People make it seem like a mystery when it isn't - stop eating processed shit, know and understand nutrition, move heavy objects, run with correct biomechanical form so as to prevent injury. Your BF will drop, your strength will increase, you will put on size. Easy peasy - right?
 
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Don't worry about "eating" muscle mass (David Goggins runs 20-30 miles/day and bikes 50 miles/day, and he appears to have a healthy amount of muscle mass and functional strength).

Do worry about trying to optimize VO2max vs. VLamax, unless you don't know that those terms mean; in that case, you're not really serious about anything that is going to be affected by your workout balance. Continue to distribute your training stress as you see fit and make sure you're getting the correct macros to support your training.

Nice to see you doing something healthier than shit-posting the conspiracy of the week.
 
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Not to take anything away from this topic, but we do have a Fitness Forum for this sort of stuff...

Greg

Not many conspiracies posted in that subforum, though (well, other than the idea that medically-accepted free testosterone levels are well below what is healthy for a male in his mid-50s who has sat at a desk for 30 years but now wants to immediately feel 18 years old again).
 
a couple of years ago i decided i would step in the ring and box a real USA boxing sanctioned boxing match.

i thought i was in decent shape up to that point. id been doing Crossfit since before it was the thing to do and you got the workouts online and did the WOD in your garage. i oly lifted along with my crossfit workouts. Before starting the boxing training, at 36 YO, i did a pretty easy mile with hills at 7:10. Not great, not bad, considering im 6-4, 230 at the time. Several times a year i would do the Murph workout with either a real plate carrier or a 25 pound workout weigh vest. it sucked, took me an hour, but i would do every rep.


enter the boxing gym and 3-4 times a week boxing training (45-55 minutes core excersises, bag work, foot work drills etc) . they said stop lifting weights, so i did. cut out carbs on the diet again, and went high protein and vegetables. In 4 months i lost 19 pounds. i felt terrific, except for that repeatedly getting punched in the face thing, but i got used to that. i had more lean muscle than ever, my cardio was incredible, and i was just all around built for speed and punching power; hands, feet, legs, everything.

Got in the ring in front of 1,000 people and won my fight by unanimous decision, with my opponent needing a standing 8 count once. the fight was exhausting, if i hadnt poured 4 month of training prior to it, id have fell down or passed out in the middle.


now to the running. during the training, i never ran at all. lots of jump rope though. 2 months after the fight, i did my yearly Tough Mudder, about the 8th one id done. 13 miles, in May, in Texas. i breezed through it without laboring, at all. 3 hours of running and obstacles, never started breathing hard. it was incredible, to say the least.

TL;DR: Give a good try to boxing training for an entire month, with actual proper diet, and see if it doesnt change your life. The cardio is where its at.
 
If i’m just running 2-3 miles per day, I shouldn’t worry about losing muscle right?

Fuck no. Before I completely trashed this body, I used to run 5-8 miles every morning, sometimes in the afternoon too, and was still crushing the PT test. The runners can still push shit. But the pushers, they can't run. Too goddamn heavy.

Navy SEALs said the best candidates, with respect to sports played prior to training, were Lacrosse players, not football.

God I wish I could still run. But after multiple foot surgeries, that's over.

Swimming is easier on your body. Part of the reason for all the foot surgeries and the fact I need two new knees before 45 is due to impact stress. But there were time I ran with full armor and kit and sometimes with a ruck... Wish I could take some of that back.

I guess all I'm saying is, do it right, don't do it stupid like me.
 
If i’m just running 2-3 miles per day, I shouldn’t worry about losing muscle right?

Not if you have a specific goal. If your wanting over all health and conditioning, run. If you're trying to put on muscle, run less or none at all. Pick one goal and chase it. You'll see better results. If you attack if from all angles, expect slower results. You can get an aerobic workout from weights, not just running.

Difficult topic to advise on unless you have a specific goal. Can never be wrong doing both weights and running.
 
Enough running will absolutely eat muscle mass. Football players may make great swimmers (I don't know), and sprinters generally make great wide receivers (so long as they don't have stone hands), but football players make for non-competitive marathoners...
Actually football players make bad marathoners because they weigh too much, not because their muscle gets eaten away. When you are at the top peak of your performance, you are optimized 100%, so a marathon runner, is going to have super endurance but 0 strength because they don't really need strength AND muscles weigh a lot so its faster for them to not be beefy. It has nothing to do with the training eating away their strength. In fact, there are weight divisions in running--there is a "Clydesdale" division because the sport recognizes that heavier people are at a disadvantage. Notice--its not FAT as the weight limit is like 160 lbs or something stupid low. I'M A STALLION BABY!!

The reason I mentioned swimmng is because everyone swam 8-10km per day, same as the cross country team ran (and the equivalent of 4X the distance if you look at times--100 m swimming is like 400yd running, so 10km is more like 40km running)--both the sprinters and the distance people. But it also required strength to propel you through the water. You absolutely can have both. So yeah, top people are 100% optimized for their sport. You can be strong and beefy and have endurance/running. No olympic medals for you--just good health (Weight training helps with flexibility which prevents injury).

Edit to say: you will eat muscle mass from anything if you F up your diet.
 
Actually football players make bad marathoners because they weigh too much, not because their muscle gets eaten away.

It was my understanding that football players make bad marathoners because they have large muscle mass comprised of fast-twist fiber, so they generate large amounts of lactic acid while making power via the anaerobic metabolic pathways. Probably makes for a miserable day before the first mile is complete.
 
I just started running in addition to weights.

I feel it clears my head better and gives me more energy. I definitely feel better than when I just lift.

How much running can you do before it starts eating muscle mass?
Back when I was really into both... I'd run before lifting. DId 2 - 3 miles before lifting. It was absolutely the best warmup.

But that was 30+ years ago... and what people know about metabolisms, etc. have changed since. But always started lifting out with a cardio session.

Best thing I can say is that... Still alive today. Something must have worked!

Cheers,

Sirhr