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Gunsmithing Well, some bad news

Revenge Seeker

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As some of you may have seen in the past few months, I've been working on the R&D/Procurement stage of machining my own custom bolt action receiver. This project started just over two months ago when I started at a local tool & die shop after searching for work high and low for over six months. Well, on Friday I got some bad news; the economy has fallen on its face once again, and for me, it's back to the bread line... And I regretfully now do not have access to the equipment I would need to be able to complete this project, so for now it's gone back to being no more than a dream. With that being said I would just like to thank everyone who got involved for your great hospitality and patience.


I guess some people may call it being stubborn, but this will not keep me down. The hunt for employment in the firearms industry is still going strong.

Thanks again all!
Toby Hagan
 
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i hear you. employment in my line of work (earth moving) is non-existent and it doesn't appear that it will get any better in the near future. i am trying to figure out how to go about turning a rifle building hobby into a money making job. right now i am stuck because i don't have a place that i could run a firearms related business out of. i sure as hell can't afford to pay rent on a shop with no income until the atf and local agencies take care of the licencing. i'm still trying to work it out but it is tough these days. what i do know is i don't want to go into debt over it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i hear you. employment in my line of work (earth moving) is non-existent and it doesn't appear that it will get any better in the near future...........</div></div>

Ditto here.

Startup cost is a problem with making guns for money, then there's the part of there not being alot if money in it.
 
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I wish you all the best and success getting the job of your dreams.
 
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I'll be honest; my resume/abilities are very extensive, especially for my age and the region. I've had very good paying jobs, right alongside jobs that just dont pay enough. So as much as it truly does have an effect in the choices we make/paths we go down, I'm okay with the fact that money really isn't the best in the gun plumbing business, but it's what I love. Sure, I might not be able to go buy a four bedroom house and a new car, but I'll be happy with what I'm doing, whether i end up rich, poor, or somewhere in the middle... I'm okay with it.
 
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Sorry to learn of your predicament. Im a toolmaker and over the past decade, Ive noticed the toolmaking industry going down hill as companies began sourcing more and more from China and elsewhere. I made a consious decision about 5 years back when I was made unemployed, that this would be the last time I would ever find myself in this situation as it had happened a few times before. I spent the past 5 years scrimping and scrounging and putting every bit of spare cash I had into opening my own custom shop. Now 5 years later, Im open and doing pretty well at that. It took me all that time to get there, it was a very hard road but one Im glad I travelled. Im still very much in the growing stages but I am growing and one day I will be as big as any of the big guys out there. Take it from me, make this an opportunity not a burden. People laughed at me when I told them what I was hoping to do, they taught Id never raise enough cash to get off the ground. A few very good people helped me with building and stuff like that and my hard work paid off. You dont need money to make your dream come true, you just need to have the dream and the money will come anyway.
 
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How about this. I was at the hospital recently for a family member, talking to the nurses in the cardiac portion of the hospital. Most have a 2 year degree and start out at like $37/hr on up to $57/hr and working 12's with lots of days off.

These are RN posistions. Anyone up for a career change? I'm not, but man the money looks good. Everytime I think "male nurse", I think "Meet the Fockers".
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WASP7067</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about this. I was at the hospital recently for a family member, talking to the nurses in the cardiac portion of the hospital. Most have a 2 year degree and start out at like $37/hr on up to $57/hr and working 12's with lots of days off.

These are RN posistions. Anyone up for a career change? I'm not, but man the money looks good. Everytime I think "male nurse", I think "Meet the Fockers". </div></div>

Actually I'm taking classes to get the pre-req's outta the way to go that route.... I can handle the male nurse crap while I get my BS degree (and probably have my employer pay for that-medical's real good on tuition reimbursement), then get into a Physician Assistant program and wind up playing doctor (that's the long term plan).
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Creeter2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And I regretfully now do not have access to the equipment I would need to be able to complete this project, so for now it's gone back to being no more than a dream.</div></div>

Ideas and designs don't die because access to the machinery is limited. Save 'em for later.
 
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I feel for you Bro . May 8th 2009 was my last date of Employment and its looking like spring before anything breaks loose at all . I am fortunate that my wife works and we have never been the type to get a new car every other year and live in a modest home that we bought over 10 years ago before the housing boom .

Even the medical fields are getting tougher to get into . One of the biggest local hospitals in our region has had a hiring freeze over the last year . If you want a nursing job you better have a 4 year degree and an in here in the Boise Valley .
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WASP7067</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about this. I was at the hospital recently for a family member, talking to the nurses in the cardiac portion of the hospital. Most have a 2 year degree and start out at like $37/hr on up to $57/hr and working 12's with lots of days off.

These are RN posistions. Anyone up for a career change? I'm not, but man the money looks good. Everytime I think "male nurse", I think "Meet the Fockers". </div></div>

regardless of gender, i don't think i could handle being a nurse. i'm not exactly a people person.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WASP7067</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about this. I was at the hospital recently for a family member, talking to the nurses in the cardiac portion of the hospital. Most have a 2 year degree and start out at like $37/hr on up to $57/hr and working 12's with lots of days off. </div></div>

Dont be fooled by the big money. My wife has been an RN for the last 12-13 years. You wont make that kinda money for a while and in the mean time you will be workin shit shifts and have no life. You will change bed pans and deal with the worst people. My wife works for one of the most innovative hospitals in the country. She has just gotten 10years of seniority and is still treated like shit. What my wife makes part time people would kill for that pay but it doesnt make up for all the bullshit she has to go thru. Choose your next career wisely. If you can scrape up 2-5000 dollars come to Michigan as you can buy equiptment for pennies on the dollar.

Rich
 
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^^
That's why its a means to an end for me. PA in Emergency Med is the real goal......
 
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I work in the towboating industry pushing oil up and down the mississippi...So far the crunch has affected us very little..Now who is to say in another 6 months things dont go sour...But so far so good.
I dont do this very often but creeter2 if you are looking for work i can proably hook you up.I wont lie the work is time consuming and boring as hell most of the time.If you have a family it is kinda hard to be away 28 days at a time but the 14 days you get off after the 28 is like a vacation...Cr2 pm me if you are interested and i will fill you in on more specifics....merrry christmas....
 
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It sadden's me to hear all of these stories from people in professional line' of work losing their employment.

I'm thankful I will always have my place of employment for as long as there are war's to be fought. Even after I get out this year, I will alway's have it to fall back onto.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Morgan711</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got laid off after 18 yrs ...feel your pain ...

But look on the bright side ?
We're fixing to get Free Health Care Right !!! </div></div>

Free for whom? Who do they expect to pay for it? LMAO!!
 
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Not free, just mandatory. You still have to pay for it. The only difference now is you are fined if you fail to sign up. And if you don't pay up, they'll get it come tax time. Welcome socialism with open arms* boys, cause here it comes.

“Required coverage (the "individual mandate"). American citizens and legal residents would be required to have health insurance, or pay a fine. For an individual, the fine would be $750 per year or 2 percent of household income, whichever is <span style="font-weight: bold">greater</span>; for a family, the maximum fine would be $2,250 per year or 2 percent of household income. The fines would go into effect gradually, starting in 2014. The House bill is similar, with exemptions for certain low-income people.”
 
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Things can change rather rapidly when you are out of a job. I don’t think that things will ever be the same for a lot of us. I retired in January of this year due to a job related back injury, I consider myself fortunate, if you are prior military six figure jobs are out there in the contractor world. I can pay off all my bills and my house in 18 months, the hard part is been away from home. I don’t think that things are ever going to be the same.
 
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Starting a business can be very daunting.

Sometimes, though, once you're out of that old frying pan and looking around you at all that lovely fire, you can get to realizing that as bad as things are, there's always worse, and sometime getting yourself out from under a large scale working culture can be just the ticket.

You'll always have a boss, either yourself, whom you can never bullsh*t; or the customer, who's often far from being the proverbial 'always right', and can be just irrational enough to give you Olympic Class nightmares.

Stick to what you're actually reliably good at, and do that, and only that, until the monotony drives you to do something different and/or additional or self destruct in place.

When enough customers ask you about doing a certain thing, pay attention to that lightbulb that flashes and allows insight. Resist change with utmost passion; premature diversification is what nails the coffin lid down on new, small enterprise.

Small businesses start best as sidelines.

When you're already working at something that can put the meat on the table fairly regular-like is when you can afford those small expenditures that bring an avocation along to where it can support a true vocation. Resist the temptation to splurge on the bast implements. If it will work, and won't desert you in mid contract, its good enough. If you're not sure about that second part, you can't afford this one; and need to wait until funds are more available, and more reliable gear flows past your nose. The cool stuff can wait until your bottom line flat out insists/demands you can/must better afford it. If the acquisition isn't based on what's absolutely required to support an existing need, it's frivolous and self destructive to heed that salesman's siren song.

Acquaint yourself with the concept of a business plan. Whether or not you're in the market for outside funding, following the business plan process will tell you whether you have an even chance of success. If a banker can demand one of you, the very least you can do on your own behalf is to answer the same questions for yourself, with the same objectively critical eye.

Do not allow yourself to think you can afford to sacrifice your own obligations to yourself and your loved ones. Do not kid yourself into thinking the scales can be balanced at some later, indefinate date. The first thing that goes on your schedule is recuperation for yourself, and definite, distinct and generous time for family. All else revolves around that, and if something has to be sacrificed, that part gets sacrificed just before the water comes over the gunwales. Otherwise, all your doing is trading one sucky situation for a worse one. If you can't get this part right, you're probably a hopeless masochist; and don't deserve success. Why the hell else would anyone take the risks involved, anyway?

Greg

Greg
 
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Or, there's always government work. Productivity won't be an issue.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Or, there's always government work. Productivity won't be an issue.
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LOL, and if you can insert your head up your ass, you'll be the boss!
 
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I feel for you dirt movers, I have a friend that is busy doing repos for Empire (CAT). It looks like nobody is able to make equipment payments.