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Were all gonna die......the Sequel

Maggot

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood"
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  • Jul 27, 2007
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    – On March 19, the moon will swing around Earth more closely than it has in the past 18 years, lighting up the night sky from just 221,567 miles (356,577 kilometers) away. On top of that, it will be full. And one astrologer believes it could inflict massive damage on the planet.

    Richard Nolle, a noted astrologer who runs the website astropro.com, has famously termed the upcoming full moon at lunar perigee (the closest approach during its orbit) an "extreme supermoon."

    When the moon goes super-extreme, Nolle says, chaos will ensue: Huge storms, earthquakes, volcanoes and other natural disasters can be expected to wreak havoc on Earth. (It should be noted that astrology is not a real science, but merely makes connections between astronomical and mystical events.)

    But do we really need to start stocking survival shelters in preparation for the supermoon? [Photos: Our Changing Moon]

    The question is not actually so crazy. In fact scientists have studied related scenarios for decades. Even under normal conditions, the moon is close enough to Earth to make its weighty presence felt: It causes the ebb and flow of the ocean tides.

    The moon's gravity can even cause small but measureable ebbs and flows in the continents, called "land tides" or "solid Earth tides," too. The tides are greatest during full and new moons, when the sun and moon are aligned either on the same or opposite sides of the Earth.

    According to John Vidale, a seismologist at the University of Washington in Seattle and director of the Pacific Northwest Seismic Network, particularly dramatic land and ocean tides do trigger earthquakes. "Both the moon and sun do stress the Earth a tiny bit, and when we look hard we can see a very small increase in tectonic activity when they're aligned," Vidale told Life's Little Mysteries, a sister site to SPACE.com.

    At times of full and new moons, "you see a less-than-1-percent increase in earthquake activity, and a slightly higher response in volcanoes."

    The effect of tides on seismic activity is greatest in subduction zones such as the Pacific Northwest, where one tectonic plate is sliding under another. William Wilcock, another seismologist at the University of Washington, explained: "When you have a low tide, there's less water, so the pressure on the seafloor is smaller. That pressure is clamping the fault together, so when it's not there, it makes it easier for the fault to slip."

    According to Wilcock, earthquake activity in subduction zones at low tides is 10 percent higher than at other times of the day, but he hasn't observed any correlations between earthquake activity and especially low tides at new and full moons. Vidale has observed only a very small correlation.

    What about during a lunar perigee? Can we expect more earthquakes and volcanic eruptions on March 19, when the full moon will be so close?

    The moon's gravitational pull at lunarperigee, the scientists say, is not different enough from its pull at other times to significantly change the height of the tides and thus the likelihood of natural disasters. [Infographic: Phases of the Moon Explained]

    "A lot of studies have been done on this kind of thing by USGS scientists and others," John Bellini, a geophysicist at the U.S. Geological Survey, told Life's Little Mysteries. "They haven't found anything significant at all."

    Vidale concurred. "Practically speaking, you'll never see any effect of lunar perigee," he said. "It's somewhere between 'It has no effect' and 'It's so small you don't see any effect.'"

    The bottom line is, the upcoming supermoon won't cause a preponderance of earthquakes, although the idea isn't a crazy one.

    "Earthquakes don't respond as much to the tides as you'd think they would. There should actually be more of an effect," said Vidale.

    Most natural disasters have nothing to do with the moon at all. The Earth has a lot of pent up energy, and it releases it anytime the buildup gets too great. The supermoon probably won't push it past the tipping point, but we'll know for sure, one way or the other, by March 20.
     
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    Very interesting, I guess we will see in 8 days, nice knowing ya
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    The point Burt Gummer was trying to make (see my sig line) is that we can make all the preparations we want, but it's the completely unforeseable, completely unbelievable things that's going to bite us in the ass.

    Burt's correct - trust me on this.
     
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    Oooooh, a Saturday night besides. I'll have to bark extree loud.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RedRyder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The point Burt Gummer was trying to make (see my sig line) is that we can make all the preparations we want, but it's the completely unforeseable, completely unbelievable things that's going to bite us in the ass.

    Burt's correct - trust me on this.

    God damn monsters. </div></div>

    However, at least you'd be prepped for more situations than the guy who doesn't have any stores/prep. Damn, monsters...
     
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    Least it will be after Paddy's day. The Irish wont care because they will all be drunk!
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: irishshooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Least it will be after Paddy's day. The Irish wont care because they will all be drunk! </div></div>

    Isn't that the norm though?
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: irishshooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Least it will be after Paddy's day. The Irish wont care because they will all be drunk! </div></div>

    Isn't that the norm though? </div></div>

    Which brings us to:

    How do you tell an Irish wedding from a Irish funeral? One less drunk at the funeral.
     
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    Always something. Will this have any bearing on my spin drift dope card?
     
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    I think some people worry too much. Just suppose, for a moment, that the doomsayers are correct. So, you have stocked up on weapons, ammo, food, water, fuel, med supplies, comm gear, tools, building supplies, seeds, spare parts, etc. If nothing happens, at least you are now prepared if something does. Of course, if that something does happen, you may be, after a week or so (assuming you survive whatever it was), the only one in your neighborhood whose ribs are not visible. This will mean that you, unlike a lot of them, have food. The minute someone sees that, you can bet they will tell everyone they know, and you will soon have the proverbial ravening hordes at your door. Of course you can shoot them, and then you will soon have a pile of bodies for others to hide behind, which will rot, stink, and breed pestilence. If you go out to move the bodies, you are a target. Either way, things will have just gotten a lot less fun. Did you plan for putting out fires? Because the starving people will eventually try to burn you out...

    I could go on, but my point is that I suspect that few of those who think they are preparing have actually thought out what having such preparations will mean. Can you survive? Possibly. Will you enjoy it? Probably not. It may be a very long time before order is restored after a human-race-threatening disaster. And that order, once restored, may take the form of a fascist dictatorship, if it is based on the idea that "the people who have the weapons make the rules." So you could survive the disaster, only to find that you spend the rest of your now short life fighting the very thing our forefathers fought and died to prevent.

    I am not saying anything is wrong with this. I am simply saying that some people apparently do not realize that they will not be going into it with their eyes open, regardless of what equipment, supplies, and skills they may have.
     
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    Let'er blow!
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    Well..only good thing is I won't have to pay my taxes. Hopefully Starline sends me my 10mm brass before so I can get them reloaded.:)
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RebelYell</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well..only good thing is I won't have to pay my taxes. Hopefully Starline sends me my 10mm brass before so I can get them reloaded.:) </div></div>

    PS...good knowing you guys.