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What is my option?

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I want to get a new handheld RF real bad right now. What I want is one that has a precise solution out to min 1000 from my own ballistic inputs like on the G7. I dont want one with some pre-programmed box ammo curve and have to be satisfied that I am within .5 moa of what it should be with my 'custom' inputs.
I dont really want to but can spend 1500 bucks for the latest and greatest G7. Is there any other option out there that is less bucks ? Maybe an older version of G7 like G5?. Or am I just asking if there is an Iphone 8 out there for the price of a 5?

I dont know enough about the new gen stuff but have tried to figure it out and it seems like all the latest ones in the 800 dollar range dont take your raw inputs and compute it for you with an internal ballistic app. I have a leica now that ranges fine but dosent do anything else.

Or is the answer to get a weather station with ballistics app that will talk via bluetooth to your handheld RF that computes the incline adjusted range? But if you do that arent you about in the same ballapark as having an all in one RF? ( minus a 75 dollar wind meter).

Thanks
 
Faced with the same thoughts is why I went with the ConX, Sure there are a few that range further but they don't have the options, many folks think that the best LRF's are the ones that go the longest but that is not the case, whats the point of ranging that far if you can't put the info to good use ?

Having a few options makes the difference between carrying on or packing up and going home when some of your equipment fails or batteries go flat as I have found out in the past.
 
Thx. I only shoot max 1000 for now so I dont need to range and solve for 2500. But I would assume that the ones that can do 2500 will be more consistent and accurate at 800 and also have the latest software.

I'll check out the conx thanks. I didnt realize it takes 3 of your own loads. Will read up on the details. The G7 is 1200 on sale at cabelas right now and am sure could find a conx for half that price on sale. Conx and G7 arent front shirt pocket rf's. Wish someone would make a plug in rf module for the iphone 8!

I am hesitant to pay top dollar not because I cant but because it will prob be outdated and lose half its value in 2 years. Same with the RF binos so thats why not going that route yet.

I would prefer a pocket leica but looks like the option for them now is to have to use one with your phone app. Will check out the Bushnell. Heck it has lifetime unlimited with money back guarantee. The G7 is what 2 yrs and after that cant afford to fix it?
 
Thx. I only shoot max 1000 for now so I dont need to range and solve for 2500. But I would assume that the ones that can do 2500 will be more consistent and accurate at 800 and also have the latest software.

I'll check out the conx thanks. I didnt realize it takes 3 of your own loads. Will read up on the details. The G7 is 1200 on sale at cabelas right now and am sure could find a conx for half that price on sale. Conx and G7 arent front shirt pocket rf's. Wish someone would make a plug in rf module for the iphone 8!

I am hesitant to pay top dollar not because I cant but because it will prob be outdated and lose half its value in 2 years. Same with the RF binos so thats why not going that route yet.

I would prefer a pocket leica but looks like the option for them now is to have to use one with your phone app. Will check out the Bushnell. Heck it has lifetime unlimited with money back guarantee. The G7 is what 2 yrs and after that cant afford to fix it?
Well I would hold off on the Leica's at the moment because I have seen a few threads where folks are having issues,

But saying that there are 2 ConX's for sale here on the Hide, One for 250$ and the other for 325 including postage,

My ConX gives me multiple choices on how I use it which is why it is a keeper even if I ever bought a high powered LRF, the ConX can be Basic or as complicated as you choose so there is something for everyone, I am not telling you to buy one but it will do 99% of any shooters needs from putting meat on the table to the battlefield (Bushnells Words) you don't need to spend over 5-600 buck to range LR.

hope that helps.
 
I really only use a solver when/while I'm gathering DOPE on the rifle. I don't use a solver when I'm shooting.
I use the Kestrel for wind (don't use the solver in it).
I use the range finder to range (doesn't have a solver in it, but I wouldn't use it if it did).
I dial range and hold wind. Once I know what the rifle does I don't need a solver. If I know the wind speed and range I know what to hold for that rifle. To me there's nothing and no one that can replace or compensate for good DOPE. DOPE is everything.

The only advantage for me, in an integrated unit, is when I set the Kestrel on the tripod and send the wind to my phone while I'm shooting so I'm seeing it real time if it's shifting or gusting. To me the Bluetooth is what's useful, not the solver.

Just my opinion.
 
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Tesoro,

There are a few options out there for you and, or course, it depends on how much you want to spend and what you are doing with it. That is, if you are shooting on the range, you have plenty of time, so some solutions work fine. If you are hunting, you may need to get a solution pretty quickly and may want something that is smaller in size. And then there is 'how far are you shooting?'. Under good conditions, most decent RF's will range farther than you can shoot, but I believe in having more power for a couple of reasons 1) When conditions are not good or your target is not ideal, the more powerful the RF is, the more likely you are to get a return, as you mention in your post. 2) The other thing I use mine for is to get an idea of distance of waypoints etc...but that obviously is not important for many people.

You have a Leica, so I'll start there....the 2700 is a strong RF. Glass is outstanding, the best in class, so much so that I use mine as an observation device before I pull my binos out. Overall it's an excellent unit in those regards. It is quite small, like some others, so convenient to carry with you. From a purely ranging perspective, it is outstanding. Apparently, Leica RF tech will be the basis for the new Vectronix, so foundationally, it's pretty solid. From a solver perspective, it is weaker. Unlike the previous gen Leicas, it accepts your exact curve through a card, but only one per card. I have been testing one for a while against a Kestrel Elite, and the solutions it gives are actually very accurate out to its maximum solution distance of 1k yards. Within .15 MOA, usuallly within .05 MOA. Thats pretty good especially considering I am using custom curves for the Kestrel for my load, and the Leica still uses G1 for BC's. But here is the caveat...they are only that close when coriolis and ballistic jump are not a factor. Leica's software really needs an update to include for these, and when they are a factor, then you start to be off by larger amounts, depending on shooting and wind direction. The other thing to note is that the Leica will only give you a ballistic solution to 1k yards. After that, you need to use a Kestrel or something else for your numbers, which makes sense when you consider that their ballistic engine needs an update.

So for me, I find the Leica ballistic solution just fine for shots out to 800 yards or so. From a hunting perspective, I can range and shoot, no problem. After that, I am taking my numbers off the Kestrel so that Coriolis and ballistic jump can be factored in, and the temp problem can be resolved...more on that below.

Other options....Sig 2400....Has the AB software setup already. The wind solution is not so great, but works wonderfully for some people, so it depends how you like to account for wind. It can be picked up for around 1200 if you look really carefully for a used one. Other than wind, simple solution...point, click read dial. bang. It's weakness is in wind and in temperature, and the glass is weaker than Leica's, but some people don't use it that way, and it really is packed with features.

However, all of these RF's that measure temp will heat up. As you stretch the distance, 3 or 5 degrees in temperature difference starts to add up in your solution. It does not matter closer in, but if you are trying to shoot long, it matters. All of these devices will start to heat up once being exposed to the sun and to your body heat and on the RF's, there is nothing you can do about that, not really. The Kestrel, you can. They instruct you to swing the kestrel to clear the sensor and then turn updates off so that you capture a pure temp reading for your solution and hold it without drift. Again, this is only important for long range shots, but if that is important to you, it's something to consider. More and more, I am liking an RF/Kestrel combo solution as I really think the Kestrel is best at what it does.

And then there is the more simple RF's....they give you range and you use the solver of your choice. There is a review on the new Nikon 4000 in GA this morning. Apparently, it ranges super well, even in full sun, high dust conditions. Take that reading and toss it in your solver, and you have a solution. Sig 2200's can be had for not much money as well. And Nikon has another one that is stabilized, which, if it works like their lenses for their cameras do, should be pretty awesome as getting still really increases your ranging distance. I have not played with the Nikon's, so can't say how they will work, but they are quite cheap, as is the Sig. You could pair that with a Kestrel and be well set, but if you are hunting and you need a short range solution in a hurry, you'd probably want to run a card or something for quick access to shorter range data, then use the Kestrel for when you have longer shots and more time.

Probably the best solution, at least on paper so far, is the upcoming Vectronix, but its pricey and still vaporware. Theoretically, Leica or better ranging, but talks to the Kestrel for an automatic solution. RF does what it does well, Kestrel does what it does well. Only thing I wish is that it would feed back into the RF so you would not even have to look at the Kestrel. Only downside for me on this is the form factor, I want something pocket sized.

For me, the Leica is what I use for shots at medium range. Just range it, take the solution and go. For my personal hunting distances, it provides a fast answer without having to memorize anything (my memory needs upgrading badly) or drop cards, and at medium distances, the solution tracks right on with the Kestrel.

When I am at the range or shots are long enough to have time and where small things start really adding up, I have the Kestrel.

I think you could do the same with almost any RF out there with the addition of some solution that works for you at shorter distances.

One last thing to compare if you want to range really long....look at the beam divergence numbers. There is a difference both in terms of size and shape, and this will effect your ranging performance.

HTH!
 
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Catoores1 thanks for taking the time for your help. I am caught up and have done some reading. The shirt pocket size of the latest Leica (like my 1200) is a big factor in my choice. Second is the optical quality and spotter use like you mentioned. Third is the option to input your own ballistic profile that is accurate to 800 or so. Thats fine by me for my use and I dont need to share with a partner so one profile at a time is ok. I can get a new Leica for 720. As mildot1960 pointed out I can get a as new used conx for 250 and buy another pack to carry it. Or do it old school for now as fig recommended.

The way I see it is if you want to get a precise solution like you would in ballistic or similar then you still have to go to another machine to finish it off. Even if the was the grail of rf that integrated wind into the display that will still only be the wind at your location via bluetooth and probably not the value you would want to use for your long range shot.

So I at this point the Leica is looking good as you pointed out can hunt at acceptable ranges with the ballistic function or turn it off and gather your needed data to program a secondary unit.

This technology race is sure getting us spoiled. Not long ago all we wanted was a straight range finder and an inclinometer on our scope turret but now we arent satisfied unless it does all the math for us so we dont have to think! Dosent matter anyhow because the wind will get ya. But then I read the Israelis are coming up with a laser gadget than will read the winds down range!
 
I have a 1400yd one from a very Chinese source (the user manual is written in one or another form of Chinese) that I bought very cheaply from Amazon.

It works, but it gets fairly dodgy at the longer distances. It's not that it's incapable, it's that it takes a steadier hand to wield it effectively than I seem to possess. I can use it if I bring along a camera tripod for it, but that is hardly a convenient option.

Greg
 
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I have a 1400yd one from a very Chinese source that I bought very cheaply in Amazon.

It works, but it gets very dodgy at the longer distances. It not that it's incapable, it's that it takes a steadier hand to wield it effectively than I seem to possess. I can use it of I bring along a camera tripod for it, but that is hardly a convenient option.

Greg
Cool Greg any Pictures ??? Pretty Please, :LOL::LOL: