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What you are witnessing is not your father's or grandfather's socialism anymore!

alpine44

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Week after week we become aware of statements and decisions that make us scratch our head. Make us ask "WTF is that about?". Politicians throwing the same 2A supporters under the bus who got them into office in the first place, Zuckerberg being questioned by senators not under oath but with remarks like "...I am trying to help you here...", the ultra-progressive side calling the current political discourse already a civil war where one side (theirs) will win and the other side just has to go away, and so on.

While it is possible to find some convincing answers to some of these questions, the hard part is to find an explanation how this all fits together. A theory that would explain each individual event in a logically convincing way but without creating contradictions when viewing everything together. A "universal theory of the current madness", explaining our societal currents in a similar fashion as physicists try to speculate about the origin, inner workings, and destination of the universe.
(In both cases we arrive at theories that could turn out to be wrong but at least they are logically consistent in themselves. That is as far as we can go anyway if we try to predict something we have neither experienced nor fully understood yet.)

How all this fit together might become more obvious if we abandon our traditional notion of socialism. The "Old school" socialism had government, unions, and a few government-dependent businesses in one corner of the ring and traditional businesses supporting a free market in the other, both fighting for the support of the sheeple.

History tells us that when sheeple sided with the promises of a free lunch from the socialists, the end result was always economic decline and ultimately collapse. All known attempts of unbridled socialism have failed because those in power kicked those out who make the wheels turn smoothly and profitably. They punished those who produced the food and goods to support the sheeple's lives while promising that a central government could replace these functions. That never worked and the result was ultimately economic decline and collapse. (Same will happen in South Africa in the near future).

The societies that did not go down that dark road and prospered in the meantime were those where the "industrialists" had enough convincing power to prevent the sheeple from choosing the wrong shepherd. This worked because businesses had the financial incentive and the financial means to push against an overbearing government. They successfully prevented governments from brainwashing people to the extent that it would threaten the existence of their businesses. I am not saying that all of these attempts were noble and fair, but this balance between the players has provided us with a tremendous gain in prosperity and quality of life. Yes, we have a huge gap between the rich and the poor but even a welfare recipient in the USA is orders of magnitude better off than the 'average' person in many, many countries. If it were different, we would not have millions of legal and "undocumented" aliens.

What makes today's situation different from the old school socialists is that we now have so called tech companies that ARE in the business of brainwashing and controlling the behavior of billions of citizens the same way the government does. Unfortunately, these entities have achieved valuations far exceeding the blue chip players of traditional businesses. Why would these "new economy" businesses get in a fight with a progressive government that tries to expand its power like a cancer if they subscribe to the exactly the same philosophy and business model? They would not and they do not as we witness daily.

The so-called "Russian Interference" is an issue because it interfered with the long standing collusion between MSM, social media, and the left-leaning political players in this country. Pretending that the current investigations and hearings are about "privacy rights", "fairness", and "the future of democracy" is as disingenuous as trying to pretend that a gang war is for the benefit of the community.

Since the revelations of Edward Snowden there should be no doubt in anyone's mind about where our government stands with regards to privacy rights. It is also blatantly obvious that companies like facebook and Google have approximately the same degree of respect -or lack thereof- for our data and rights.

This political show is a cloak for a turf war about how to control the market (i.e the people) completely. It is not a fight for individual freedom or justice. The government wants to be certain that the "new media" companies are supporting their narrative without interference, which these companies gladly do since it aligns with their beliefs and provides the content they need to inundate us with more ads. No surprise that everyone is up in arms about some Russian entities who recently threw a wrench in this well-oiled Orwellian gearbox. But rest assured they are not allowing the same to happen during the next elections.

We are past the times where we only have to worry about foreign governments or special interest groups trying to effect regime changes in another country against the opposition of the native political and market forces. For the first time in history the socialist are supported by massive "industrial" wealth in their own country here in the USA. The narrative of the Russian trying to destroy our democracy from the outside is trying to distract us from the fact that the enemy is now operating within our gates.

If we abandon the assumption that independent, successful businesses will automatically resist the needless expansion and encroachment of government in our country, then seemingly random and seemingly contradictory statements and decisions suddenly fit together. With massive corporate wealth backing the government's desire to destroy a free, traditional market systems we have entered a new paradigm.

We used to worry about the Military Industrial Complex threatening the future of this nation. But even in this collusion game there was still the desire of the industrialists to maintain a free market outside of the military and space domain. A company like Boeing colluded with competitors and government official for lucrative defense projects but at the same time competed in a relatively free global commercial market. There was an incentive to keep the government at bay outside of it being a cash cow.

Companies like Google and facebook do not have that constraint or incentive. Their message and business model is the same as a any socialist government: "Stop thinking, trust us, and put your life in our hands". Today's threat to the freedom and liberty of the people is what I call the "Media Intelligence Complex". Government and large parts of the "new economy" colluding to not only own our money but also our decisions and our thoughts.

Capitalism dug its own grave by pushing to the absurd the valuation of companies that do not produce anything other than disdain for the same system that made them successful in the first place.

The paper money these "new economy" companies accumulated enabled them to gain more control over the populace and push their progressive agenda. An agenda were individual success and wealth earned the old fashioned way is called an unjust privilege. Where industries that provide the essentials of life - which is NOT hundreds of tweets a day- are called dirty or environmental criminals. Where anybody who -just for themselves - attempts to keep some resemblance of traditional values intact is called a racists, misogynists, etc. Where openly fantasizing about the end of the ethnic group that established this country and grew it to its current might is for some reason supposedly not racists but "progressive".

The grave for America as it was intended by its founders has been dug. What's missing is the bullet in the neck and the corps falling in the pit.

The tide has swung so far in favor of the global socialists operating among us, that it has become critical to expediently divert the waters that make their socialist mills turn. Today's version of "Atlas Shrugged" would be if every traditional company producing tangible goods (especially those that depend on oil or mining) would pull the facebook and google plug TODAY, realizing that they are feeding their enemies.

However, instead of providing meaningful information and customer engagement on their own websites, companies add links to facebook, twitter, and whatever other time sink and distraction is popular these days - just to be "cool". Search features on sites of multi-billion companies are unable to find products I know they manufacture and sell but a simple google search hits paydirt. This is analogous to your competitors knowing more about your products and business than your own sales/support people.

Even those whose names has been already written on the wall of elimination are complicit in their own demise. Ask yourself why in the world gun manufacturers, gun stores, gun clubs, or gun owners should support with their facebook or youtube pages the same entities that vie for the end of their existence. This insanity goes so far that even companies that have their own internet domain and website rather post their events and specials on fb.

It's time to fix that. Let's stop accelerating the trend that turns the diversity of the internet into a monopoly of bias, censorship, and manipulation. The end of democracy is not some Russians doing what they always did -trying to increase their influence- but the way we are complicit in the subversion of a global information platform that could have helped democratic processes by providing sufficiently diverse facts and viewpoints. Some old-timers may remember an internet that was a global treasure trove of useful information rather than an insult to our intelligence and senses. Compared to some of today's internet "content" the printed rags at the grocery checkout lane reporting aliens begin to look sane.

If we keep feeding those who openly desire to dumb all of us down and starve some of us out, we should not be surprised about our demise. Know your enemies, their intentions, and act accordingly. There is more at stake than how many clicks or likes you get next quarter.
 
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Turning back that tide is gonna require a lot of cooperation.

I would love to hear any ideas you have as to how to achieve that sort of cooperation, no matter how vague or half-assed they might be.
 
Whoa I have to post that on my Facebook page for others to read.

Whut?

No, man! Don't do it! Delete your facebook account, yell out your window that you're mad as hell and you're not gonna take it anymore, and you just deleted your facebook account, then yell out neighborhood meeting, free beer and squirrel, then read that post to real people in person.

Don't give them assholes another point =)
 
This tide will not get turned back. The socialists have inveigled themselves so integrally into the fabric that they have become the proverbial Carolina Tick, and can only be dislodged with an intense flame.

It's going to take more than polite discourse to correct, if correction is even possible. I suspect it will take the cleansing flame and a new start from the ground up.

The pace of the betrayal has become dizzying. The brazen gall of the perpetrators is right out there in the open, now. They are daring people to oppose them now. They think that a brazen show of determination will cow the rest.

They may be right.

Who will stoop to pick up the first stone? Soon, I hope.

Greg
 
It's going to take educating one person at a time.

We are fighting a Trojan horse.

The enemy has co-opted business and used the people's trust so that they can have that business do the bidding that had it been done under the aegis of governance we would have quickly resisted.

The shit Facebook does to you you would never allow government do yet like a moth to flame millions post only to be screwed in the process.

If everyone cut the connection to the harmful internet it would cease to exist tomorrow.

Funny thing is these "businesses" proceed assuming that when the power is gained they will be able to function as they have.

Their cognitive dissonance to playing "the useful idiot" is precious.
 
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The problem is that the up and coming generation, those who are say in their teens now as well as those just getting out of college & those still in middle school are for the most part brainwashed zombies who are clamouring for the last of the freedoms left to them to be taken away & more government and big corporation control to "make things better". They are incapable of thinking for themselves or questioning what they are told.

A few are intelligent and know where it is headed, but the masses of their peers are the perfect sheep who will welcome their chains with a thunderous round of "likes".

I think that unless there is a major disruption in the world, paid for in rivers of blood, in about 50 years once those of us who still understand freedom are gone one way or another, there is a good chance we will see the new world order come to pass as the Progressive, Globalist, Communist Elite finally take over everything and run this country & a large part of the world under their iron fist. Praised and glorified by the stupid slaves addicted to their black mirrors.

It will be their perfect reward as no generation in history has so fervently desired total control over every aspect of people's lives & been so unwilling to think for themselves.
 
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This tide will not get turned back. The socialists have inveigled themselves so integrally into the fabric that they have become the proverbial Carolina Tick, and can only be dislodged with an intense flame.

It's going to take more than polite discourse to correct, if correction is even possible. I suspect it will take the cleansing flame and a new start from the ground up.

The pace of the betrayal has become dizzying. The brazen gall of the perpetrators is right out there in the open, now. They are daring people to oppose them now. They think that a brazen show of determination will cow the rest.

They may be right.

Who will stoop to pick up the first stone? Soon, I hope.

Greg

Wait a minute didn't you write an op ed piece in the Bear Pit recently advising caution in our words..........

If we have lost Greg it's time to break the seals on the Spam cans.
 
This tide will not get turned back. The socialists have inveigled themselves so integrally into the fabric that they have become the proverbial Carolina Tick, and can only be dislodged with an intense flame.

It's going to take more than polite discourse to correct, if correction is even possible. I suspect it will take the cleansing flame and a new start from the ground up.

The pace of the betrayal has become dizzying. The brazen gall of the perpetrators is right out there in the open, now. They are daring people to oppose them now. They think that a brazen show of determination will cow the rest.

They may be right.

Who will stoop to pick up the first stone? Soon, I hope.

Greg

What you are seeing as "brazen" may also be "desperation".

The time is approaching in which way will be revealed.
 
It's going to take more than polite discourse to correct

Are you off your meds, old man? This thread is a good one, please don't fuck it up in its infancy.

The tide CAN be turned, but as far as I can tell, it's going to require a lot of people working together to make it happen, without the luxury of being able to broadcast their ideas and directives through typical communist owned and controlled outlets like MSM, Facebook, Twitter, et al.

I think in this case, we need to harness the power of the people in a way that makes it possible to instantaneously direct hundreds of thousands of phone calls, e-mails, text messages, etc. * I should clarify, my actual aim is to let the people harness their own power.

Some of the conversations would need to be along the lines of, "Hi, I'm calling to let you know that while I love your company and everything about it, there is one thing that I am unable to support any longer. That one thing is your posession of a facebook profile. I regret to inform you that I can no longer, with good conscience, support a company that funds either directly or indirectly, facebook. Please know that I will continue to check back, and the moment it is gone I will return as the loyal customer I've always been up to this point."

It's a dick move, but as Greg said schizophrenically, time to take the gloves off.
 
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This tide will not get turned back. The socialists have inveigled themselves so integrally into the fabric that they have become the proverbial Carolina Tick, and can only be dislodged with an intense flame.

It's going to take more than polite discourse to correct, if correction is even possible. I suspect it will take the cleansing flame and a new start from the ground up.

The pace of the betrayal has become dizzying. The brazen gall of the perpetrators is right out there in the open, now. They are daring people to oppose them now. They think that a brazen show of determination will cow the rest.

They may be right.

Who will stoop to pick up the first stone? Soon, I hope.

Greg
Just saving for some later date.
 
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Great post OP. But I can't stop fucking laughing. Jesus Christ, this is funnier than shit. That poor cocksucker is living proof that the struggle is real. The struggle of one. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Great post OP. But I can't stop fucking laughing. Jesus Christ, this is funnier than shit. That poor cocksucker is living proof that the struggle is real. The struggle of one. :ROFLMAO:

I saw that and couldn't believe what I was reading.

This guy that started a 4 page pissing contest on how saying mean things on the internet is going to bring the full force of the SJW scorn down upon our very heads and how him doing his best to corral us rabble rousers makes it more fun to look at himself in the mirror, does a complete 180 when he reads a fantastic post about the literal insanity it is that many pro-constitutional companies rely so much on tools that are being used as financial batteries to power the very movement whose objective it is is to put them all in the red and quite possible in the dirt as well..

NOW it's time to stop being polite, and to start throwing stones. Not Greg, though, he ain't throwing no stones.

I bet Greg is a politician in real life.

Seriously, though, none of you fuckers have any ideas how to put the brakes on this bitch?
 
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Are you off your meds, old man? This thread is a good one, please don't fuck it up in its infancy.

The tide CAN be turned, but as far as I can tell, it's going to require a lot of people working together to make it happen, without the luxury of being able to broadcast their ideas and directives through typical communist owned and controlled outlets like MSM, Facebook, Twitter, et al.

I think in this case, we need to harness the power of the people in a way that makes it possible to instantaneously direct hundreds of thousands of phone calls, e-mails, text messages, etc. * I should clarify, my actual aim is to let the people harness their own power.

Some of the conversations would need to be along the lines of, "Hi, I'm calling to let you know that while I love your company and everything about it, there is one thing that I am unable to support any longer. That one thing is your posession of a facebook profile. I regret to inform you that I can no longer, with good conscience, support a company that funds either directly or indirectly, facebook. Please know that I will continue to check back, and the moment it is gone I will return as the loyal customer I've always been up to this point."

It's a dick move, but as Greg said, time to take the gloves off.

The internet and its protocols (http, smtp, etc.) is not the problem. The monsters are the monopolizing and manipulating "platforms", predominantly facebook and google. They are not the internet and they do not own the internet but we have given them the power and valuation they abuse by us being vain and lazy. Our desire for instant gratification, popularity, and convenience made them what they are. We have the power to make different choices now.

Yes, a search on Duckduckgo is not a slick as on google but least I have less to worry about being owned by them. Facebook? I do not even know why anyone would bother. Long before the depravity of their business model became apparent to everybody, I called these platforms "Asocial Media".
I made it clear to my nephew that measuring "friends" in the hundreds devalues friendships like printing money with abandon devalues a currency. He may still engage in that crap with his peers but at least he writes me an old-fashioned email or calls if he cannot show up in person.

Since I still use gmail I have to find out what the cost of my own domain and mail server hosted on something like rackspace would be. Hell, if Hillary can have her own server where she can delete evidence with impunity why should you and I settle for less?

I have not bought anything on Amazon yet and go to length to keep it that way because IMO Bezos is a self confessed "me too" greed bag who treats his employees like shit and has destroyed entire business segments. He started Amazon while worrying that he may have missed the first internet gold rush. Bezos space efforts are a delusional, ill-fated dick measuring contest with Musk, who plays in a different league in terms of vision, imagination, and creativity. For Musk money is a tool, for Bezos it is the be all end all. So, who cares if Amazon is 5 cent cheaper than some business I can actually stomach to support.

We need to vote with our behavior and wallets according to our conscience and not cave to our laziness, greed, or vanity.
 
The internet and its protocols (http, smtp, etc.) is not the problem. The monsters are the monopolizing and manipulating "platforms", predominantly facebook and google. They are not the internet and they do not own the internet but we have given them the power and valuation they abuse by us being vain and lazy. Our desire for instant gratification, popularity, and convenience made them what they are. We have the power to make different choices now.

Since I still use gmail I have to find out what the cost of my own domain and mail server hosted on something like rackspace would be. Hell, if Hillary can have her own server where she can delete evidence with impunity why should you and I settle for less?
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You can actually run a simple mail server at home on a spare desktop if you want.
Just download your favourite Linux distro, and you are good to go on just about any age of x86 compatible hardware that still runs.
It's pretty simple as long as you can get a static IP address, you are good, otherwise there are some services specifically to make your domain move with a dynamic address.
On the same box you could have your own private cloud for files / documents you need to access remotely & a web server if you want to have your own website for whatever you want.

I run my own Linux server for my security system.

The problem these days is the Internet was originally setup to be a decentralized peer to peer web of endless links, but instead it has become a very top heavy tree with major players controlling large key pieces. Eventually we will need to get back to that in order to maintain freedom.

I also think eventually a completely commercial entity free version of the basic information functions of the internet based on a mix of local wireless, peer to peer and radio links will be needed once full censorship by the big ISPs / Big Internet players comes into full force.

We may also eventually have to go back to the days when you had something like a phonebook of all the actual IP addresses of the sites you wanted to go to, for when the search engines like Google, Microsoft & Apple start "disappearing" things they don't like & Domain Registrars get in on the action. Go back to good old IP addresses only.
 
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Hey OP,

Sorry your good post went to shit and I'm partially to blame for pointing out some hypocrisy, you know glass houses and all that shit.

But back to your concern.

Today may be the start of the knife fight.

Comeys speaking tour, Trumps Twitter response. Rosensteins firing seems imminent timed only for the most embarrassing moment or when cover is needed. Daily Mail has more Cohen payments to Trumps girlfriends to include paying for an abortion, parry that thrust with release of the OIG report on McCabe.

I don't know if I should get popcorn or start filling sand bags.
 
We need to vote with our behavior and wallets according to our conscience and not cave to our laziness, greed, or vanity.

I agree.

What would a local gun range owner that has around 500 to 1000 attendees a week whom each pay $12 for 1 gun all day and $6 for each additional, or a local gun store that saw 50-60 gun sales a week think if hundreds of folks that lived in that area and patronized those places started calling in to tell them that their support of facebook was gonna cost them a customer?

Would that have any positive benefit? Is that ethical?
 
I want to invite random people who have never shot a gun to come shoot with me and film it. I have lots of friends that haven’t shot guns. I just wish I had time to do it...
 
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Spam, that stuff is still around. Gads!

You haven't lost Greg, at least not recently. I've been a lost cause for going on two decades now...

As for being a politician, the only thing I've ever been elected to is as officers in Veterans' Organizations.

Currently a VFW Post Adjutant, as well as the Post Armorer and I dabble a little in Rifle Drill Instruction (Can't be having any of those Garand Thumbs, can we...?).

I had to give up Trustee to take over the Adjutancy, and was the Post's final Veterans' Service Officer, we just turned that all over to our local DAV, they're just that much better at it.

While we're at it, consider how much farther ahead Troy would have been if they'd just burned that damned horse. Beware of Greeks, etc....

LOL!

Greg
 
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I saw that and couldn't believe what I was reading.

This guy that started a 4 page pissing contest on how saying mean things on the internet is going to bring the full force of the SJW scorn down upon our very heads and how him doing his best to corral us rabble rousers makes it more fun to look at himself in the mirror, does a complete 180 when he reads a fantastic post about the literal insanity it is that many pro-constitutional companies rely so much on tools that are being used as financial batteries to power the very movement whose objective it is is to put them all in the red and quite possible in the dirt as well..

NOW it's time to stop being polite, and to start throwing stones. Not Greg, though, he ain't throwing no stones.

I bet Greg is a politician in real life.

Seriously, though, none of you fuckers have any ideas how to put the brakes on this bitch?
"We" have to become energetic/driven enough to use the tactics the left has employed to our favor.
A good example was the beginnings of sorts of the tea party.
We aren't nearly as cohesive as the left on most any political position.
"We" should pick the top 5 and beat it to death concerning all related politics and business.
As the witnesses realize conservative/middle America has awoken it'll bear fruit.
The last election was also a huge fuck you to the powers that be.
They are currently reeling to regain previous hold.

R
 
never forget that the GOP is a left wing party too, just more deceitful about it.


There is only one cure for communism/progressivism, and that is a bullet to the fucking face. They seek to kill people like us, they must never get the power to do so. Your Fed government is your enemy.
 
never forget that the GOP is a left wing party too, just more deceitful about it.


There is only one cure for communism/progressivism, and that is a bullet to the fucking face. They seek to kill people like us, they must never get the power to do so. Your Fed government is your enemy.
I think you are correct in that assumption, that high-speed lead insertions to the cranium will definitely cure communists.
 
Delete you FB accounts. Just don't disable them. And trust me, deleting it is far more complicated than it should be. I had to Google it and use a link in the search to finally delete my account as there is no easy way to find that info on your account settings or anywhere within.
 
I agree.

What would a local gun range owner that has around 500 to 1000 attendees a week whom each pay $12 for 1 gun all day and $6 for each additional, or a local gun store that saw 50-60 gun sales a week think if hundreds of folks that lived in that area and patronized those places started calling in to tell them that their support of facebook was gonna cost them a customer?

Would that have any positive benefit? Is that ethical?

If these businesses already have a website, then reminding them what monsters they are feeding with their laziness is ethical IMO.
The rest we have to help with alternative channels they can use to connect with their customers. This could be already existing gun friendly sites, help with web site development, or a funding campaign for the latter.

In the examples you cited I do not see a potential for significant lost revenues. Gun ranges are full because of supply and demand and people buy guns from gun stores because that's where the guns are for folks who obey the law.

We know in which direction facebook and google are leaning and we cannot afford to support their quest for dominating the narrative in that direction. Also remember, that facebook and google are not free, not even in the monetary sense. Instead of paying them money we offer our identity as collateral by using their platform. Even if they were pro 2A, I would not chose that payment option.
 
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Just two guys with ideas? I don't buy that.

Y'all are some of the most diverse and conscientious folks I've come across in a long time.

Am I to believe that so few of you have considered ways to mitigate the efforts of some socialist nerds?

If you've got something to share, now is the time. Please be thorough, and deliberate.

What, really, is a few hours on a post when it may well help us get out of this mess?

@alpine44 is dead on here, what other things can be done to reduce the dependence on socialist platforms like Facebook?