Rifle Scopes whats wrong with my schmitt and bender PIC ADDED
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Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
tjonh,
I've not seen a rep. posting directly here on SH.
But you might try this:
Schmidt & Bender, Inc.
P.O. Box 134
438 Willow Brook Road
Meriden, NH 03770
U.S.A.
(800) 468-3450 toll free
(603) 469-3471 fax
[email protected]
Note it's toll free, you don't need a dime....
tjonh,
I've not seen a rep. posting directly here on SH.
But you might try this:
Schmidt & Bender, Inc.
P.O. Box 134
438 Willow Brook Road
Meriden, NH 03770
U.S.A.
(800) 468-3450 toll free
(603) 469-3471 fax
[email protected]
Note it's toll free, you don't need a dime....
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
Well then, there are lot's of S&B glass whores
that post here, why not pose your questions and see if you can get anything worthwhile out of the conversation.
Never hurts to ask...
Bob
Well then, there are lot's of S&B glass whores
Never hurts to ask...
Bob
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
Throw it out there, there's several people on here that are certified S&B tech's.
Throw it out there, there's several people on here that are certified S&B tech's.
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
no i dont work for another company. i just want to talk to someone without starting a sh## storm. i have a problem with 1 of my 4x16x42. the people at S&B arent around for awhile and i know that there are alot of smart people on here. so if anyone knows enough about this scope pm me. i dont want to start a fight just wanted to know if anyone here could help with service.
no i dont work for another company. i just want to talk to someone without starting a sh## storm. i have a problem with 1 of my 4x16x42. the people at S&B arent around for awhile and i know that there are alot of smart people on here. so if anyone knows enough about this scope pm me. i dont want to start a fight just wanted to know if anyone here could help with service.
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
I have had a few guys respond and no one has figured this out. This is my final attempt before sending this off to Schmitt and Bender. I went to the range and zeroed this scope. I then dialed 6.75 moa into the elevation knob so I could hit my 500 yard target. I hit high. This is unheard of considering I have tested this rifle and it’s a 1/2moa gun. I then counted the clicks to get to 6.75moa. Instead of 27 clicks I had 32. See picture. If I dial 4 clicks or 1 moa I am only showing .75 moa and so on. For some reason the knobs don’t match the click values. This is on elevation and windage. I spoke to the last owner and he said he hasn’t had any issues.
I have had a couple guys pm me thinking that I somehow got a mrad scope with moa knobs so I set it up on my counter and put the cross hairs on the hill side. I dialed 14 clicks or 3.5 moa and the mildot covered spot that was originally covered by the crosshair. I then dialed 7.25 and the second mil covered the spot that was covered by the cross hair. I know this isn’t exact but I would believe that the scope is traveling in moa. I also adjusted the scope all over and returned to different numbers and the repeatability was there. Check the picture and see if any of you know what’s going on.
this is where i started
this is what it looks like when i count 12 clicks or what should be 3moa
this is 8 clicks or what sould be 2moa
this is what i have to dial to move my zero from 100 to 500 this should be 6.75 moa as you can see its not following the turrit.
I have had a few guys respond and no one has figured this out. This is my final attempt before sending this off to Schmitt and Bender. I went to the range and zeroed this scope. I then dialed 6.75 moa into the elevation knob so I could hit my 500 yard target. I hit high. This is unheard of considering I have tested this rifle and it’s a 1/2moa gun. I then counted the clicks to get to 6.75moa. Instead of 27 clicks I had 32. See picture. If I dial 4 clicks or 1 moa I am only showing .75 moa and so on. For some reason the knobs don’t match the click values. This is on elevation and windage. I spoke to the last owner and he said he hasn’t had any issues.
I have had a couple guys pm me thinking that I somehow got a mrad scope with moa knobs so I set it up on my counter and put the cross hairs on the hill side. I dialed 14 clicks or 3.5 moa and the mildot covered spot that was originally covered by the crosshair. I then dialed 7.25 and the second mil covered the spot that was covered by the cross hair. I know this isn’t exact but I would believe that the scope is traveling in moa. I also adjusted the scope all over and returned to different numbers and the repeatability was there. Check the picture and see if any of you know what’s going on.
this is where i started
this is what it looks like when i count 12 clicks or what should be 3moa
this is 8 clicks or what sould be 2moa
this is what i have to dial to move my zero from 100 to 500 this should be 6.75 moa as you can see its not following the turrit.
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
S&B customer service will go above and beyond to make it right. They even sent me a brand new scope in the box with brand new BO rings to use while my scope went to Germany. What more can you ask for!!!
S&B customer service will go above and beyond to make it right. They even sent me a brand new scope in the box with brand new BO rings to use while my scope went to Germany. What more can you ask for!!!
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Garcia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">S&B customer service will go above and beyond to make it right. They even sent me a brand new scope in the box with brand new BO rings to use while my scope went to Germany. What more can you ask for!!! </div></div>
Not to be disrespectful but...
A scope that works like it's supposed to.!
I know...everything man made can fail or have problems but a F'n $3000 retail scope shouldn't be like this.Ridiculous! Obviously S$B doesn't check their scopes before they leave the factory.
Too the OP.Sorry to read about your scope problems! It makes me angry just reading about your situation.
Steve
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Garcia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">S&B customer service will go above and beyond to make it right. They even sent me a brand new scope in the box with brand new BO rings to use while my scope went to Germany. What more can you ask for!!! </div></div>
Not to be disrespectful but...
A scope that works like it's supposed to.!
I know...everything man made can fail or have problems but a F'n $3000 retail scope shouldn't be like this.Ridiculous! Obviously S$B doesn't check their scopes before they leave the factory.
Too the OP.Sorry to read about your scope problems! It makes me angry just reading about your situation.
Steve
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
More on elevation and less on windage (movement than indicated)......doesn't even follow a consistent pattern. I'd be pretty sucked off about that.
Anything can happen to anyone, but its disappointing to be that guy.
More on elevation and less on windage (movement than indicated)......doesn't even follow a consistent pattern. I'd be pretty sucked off about that.
Anything can happen to anyone, but its disappointing to be that guy.
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
Ok, got the point. No more posts slamming stuff unless you have good advice please. I believe that is what the original poster wants.
Ok, got the point. No more posts slamming stuff unless you have good advice please. I believe that is what the original poster wants.
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[Not to be disrespectful but...
A scope that works like it's supposed to.!
I know...everything man made can fail or have problems but a F'n $3000 retail scope shouldn't be like this.Ridiculous! Obviously S$B doesn't check their scopes before they leave the factory.
Too the OP.Sorry to read about your scope problems! It makes me angry just reading about your situation.
Steve
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$3000 guarantees perfection?
They'll fix it,
pronto,
that's what really counts....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="color: #FF0000">I'd be pretty sucked off about that</span>.
Anything can happen to anyone, but its disappointing to be that guy. </div></div>
now that's funny....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[Not to be disrespectful but...
A scope that works like it's supposed to.!
I know...everything man made can fail or have problems but a F'n $3000 retail scope shouldn't be like this.Ridiculous! Obviously S$B doesn't check their scopes before they leave the factory.
Too the OP.Sorry to read about your scope problems! It makes me angry just reading about your situation.
Steve
</div></div>
$3000 guarantees perfection?
They'll fix it,
pronto,
that's what really counts....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="color: #FF0000">I'd be pretty sucked off about that</span>.
Anything can happen to anyone, but its disappointing to be that guy. </div></div>
now that's funny....
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
I'm looking forward to seeing how the stateside facility improves TAT.
chppr-couldn't help it.
montana-easy killer, Rob01's the one with the "m" by his name, and steve123 wasn't bashing. I've been paying attention for a year or so and have seen 3 S&B's that left the fatherland with things that should have been caught, so he's not making shit up.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the stateside facility improves TAT.
chppr-couldn't help it.
montana-easy killer, Rob01's the one with the "m" by his name, and steve123 wasn't bashing. I've been paying attention for a year or so and have seen 3 S&B's that left the fatherland with things that should have been caught, so he's not making shit up.
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
If it helps the OP any, here is a visual comparison of MIl vs MOA at the dial, disregard the CW CCW. Sounds like you do have Mil click spacing under MOA caps.
If it helps the OP any, here is a visual comparison of MIl vs MOA at the dial, disregard the CW CCW. Sounds like you do have Mil click spacing under MOA caps.
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
They'll fix it, shit happens. When they do fix it, you will still have one badass scope, even though the adjustments are still wrong....
They'll fix it, shit happens. When they do fix it, you will still have one badass scope, even though the adjustments are still wrong....
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
Nice people that will take care of you. I sent my shortdot back as the dot and the crosshairs were shifting from each other and they had a "loaner" at my door 4 days after they recieved mine. I don't think anyone can complain about that.
Nice people that will take care of you. I sent my shortdot back as the dot and the crosshairs were shifting from each other and they had a "loaner" at my door 4 days after they recieved mine. I don't think anyone can complain about that.
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm looking forward to seeing how the stateside facility improves TAT.</div></div>
Not to get off-topic, but I updated my "<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">S & B U.S. Service Center open in NH!!!</span></span>" thread last week by posting my recent experience with S & B's new stateside Service Center.
Bottom line is that a CCW turret conversion on a PMII 5-25X took less than four (4) weeks door-to-door, including 10 days of shipping time from my house to S & B and vice-versa (total time was actually 24 days). My new CCW turrets work great.
I'll take the four week turnaround (actually only two weeks in S & B's possession) over the 5 months it took to get my first PMII 5-25X converted any day of the week!
<span style="font-style: italic">DogboneS</span> - nice snag of the photo - I recognize that PMII 5-25X DT CM CCW photo - I shot it in my backyard last year when I mounted that PMII 5-25X on <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">my Tac Ops X-Ray 51</span></span> . Damn, I should shoot for Playboy!
Keith
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm looking forward to seeing how the stateside facility improves TAT.</div></div>
Not to get off-topic, but I updated my "<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">S & B U.S. Service Center open in NH!!!</span></span>" thread last week by posting my recent experience with S & B's new stateside Service Center.
Bottom line is that a CCW turret conversion on a PMII 5-25X took less than four (4) weeks door-to-door, including 10 days of shipping time from my house to S & B and vice-versa (total time was actually 24 days). My new CCW turrets work great.
I'll take the four week turnaround (actually only two weeks in S & B's possession) over the 5 months it took to get my first PMII 5-25X converted any day of the week!
<span style="font-style: italic">DogboneS</span> - nice snag of the photo - I recognize that PMII 5-25X DT CM CCW photo - I shot it in my backyard last year when I mounted that PMII 5-25X on <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">my Tac Ops X-Ray 51</span></span> . Damn, I should shoot for Playboy!
Keith
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
If you've got the patience, count your elevation clicks per one revolution. 140 clicks for the Mil, 120 for the MOA, or 70 & 60 at your 15 MOA indication.
If you've got the patience, count your elevation clicks per one revolution. 140 clicks for the Mil, 120 for the MOA, or 70 & 60 at your 15 MOA indication.
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More on elevation and less on windage (movement than indicated)......doesn't even follow a consistent pattern. I'd be pretty sucked off about that.
Anything can happen to anyone, but its disappointing to be that guy. </div></div>
LOL
Allot of suckedoffidness going on with scopes lately.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More on elevation and less on windage (movement than indicated)......doesn't even follow a consistent pattern. I'd be pretty sucked off about that.
Anything can happen to anyone, but its disappointing to be that guy. </div></div>
LOL
Re: whats wrong with my schmitt and bender PIC ADDED
My guess is "You have MOA caps on metric turrets." While your cap values are in MOA, your "click" values are in 1 cm at 100 meter units. If you do the math you'll see why you are shooting high.
My guess is "You have MOA caps on metric turrets." While your cap values are in MOA, your "click" values are in 1 cm at 100 meter units. If you do the math you'll see why you are shooting high.
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DogboneS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you've got the patience, count your elevation clicks per one revolution. 140 clicks for the Mil, 120 for the MOA, or 70 & 60 at your 15 MOA indication. </div></div>
There's the fast way to tell!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DogboneS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you've got the patience, count your elevation clicks per one revolution. 140 clicks for the Mil, 120 for the MOA, or 70 & 60 at your 15 MOA indication. </div></div>
There's the fast way to tell!!
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
did you contact the original owner ? you bought the scope used ?
did you contact the original owner ? you bought the scope used ?
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
i talked to S&B and have actually shipped off the scope. they didnt give me a reason whats going on but they did say if i need a loaner just to let them know. they also said i should see a 2 week turnaround. we will see on that.
thanks for the help
toby
i talked to S&B and have actually shipped off the scope. they didnt give me a reason whats going on but they did say if i need a loaner just to let them know. they also said i should see a 2 week turnaround. we will see on that.
thanks for the help
toby
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
Sounds good Toby. Not many companies would offer a loaner. That's excellent CS. Unlike some here I recognize that not every scope is perfect and things happen and when they do it's nice to be taken care of. Let us know how it goes and I would take them up on the loaner if you think you will need it.
Sounds good Toby. Not many companies would offer a loaner. That's excellent CS. Unlike some here I recognize that not every scope is perfect and things happen and when they do it's nice to be taken care of. Let us know how it goes and I would take them up on the loaner if you think you will need it.
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
If you reticle is in mils (does S&B even make a moa ret?) and they find out the turret internals are mil also, just have them put mil knobs on it and send it back, instant mil/mil!
If you reticle is in mils (does S&B even make a moa ret?) and they find out the turret internals are mil also, just have them put mil knobs on it and send it back, instant mil/mil!
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
Great point USMCj!
Keith-thanks for the link on the TAT. Now I need to win the lottery so I can give S&B's a whirl!!
Great point USMCj!
Keith-thanks for the link on the TAT. Now I need to win the lottery so I can give S&B's a whirl!!
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
Are you sure the original seller didn't just rip you off by selling a MOA scope with MIL turret covers on?
MIL/MOA scopes are hard to sell sometimes and I could see how a dishonest individual could buy some turret caps and swap them out.
Are you sure the original seller didn't just rip you off by selling a MOA scope with MIL turret covers on?
MIL/MOA scopes are hard to sell sometimes and I could see how a dishonest individual could buy some turret caps and swap them out.
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sickeness</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you sure the original seller didn't just rip you off by selling a MOA scope with MIL turret covers on?
MIL/MOA scopes are hard to sell sometimes and I could see how a dishonest individual could buy some turret caps and swap them out. </div></div>
Dude, really......
The OP has MOA turrets that aren't jviving with the clicks, and the supposition is that he got MOA knobs on Mil turrets.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sickeness</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you sure the original seller didn't just rip you off by selling a MOA scope with MIL turret covers on?
MIL/MOA scopes are hard to sell sometimes and I could see how a dishonest individual could buy some turret caps and swap them out. </div></div>
Dude, really......
The OP has MOA turrets that aren't jviving with the clicks, and the supposition is that he got MOA knobs on Mil turrets.
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sickeness</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you sure the original seller didn't just rip you off by selling a MOA scope with MIL turret covers on?
MIL/MOA scopes are hard to sell sometimes and I could see how a dishonest individual could buy some turret caps and swap them out. </div></div>
Wow, really? that hard to look at the pic and see that its moa knobs huh?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sickeness</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you sure the original seller didn't just rip you off by selling a MOA scope with MIL turret covers on?
MIL/MOA scopes are hard to sell sometimes and I could see how a dishonest individual could buy some turret caps and swap them out. </div></div>
Wow, really? that hard to look at the pic and see that its moa knobs huh?
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
guys i did talk to the origional owner and i have no reason to start blaming him. he said it was a safe queen and never shot past 100 yard so no dialing. besides that when i bought this scope i figured whats to worry about. if something is wrong S&B has a great reputation for service. thought maybe i was missing something so i asked here.
sickness this is a moa scope. i want it to be a moa because i havent pulled the trigger on mil/mil scopes yet. i am affraid to because i will have to sell all of my moa and switch.
guys i did talk to the origional owner and i have no reason to start blaming him. he said it was a safe queen and never shot past 100 yard so no dialing. besides that when i bought this scope i figured whats to worry about. if something is wrong S&B has a great reputation for service. thought maybe i was missing something so i asked here.
sickness this is a moa scope. i want it to be a moa because i havent pulled the trigger on mil/mil scopes yet. i am affraid to because i will have to sell all of my moa and switch.
Re: anyone here work for shmitt and benders
Seems like a damn good time to make the switch. I have a feeling they are going to tell you that the internals are mil. It would be a shame to have them replace it with moa. Mil/Mil S&B's fetch way more money if you ever want to sell it down the road.
Seems like a damn good time to make the switch. I have a feeling they are going to tell you that the internals are mil. It would be a shame to have them replace it with moa. Mil/Mil S&B's fetch way more money if you ever want to sell it down the road.
