Rifle Scopes why the dislike for leupold ?
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No hate for Leupold. They carried many thru bad spots, great hunts. Think of all the triumphant range engagements.
Seriously, equipment is changing fast. 100yrs ago we were throwing musket balls at each other. They are getting with the change all the wile have had a lot to do with what was goin on.
I have Nightforce. I could pick at them. I have Leupold and could pick at them as well. Fact is there is a lot to choose from. Good all. Pick what you need.
Seriously, equipment is changing fast. 100yrs ago we were throwing musket balls at each other. They are getting with the change all the wile have had a lot to do with what was goin on.
I have Nightforce. I could pick at them. I have Leupold and could pick at them as well. Fact is there is a lot to choose from. Good all. Pick what you need.
I think Leupold makes a decent scope, but there 1300 dollar mk4's are the same quality as everyone else's 700 dollar scopes with out the warranty. Ive heard they really jumped back into the game with the MK6 series, but they have already burned a bridge with me with their customer service.
The New 34mm ones are very good... but as people said, the old standby models from the past, stayed in the past and everything progressed around them.
I like the Mk 6 & 8 series, but the assessment of the Mk 4 series above is correct, or at least a valid observation.
New manufacturers are fighting hard, Vortex is doing great stuff at excellent prices, Bushnell Tactical stepped back up, even Weaver has decent $300 scopes today in FFP. Progress is fast paced, and people are using scopes more than ever before in ways they didn't anticipate the average shooter using them.
I like the Mk 6 & 8 series, but the assessment of the Mk 4 series above is correct, or at least a valid observation.
New manufacturers are fighting hard, Vortex is doing great stuff at excellent prices, Bushnell Tactical stepped back up, even Weaver has decent $300 scopes today in FFP. Progress is fast paced, and people are using scopes more than ever before in ways they didn't anticipate the average shooter using them.
I have a Mk4 that's about 5 years old. It's given me many years trouble-free shooting and I've been happy with it. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on a Mk8 now...I'm hoping it lives up to what folks are saying.
Even my friends nowadays look down their noses at my Leupolds. No matter. Mine have been drug round, beat , banged, and knocked down but not one out of 8 have ever gone down. Never had an issue in 31 years of owning Leupold. Yes I still have my original 3.5-10 VXIII. Sent it back in 2012 for a checkup and some target turrets. They completely went through it and only charged me for the turrets. Bought my FIL a 2.5-8 for his hunting rifle(not one of the 8 I am counting), Missing the Leupold logo on the side. They replaced the turrets, ocular and objective lenses, and the logo. The logo is all I asked them to replace. That is pretty good customer service.
Just another thread to bash Leupold. Really don't care if all the cool kids are using something else.
"Range engagements" Funny, quite pithy.
Just another thread to bash Leupold. Really don't care if all the cool kids are using something else.
"Range engagements" Funny, quite pithy.
I have other scopes, but it is very hard to knock the best customer service in the world. Doesn't matter when it was made or what you did to it, they will make it right or replace it.
Our experience with Leupold Customer service is a lot different sir. Have you used it, or just heard that's the way it works?
I think this thread is about Leupold, not Vortex.
My personal experience with Leupold customer service is that they fixed the problem, but weren't super fast, weren't easy to get on the phone, and added a huge shiny (bare metal) ding to a new MK4 scope while fixing a reticle issue. That didn't impress me too much.
This thread is kind of a re-hash though.
I dont really hate Leopold products. But I choose to spend my money elsewhere after seeing two of their scopes' turrets fail. After dialing pretty high-they began to be unresponsive and actually shifted their zero point when dialed back down.
I have used them 3 times, once on a M8 4x built in the 1980s and they rebuilt it to brand new. Once when I dropped one and broke a lens and told them I broke a lens and they didn't charge me. And once for broken crosshairs they fixed.
CAuse haters gonna hate... Ive used them on several work guns and I've never had trouble. People very rarely have good things to say about every company. Out of the huge # of scopes any major player make there are bound to so flaws/mistakes/poor customer service issues ect ect.
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I like them
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You have to have been around a while to understand the frustration with Leupold. Coming from the mil side, they were great in the 90s with the Mark 4s and it felt like they really gave us what we wanted. Then 9/11 happens and it seems like everything they put out for us is more geared towards LEO and they assume mil will like it. In a lot of ways it felt like they spent the 00's saying "here's what you want!" and when we would complain they would say "sorry, we're not going to fix it." Their involvement with the solicitation for what became the Short Dot is a prime example of this attitude. From what I gather, it took close to 10 years to get them back on track and with their Mark 6 and Mark 8 line they're back to putting out great tactical scopes, though I don't think they are "best in class" anymore like they were in the 90s.
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I concur, until recently they haven't been all that interested in long range. Which to me is kind of stupid. They are one of the biggest scope manufacterers in the world and acted like the military didn't exist.
They have fixed this, but it took some time.
Lowlight said it best. They fell way behind the game for too long while everybody else was working hard. They became complacent and a little snooty thinking they had most of the military contracts at the time. They also failed to listen to the sporting and competition consumer.
They have hit a home run with their Mk6 & Mk8 series. The only complaint IMHO for product vs. Others they are not competitively priced. I'm lucky enough to get a Mil/LE discount so they are priced right for me. A new Mk8 3.5-25 with H58 reticle should be sitting on my rig before long, and it's similar in cost to a new ATACR, bit that's with the discount. Any Mil/LE should look in to it to get the best bang for the buck.
They have hit a home run with their Mk6 & Mk8 series. The only complaint IMHO for product vs. Others they are not competitively priced. I'm lucky enough to get a Mil/LE discount so they are priced right for me. A new Mk8 3.5-25 with H58 reticle should be sitting on my rig before long, and it's similar in cost to a new ATACR, bit that's with the discount. Any Mil/LE should look in to it to get the best bang for the buck.
This seems to come up always when Leupold is discussed here. Any product that sells to one group for 30% less than it sells to others will have market issues. I know, I grew up in a General Motors town. Anyone who had a relative working for GM got the employee discount, taking about 20-30% off a car's price. They also resold/traded cars every 2-3 years because new cars were so cheap. This KILLED the resale value of GM (really, all American) cars in the area, for 30+ miles around. So, while buying GM was a no-brainer if you got the discount, it was incredibly stupid if you did not get the discount. So people who didn't get the discount usually bought Japanese or European. Looks to me like Leupold's model has the same effect - good deal if you get that mil/LE discount, ridiculously overpriced if you don't.
Well put! In one inch hunting scopes they are fairly over priced, but when you get the discount and start talking about M6/M8 lines it brings a whole new world view to their products.
$2700 for an M8 versus $4300 for a Nightforce Beast, yep that's a no-brainer.
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