Not saying the Chinese fighter is an equal but they really do seem to get technology quick once we develope it.
Wonder how the Chinese came up with a Gen 5 fighter so quick......
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Fucking Chinese man! They need to be dealt with. They steal everyone’s shit then get slaves to make it for pennies on the dollar and then sell it for large profit to the ones that originated the idea. It’s bullshit. They need slapped. Where is @Bigfatcock? Dude slap these people with that thing.
Big data breach where the at the time IIRC unbelievable 1-2 TB of data was stolen from F-35 and/or F-22. Hence how they have diverterless inlet technology (F-35) and a lot of the F-22 performance. But OBAMA's admin said they wouldn't have stealth for at least 10 years, I think "W" said 20. Then poof, data stolen and out comes their stealth aircraft. So that article is correct. I remember roughly when the breech happened.
I'm shocked John Kerry is mentioned...SHOCKED...BTW...beachfront property in Nepal for sale.
Hacking is very easy when money changes hands so easy, do I love my Country or do I love Green Paper .........
Hi,
Nobody has to hack anything anymore.
Just have to go to one of the dozens of international military/defense exhibitions.
The technology is layed out like a pizza buffet for the taking.
Sincerely,
Theis
Nobody has to hack anything anymore.
Just have to go to one of the dozens of international military/defense exhibitions.
The technology is layed out like a pizza buffet for the taking.
Sincerely,
Theis
Vegas has a construction show every 3 years with all construction equipment manufactures, its funny watching the Chinese taking photos of every square inch of all the machines.
That's also true; but most stealth aircraft have either add on bits or other things to make the radar signature bigger than it is.
They could also read Av Week
But yes, mil/def exhibitions are ripe for spying in the open.
Why go to the trouble of trying to pick up on things based on visual and a vague spec sheet when you have spies involved in creating the tech and are steeling the rest?
Lets just get the bullshit formalities over with and wipe the communist fucks of yhe map.
They hate us we all know it so lets stop draging dicks in the swnd and start makingbthings right.
They hate us we all know it so lets stop draging dicks in the swnd and start makingbthings right.
I doubt they are Gen 5 like ours are Gen 5
Who gives a fuck, lets put rubber to the road and see were the chips fall.
Im just going to go out on a limb here and guess we will kick the shit out of the dim sum cross eyed fucks.
Chinese companies purchase or “partner” with companies from other nations, jack their technology and use it in their military apparatus. Just ask Hunter. He know how they do it.
So, if they steal our "gen 5" and reproduce it as their own, and then they make improvements on that... are they now at "Gen 6" or would that only be "Gen 2" for them?
In the whole scheme of things, stolen technology is stolen technology, and the "aid'n an' abett'n" of the enemy should be a CAPITOL offense, again.
What good has the decades of "top secret" as well as "classified projects" been, if it's all going to be given away by the sinister, conniving bastards that sit behind desks and podiums?
To what end have so many upheld their oath, maintained their integrity, and bolstered their stoicism only to be usurped by their "leaders"....
(and I use that term loosely)
In the whole scheme of things, stolen technology is stolen technology, and the "aid'n an' abett'n" of the enemy should be a CAPITOL offense, again.
What good has the decades of "top secret" as well as "classified projects" been, if it's all going to be given away by the sinister, conniving bastards that sit behind desks and podiums?
To what end have so many upheld their oath, maintained their integrity, and bolstered their stoicism only to be usurped by their "leaders"....
(and I use that term loosely)
Dont worry too much about it mate. It pissed me off but I assure you, if China has something that is stolen from us, we are already 3 generations advanced from that at minimum by the time they’ve stolen it. Trust me. So, while it does piss me off, I don’t worry about it in the sense that we are somehow lacking a technological advantage.
Ive heard the same shit occurs at shot show. Chinese cameramen everywhere and suddenly their are wish.com and air soft rip offs flooding amazon. Cannot personally confirm, but given the chinese reputation, I believe it.
Shit, I remember the days (80's & 90's) when you could walk into any dentist/doctors office and Mechanics Illustrated, would be laying on the waiting room table, open it up and yep, sure enough, freak'n drawings/prints of F-15's, F-16's, right before your eyes. So that's how I always figured Russia made a few of their aircraft look very similar to ours. I think the Obama/Biden admin., has a lot of explaining to do. Mac
Loral Space & Data, the Clintons, missile guidance system technology.........
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This. Like the Soviet Concordski or the Buran.
The aircraft designers call it Gen 5... no one in the chain of command will say it is anything other than “brilliant” because to say otherwise would be a death sentence.
It flies fine enough to oppress LBP’s with no AAA.
And against a real Gen 5 fighter, it lasts as long as anything Chinese and bought at Walmart.
It is undoubtedly a POS... press release engineering at best.
Sirhr
A good friend works in academia. The Chinese has so thoroughly infiltrated this world that they are able to steal research and publish it as their own before the actual authors can get papers published. And it's not like there is a single vector that can easily be shut down; it's a comprehensive effort along every possible weakness.
The Chinese fighter may not be equivalent to our best, but as we're all sick of hearing by now - "quantity has a quality all its own". The gap also closes each day. We also have not yet proven our Gen 5 fighters in sustained combat.
Their major weakness still remains an inability to project force. WRT to the fighters themselves, the Chinese are generally considered to be far behind in embedded software, and that's a major part of what makes a fleet of interconnected Gen 5 aircraft work.
Regardless of all of this, arguing over which manned fighter is best is soon going to be about as relevant as dick-stretching over the fastest prop-driven fighter circa 1944.
The Chinese fighter may not be equivalent to our best, but as we're all sick of hearing by now - "quantity has a quality all its own". The gap also closes each day. We also have not yet proven our Gen 5 fighters in sustained combat.
Their major weakness still remains an inability to project force. WRT to the fighters themselves, the Chinese are generally considered to be far behind in embedded software, and that's a major part of what makes a fleet of interconnected Gen 5 aircraft work.
Regardless of all of this, arguing over which manned fighter is best is soon going to be about as relevant as dick-stretching over the fastest prop-driven fighter circa 1944.
I worked in the field a bit and I would not worry about this Chinese fighter at all.
from what’s been reported so far is the frontal aspect is pretty stealthy but the rest is not up to par.
Engines which are a huge issue for the Chinese in general are garbage and most likely do not posses supercruise ability. That’s why the current crop still use less crappy Russian engines.
If you think of Chinese military doctrine frontal aspect stealth is all that matters.
they are in the business of area denial not aggressive land mass invasions.
a relatively stealthy airwing can get closer to a carrier group then a less stealthy air wing.
they launch more missile then the carrier group has for defense...one has to hit home.
even if all the fighters are shot down on the way home, they may have still crippled a carrier.
the same thing we were thinking about doing with the b-1. Changing out the engines to the same ones on the f-22 and making it a long range missile boat.
put a f22/35 up front with data link back to the mothership. Launch 40-50 am-rams to knock out the incoming swarm of Chinese attackers. Chinese still have 1000’s of mig-21 and alike. While “useless” they can bleed the f22/35 dry of weapons and walk right through.
the idea was the b1 would be fast enough to distance itself after launch because of its speed. Then the the 22/35’s mop up.
The folks you ought to be angry at live in US , Chinese used the greed of the Western elites looking for a quick buck to get ahead,thousands of Bidens out there .But honestly Chinaman worked their asses of being world manufacturer, unlike the folks that sold them stuff and offshored manufacturing for an easy payday.
These days 'slaves' in Chinese factories already make more than the workers in Mexico. Cheap labor is not the Chinese advantage anymore for that you have Vietnam ,Philippines,Mexico. Their edge now is pure industrial might.
Unfortunately, US STEM field runs on foreigners, Chinese folks sit in on the development in real-time even without the hacking while you mentally masturbate around woke identity politics and sit in safe spaces.What they can't get Israelis steal and sell to China.
As for their fighters , they might not be quite on the US fighter levels, but in the end, they don't need them for the same role. For the defence of the mainland and control of south china sea its enough.
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I don't think they make anything that is slower than F35 aside from some trainers. Engines so far are more or less Russian and clones ,might not be most efficient but for most of their designs they are sufficient. Its not like they designed planes around a nonexisting engine. Indeed engine tech is one of the weak points of Chinese Aerospace ,but eventually they will get there. At present engine is not really that important, war wining component in the warplane as long as electronics and missiles are on par they can fight and win even with the engines from the 60's
For now the mainstay is J-10 , totaly not based on tech sold to them by Israelis ,later followed by sales of Patriot missile tech, air to air missiles ,US Awacs radars ............... never ending list of US tech Israelis sold to China
Chinese 'turists' in front of Lavi fighter.
For now the mainstay is J-10
Chinese 'turists' in front of Lavi fighter.
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Even our Gen 5 that is being purchased by various countries is not like OUR Gen 5s.
There is a hell of a lot more to stealth than just shape and composite skin. The F35 has the radar signature of a golf ball. Plus it’s onboard radar is amazing.
There is a hell of a lot more to stealth than just shape and composite skin. The F35 has the radar signature of a golf ball. Plus it’s onboard radar is amazing.
I'm of the opinion that they have to create another "legitimate" cold war contender
to start the game all over again.
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to start the game all over again.
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Yes, the only problem now is that the US is playing the role of the Soviet Union.
*Remember in cold war SSSR was at best of times at cca 50-60% of US GNP , while in relative terms spending 50% more on military.
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Here's something to think about.
How quick do you think the Hollywood types would sell the USA down the river?
How about our own government's people?
Why is Jane Fonda all of a sudden relative today?
She did an interview last week discussing all the men she fucked.
She romanticized about fucking Che Guevara during the interview.
Then today I see in the news AOC is all proud of her gal pal time with that treacherous cunt.
Guy's, the traitors are in plain sight and they are flaunting it because it makes them look and feel hip to the techno's.
Look at what the squad did to DHS.
Forget about what they are doing publicly, think about what's happening behind closed doors.
Tell me how AOC can come to Washington, borrow money from Nancy to make rent and now be a millionaire.
Kill a commie for mommie
How quick do you think the Hollywood types would sell the USA down the river?
How about our own government's people?
Why is Jane Fonda all of a sudden relative today?
She did an interview last week discussing all the men she fucked.
She romanticized about fucking Che Guevara during the interview.
Then today I see in the news AOC is all proud of her gal pal time with that treacherous cunt.
Guy's, the traitors are in plain sight and they are flaunting it because it makes them look and feel hip to the techno's.
Look at what the squad did to DHS.
Forget about what they are doing publicly, think about what's happening behind closed doors.
Tell me how AOC can come to Washington, borrow money from Nancy to make rent and now be a millionaire.
Kill a commie for mommie
Forget the Hunter Biden sex tapes. The real news is much bigger than that.
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The same way they got their ICBM technology, a little bit of hacking on the side, and the summer clearance sale of scientists at any U.S. university with a Confucius Institute, and let's not forget "friendship" deals for any relative of an Obama administration official who might have been visiting communist China - Quid Pro Joe, and others so to speak. Socialists of a feather flock together: especially when they can't stand, or stand for our national anthem and flag. Communists don't have a home, only an agenda.
China’s largest technological leap has been with their missile guidance systems. In 2019 exercises against the Thai Air Forces, the Chinese did well in the close air fighting, but at distance, the Thai forces handed them their ass. The Chinese Navy has nearly a hundred more ships than the US Navy. Everything seems to point to China’s preparations to take back Taiwan and then go after Japan. Both of which are our allies. We all know what will happen if Biden wins. It will be like Georgia and Ukraine.
When we first built the F-22 and the F-35 a metric shit ton of testing took place.
Many changes took place on so many systems and parts.
I have a hard time figuring that they can keep their non developed shit in the air let alone working.
Many changes took place on so many systems and parts.
I have a hard time figuring that they can keep their non developed shit in the air let alone working.
Taiwan might end up like Georgia and Ukraine maybe but if they touch Japan they'll have hell to pay, because a. we have our troops stationed there, b. Japan is an ally and has treaties with us and the Australians, and New Zealand, c. the Japanese don't exactly like the Chinese very much dating back at least hundreds of years and their defense has been specifically directed at keeping their freedom safe from Russia, and China.
The Chinese currently generally underestimate the reaction they would receive if they were to risk any kind of open invasion move anywhere in Asia, whether the South China Sea, the Philippines, Taiwan, Japan, India, or Vietnam. All of these countries have border disputes with China based on China's policies of aggression, and expansion; should China risk large scale open war with any one of these nations most likely any number of the other nations might see this as an opportunity to settle the dispute in their favor once and for all. China is building up its military fast but neither the quality of their weapons systems, nor their training are up to par with any of our training, or that of our allies; they would be ill equipped to take on India, Vietnam, Japan and its allies at the same time regardless of how optimistic, or gung ho they might feel. Also President Trump's trade war with China and the new restrictions on China's electronic industry are putting a big crimp in their industrial growth and their ability to continue their illegal collection efforts as freely as they have become accustomed to.
If Biden were to win, the freedom of Taiwan, and Japan would be the very least of our worries. If Biden wins the future of freedom in our own country would not look so bright. Biden probably would not last very long before Kamala Harris would replace him and try to run part two of Obama's fundamental communist transformation of America and the dismantling and destruction of our constitution and its republic.
Worrying about Chinese knock off hardware would not be too high on my priority list, these guys are great at copying, not so great at understanding the actual concepts behind what they are copying (i.e. that's why the crappy Chinese knock offs of the Atlas bipod and RRS ballheads are as crappy as they are) which works to our advantage. They can copy, and get it to seem to be identical but when it comes to performance and employment, as well as further R&D and improvement they are as blank as a factory fresh hard drive. The scary part about them is, and always has been their numbers, and fanaticism, as well as their cruelty (ask any still living Korean War Vet), not their ingenuity, unless it is in reference to stealing technology.
Their designs are using legacy tech , likely don't have a fucked up diagnostic system like F35s Alice , but at the end of the day using legacy systems and upgrading along the way is likely much better bang for the buck with much less risk.
Legacy fighters like F16 , F18 , F15 latest blocks have better radars and electronics than F35 and way better than F22 , its generally easier to evolve legacy jets performance than F35 where everything is much more integrated into the airframe,while F22 is running out of airframe life, will end up on the boneyard sooner than later. F35 while its a nice plane is quite fucked up base design because of the unified design for the AF, NAVY, and Marines VTOL use.
As for Chinese knockoff quality, you can make yourself believe that they can't make anything else but shit, but that is far from true , low quality shit you are used to is like that because it's sold to customers that want to pay peanuts. The market is what drives low-quality shit not their technical ability. Similar misconceptions are there in regards to knockoffs, the copy-paste stuff is just a shortcut to catch up but they can and do innovate as much as the next guy.
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Well I have not worked on f-18 but as far as the rest the problem is what was engineering driven and managed is now ran by useless bean counters and Democrats .
When they started letting people without experience, skills or military service run things is when it went to hell.
When they started letting people without experience, skills or military service run things is when it went to hell.
Hi,
In case anyone was needing to start planning their next hacking of designs and features you may want to go ahead and make plans now to attend what will be the largest, most elaborate military/defense industry exhibition in the world.
The World Defense Show https://www.worlddefenseshow.com/
There will NOT be a single military/defense equipment manufacturer that does not exhibit at this first ever exhibition.
Sincerely,
Theis
In case anyone was needing to start planning their next hacking of designs and features you may want to go ahead and make plans now to attend what will be the largest, most elaborate military/defense industry exhibition in the world.
The World Defense Show https://www.worlddefenseshow.com/
There will NOT be a single military/defense equipment manufacturer that does not exhibit at this first ever exhibition.
Sincerely,
Theis
Sure, they keep the good stuff for themselves LOL
like this one:
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