Rifle Scopes WOTAC gen 5 review *pics*

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    I had this under bolt guns then it suddenly dawned on me that this was mainly a scope review so I figured I'd post it here too. A lot of people have asked about this scope so I hope this helps. Respond here if you have any questions answered.

    So I stretched the truth a little. It's not my first rifle, but it's MY (in my name by the state of NJ) rifle.

    Remington 700 sps varmint .308
    AICS 1.5 OD SA
    WOTAC Gen 5 4-14X50mm
    Burris XTR medium rings
    EGW HD 30 moa base
    10 round AICS mag
    Harris 6-9 BRM-S with notched legs
    T-nuts Pod Lock
    FGMM 168 grain

    Sighting her in tomorrow.

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    Is this scope too high off the barrel??

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    4X sorry my camera sucks and was overwhelmed by all the light
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    14X again camera was overwhelmed by light and didnt take good pics. The scope is actually really clear and I'm pretty damn impressed by it thus far.

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    Hey Guys!! Just got back from my first trip to the range (went later instead). So, as promised I'm gonna do a mini review of the gun. I didn't know whether to do it in this thread or another, but whatever I'll just do it here.

    Setting up the scope with my dad's friend.
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    Checking eye relief and scope cant
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    The Scope:
    This is the second WOTAC gen 5 I've had. The first had a lot of dust in the reticle. I can deal with some, but this was a lot. I called Matt and I sent him back mine. I had another in my hands in about a week or so. The second one was in perfect condition with nothing in the reticle at all. Very clear picture.

    The reticle is awesome. However, the markings for MOA and MIL are off a bit. I tested this by placing a yard stick at 100 yards and ranged it. BTW I measured exactly 100 yards so I know I was right. This isnt a huge deal and was expected. Easily solved by marking the spot with a marker.

    The turrets are pretty decent and better than I expected. The windage turrets are a but vague and mushy. The elevation turrent have a really nice confirming CLICK when adjusting up, but arn't as nice coming down. Maybe I'm being a bit critical, but the turrets are a big deal to me. Overall, I'm pretty satisfied with them.

    The focus knob is nice, but for paralax adjustment I feel that once you get to 100-200 yards you and pretty much set it to infinity and it works well with all ranges past that.

    The overall finish of the scope is very nice. The sunshade was crap and strips in 5 seconds. I dont really want/need a sunshade anyway. I feel like it would be fine if you set it up and never touched it again but I have flip caps on it and it constantly gets tugged on.

    EDIT: The sunshade from my first scope fit tightly and is now on the scope with no problems.

    The eye relief on 4X and exit pupil is great. On 14X the relief is still very adequate, but the exit pupil suffers a bit between 12-14X. I also noticed that other than shadowing if I drop my eye too low there is "white shadowing". Does anyone know what this could be. Lens are clean. It makes it pretty hard to get a completely clear sight picture on high mags. On lower mags its totally fine.

    EDIT: The "white shadowing" has completely disappeared. It may have been glare or something at the range.

    The glass is great. The scope is really clear and I can EASILY see my .308 holes on a regular target at 100 yards and I can imagine id be able to see them out to 200 yards. This is something I didn't really think about when buying the scope, but now that I see how clear glass can be I will def put this at the top of my list when buying my next scope (probably a 5.5-22X56 NXS or 3.5-15 F1.)

    Overall the scope is great. I honestly couldn't ask for more out of a $330 scope. It will serve me well until I can upgrade for a NightForce, but that is a couple years (1-2) down the road I think. While I may sound critical, I am just trying to do an honest assessment of the scope and comparing it to a perfect(IMO) scope. While I highly doubt there is any scope out there that is perfect in my opinion, it helps to know any concerns that could come up to a potential buyer. For example, While the sunshade didn't phase me it might be a serious concern for someone looking for a scope with a sunshade. If anyone else has specific question about the scope or any concerns just PM me or post on this thread.



    First impressions of the gun:

    Very well built for a 600 dollar gun. The finish on the rifle isn't very thick at all, but holds up to the normal scratches and wear and tear the gun will see out to the range and whatnot. Obviously, having the gun cerakoted would look nicer.

    The only qualm I really have with the gun at all it the bolt. Two things I dont really care for are the length of the bolt knob (too short) and the overall play/slop of the bolt. This makes cycling the action a little less smooth (At least compared to the pre-64 winchester model 70 actions I've played with. Is this a big deal to me? No, I plan on sending my bolt off to Short Action Customs in a couple weeks to have a Badger knob installed and I also plan on having the gun rebarreled and action trued down the road. Problems solved

    This is the SPS varmint. It offers a 26" a in 12" twist .308 barrel. I chose this over the sps tactical for two reasons. Extra velocity. More weight. Now you are probably saying this kid is an idiot for buying a longer barrel to make a gun heavier. However, this gun is for punching paper. It is/will be my go to precision rifle. Weight is not a concern as I will be firing off a bench or from prone. If I ever needed to travel with a rifle there are two amazing inventions out there. A sling. A gym. Anyway, I like the weight to soak up all the recoil. This is my first time firing a .308 and I was a bit nervous at first. This gun is my bitch. The recoil is nothing compared to my Browning Gold Hunter with buckshot or my Knight .50 muzzleloader. Yeah it does kick. Yeah it might make you flinch if you are a smaller/lighter person. But for me (6 foot 190) this gun could barely push me. I also thank the AICS 1.5 for this. The extra weight, fluffy recoil pad, and great design really dampen the recoil. So for anyone out there concerned with .308 recoil, dont be. Just buy a heavy barrel and nice stock.

    The stock:

    The AICS is awesome. I think that's all I need to write in this part...lol again my only qualm is the crudely cut plastic sides, but I'm so over that after shooting with it. It's perfect for me. My next gun will wear a McM A4(just to have some variety in my safe), but I have a feeling it's going to end up being sold for an AICS.

    After Action Report:
    WOW! This gun can shoot. This is my first time shooting a .308, or any real high caliber rifle for that matter. I have read everything you can imagine about precision shooting. Watched videos on technique (bouquet to LowLight and anyone else involved in the SnipersHide training videos. You guys are awesome!) and must say nothing is like the real thing.

    My shooting set up(its faster than typing a description):

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    In case people are wondering the cheek piece is off to clean it. Adam at Bauer Arms included the thumb screws for the cheek piece for free when I bought the stock. I highly recommend buying from him. I know I will in the future. This was during barrel break in. Gun only has 18 rounds through it.

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    I used shitty ammo to get a rough sight in, then switched to 168 grain FGGM.

    Now for the impressive part. Keep in mind this is during break in. The gun has 18 rounds through it. I am not the best shot in the world.(not ANYWHERE close) The bench setup helped a lot with this handicap.

    Range 100 yards. Fired two shots. Adjusted 2 clicks right. Cleaned barrel. Fired three shots. Here's the Results:
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    That 3-round group is sub .5 MOA. Around .435 MOA with my eyesight and a ruler. Hopefully things stay this way!!! I wish I had time to fire more, but I felt bad taking up the guy's time. I had been there several hours.
    NOTE: conditions were perfect. 85 degrees 0-5 mph wind and I was on a stable platform.

    If I missed anything let me know and I'll add it. Thanks for all the comments everyone!
     

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    Re: WOTAC gen 5 review *pics*

    Pretty nice review. The only time the scope is too high off the barrel is when it leads to unnatural head position on the stock for full field of view. you cant really go to high with a adjustable cheek piece, but you CAN go to low. I find i have to mount my scopes a little higher than most, but i have a huge head so it is only expected. Look into AZPrecision for your bolt knob install, he does it installed for $75 flat with shipping! Not anything against SAC, just pointing out a great deal. Are you reloading? if not, it is worth the investment with the ammount of money you will save down the road if you plan on shooting a lot. I know you dont mind the recoil, but for accurate follow up and to make it a kitty to shoot, a muzzle brake is never a bad idea. Look into the Score High Gunsmithing "Tactical Bolt" muzzle brake. $179 installed, a GREAT price and that thing is the tits. on my 308, when shooting out to 700 yards, i maybe move 1moa off target. it is great. If you ever shoot in the early morning/late evening, you may end up missing the sunshade, but if you can live without it, all the more power to you. You may appreciate a nice aftermarket trigger, i really like Timney triggers, but some hate them with their Jewell triggers, which are amazing as well, but for just over $100 you cant beat the timney. Also look into a Atlas Bipod. They are a amazing addition to any AICS. Enjoy that thing!

    AZ Precision Bolt Knobs

    http://azprecisiongunsmithing.com/Products.html

    Score High Muzzle Brake

    http://scorehi.com/

    (it is not the most "traditional" looking brake, but it is EXTREMELY effective)
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ffhogue</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pretty nice review. The only time the scope is too high off the barrel is when it leads to unnatural head position on the stock for full field of view. you cant really go to high with a adjustable cheek piece, but you CAN go to low. I find i have to mount my scopes a little higher than most, but i have a huge head so it is only expected. Look into AZPrecision for your bolt knob install, he does it installed for $75 flat with shipping! Not anything against SAC, just pointing out a great deal. Are you reloading? if not, it is worth the investment with the ammount of money you will save down the road if you plan on shooting a lot. I know you dont mind the recoil, but for accurate follow up and to make it a kitty to shoot, a muzzle brake is never a bad idea. Look into the Score High Gunsmithing "Tactical Bolt" muzzle brake. $179 installed, a GREAT price and that thing is the tits. on my 308, when shooting out to 700 yards, i maybe move 1moa off target. it is great. If you ever shoot in the early morning/late evening, you may end up missing the sunshade, but if you can live without it, all the more power to you. You may appreciate a nice aftermarket trigger, i really like Timney triggers, but some hate them with their Jewell triggers, which are amazing as well, but for just over $100 you cant beat the timney. Also look into a Atlas Bipod. They are a amazing addition to any AICS. Enjoy that thing!

    AZ Precision Bolt Knobs

    http://azprecisiongunsmithing.com/Products.html

    Score High Muzzle Brake

    http://scorehi.com/

    (it is not the most "traditional" looking brake, but it is EXTREMELY effective) </div></div>

    The scope actually sits perfectly with the cheek rest all the way down. I feel the AICS has a pretty high cheek weld to begin with. The scope was bought just to hold me over until I can buy a 5.5-22x56 NXS. That brake you showed me looks pretty cool and is a great deal. I will definitely consider that. I was looking at the Holland brake before, but this is a much better deal. I originally looked into AZ, but I like the thorough process Mark at SAC does. It actually allows the knob to come out a little further and appears to be a bit stronger with the screw he uses. I also wanted to get a Badger Ordnance knob and that installed is 85 with shipping included. AZ Precision does have some really cool looking knobs though.