That's a shame I'm surprised Dale sold, he really seemed to be into the company. You're right, never heard of horizon before now. Too bad they're not keeping things up. Their actions have been passed by a lot of the new companies out there, but the Tac 408 is still one of the go to actions for large bore builds. Wonder if there's gonna be another pissing match with PT and G over the Stiller stuff they still sell.