Yup in my shop.......I know there are more then a few "handy" guys on this forum, and in reading the title of this thread they are thinking, that stupid fuck did............
Yup I sure did it, but if you don't know you now will before you end up killing yourself, yes KILL YOURSELF.
I had known about this for years, but for some reason I was thinking it was carb cleaner, now thinking back on it I can't imagine how foolish I was, but you know the saying god loves fools, he makes so many of them.
What the deal is if you degrease your metal before welding with brakekleen then start to weld you are going to make phosgene gas, and this shit does not fuck around....AT ALL. Does not matter if it is "dry" or not, it will leave shit behind and if you heat it over 300F it will make phosgene gas....welding is a pretty hot thing.
I was building a platform and welding it together. I had just drilled and tapped some holes and hit it with brakekleen to get the cutting oil off the metal. Then grabbed the welder. I had in one sec a very strong "pool" smell. Chlorine, then a sec later, and I do mean SEC I started to feel real shitty. In that sec I knew what I had done, opened the big door to the shop and went outside. Had to lay down.
Wife can only be described as FREAKED THE FUCK OUT, called an old army buddy that does chemical warfare shit, and he told her to call poison control. She does, they told her if I had not gotten right out of there I would be dead, as in DEAD as Julius Caesar, and going about as peaceful. Got real foggy, hard to think and I basically laid down outside for a few minutes. Then went in the house and did what everyone does......what does the internet say.....oh boy, that is some bad stuff.
Poison control said if I am not coughing up blood, or bleeding out my eyes, yup that can happen, or nose bleeds don't bother taking me to the hospital, not anything they can do but watch me. They called her back in about an hour to see how I was.
I really thought it was carb cleaner, but stupid that stuff will burn, it could not be that.
My hope is it brings it back to the front of your minds, and perhaps lets some people new to "hobby welding" know about this. It seems natural, use brakekleen to get greasy parts clean.....but don't do it, you likely will die.
Now what about me? My sinus is still fucked, feels like I snorted a bunch of dish washer soap, just raw inside, likely the lining of my sinus is damaged, hot steamy showers feel real good to my nose. A mild sinus headache is all I have, so I got REAL lucky.
Be careful, Just wanted to bring it up incase it helps someone.
Yup I sure did it, but if you don't know you now will before you end up killing yourself, yes KILL YOURSELF.
I had known about this for years, but for some reason I was thinking it was carb cleaner, now thinking back on it I can't imagine how foolish I was, but you know the saying god loves fools, he makes so many of them.
What the deal is if you degrease your metal before welding with brakekleen then start to weld you are going to make phosgene gas, and this shit does not fuck around....AT ALL. Does not matter if it is "dry" or not, it will leave shit behind and if you heat it over 300F it will make phosgene gas....welding is a pretty hot thing.
I was building a platform and welding it together. I had just drilled and tapped some holes and hit it with brakekleen to get the cutting oil off the metal. Then grabbed the welder. I had in one sec a very strong "pool" smell. Chlorine, then a sec later, and I do mean SEC I started to feel real shitty. In that sec I knew what I had done, opened the big door to the shop and went outside. Had to lay down.
Wife can only be described as FREAKED THE FUCK OUT, called an old army buddy that does chemical warfare shit, and he told her to call poison control. She does, they told her if I had not gotten right out of there I would be dead, as in DEAD as Julius Caesar, and going about as peaceful. Got real foggy, hard to think and I basically laid down outside for a few minutes. Then went in the house and did what everyone does......what does the internet say.....oh boy, that is some bad stuff.
Poison control said if I am not coughing up blood, or bleeding out my eyes, yup that can happen, or nose bleeds don't bother taking me to the hospital, not anything they can do but watch me. They called her back in about an hour to see how I was.
I really thought it was carb cleaner, but stupid that stuff will burn, it could not be that.
My hope is it brings it back to the front of your minds, and perhaps lets some people new to "hobby welding" know about this. It seems natural, use brakekleen to get greasy parts clean.....but don't do it, you likely will die.
Now what about me? My sinus is still fucked, feels like I snorted a bunch of dish washer soap, just raw inside, likely the lining of my sinus is damaged, hot steamy showers feel real good to my nose. A mild sinus headache is all I have, so I got REAL lucky.
Be careful, Just wanted to bring it up incase it helps someone.
