Xmark trigger issue, de cocking after bedding

[goose_boy]

Hey all, have a 700 spsv with the xmark trigger. I was very happy with the xmark after adjusting it, nice clean break around 2 to 2.5 lbs. with a baby on the way can't afford a new stock, so decided to attempt a bedding job on the Tupperware stock. It all turned out much better than expected.... Except for one thing. After reinstalling the trigger assembly on the action, now on lifting/closing the bolt handle it instantly lets the firing pin go. I made no adjustments on the trigger between disassembly and reassembly. I also tried adjusting the trigger so it would pull heavier/more sear engagement and still doing the same thing. Did I reinstall the trigger wrong? Admittedly this is the first time removing the trigger on my 700, its my only bolt gun. Thanks guys!

ETA - crap this should be in gun smithing... Feel free to move.

 

[JGorski]

To give you an idea how your rifle would shoot with your Tupperware stock w/o bedding it, I shot this with my SPSS with the plastic stock it came with. Something has to be tripping your trigger.
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[roggom]

How does it cycle outside of the stock? You should be able to cock and slam the bolt home (with your hand) and not have it drop. If you are fine outside the stock, there must be some bedding material in the trigger well. Other thing that gets hung up is the bolt release. You may just need to do some inletting. If not, its time to take it to the smith. You dont want to end up on MSNBC.

 

[goose_boy]

JGorski, it was already a great shooter but my zero changed so much whenever I removed the stock it was a real PITA. Also would get the occasional flier, which I am hoping bedding will eliminate or reduce. Was able to get around 1/2" groups at 100yds with both Hornady 55gr vmax and Win white box 45gr HP factory ammo. I am now set up to reload for it, and was until yesterday waiting for scope issues to clear up so figured I'd have a try at the bedding process on a stock I wasn't going to be heartbroken to ruin, I can get a take off for under 20 bucks.

Roggom - it does the same thing out of the stock. It has t be something I did incorrectly in the reassembly of the trigger. The trigger mechanism was nowhere near any bedding compound and I did Dremel the stock back out to match all the factory inlets, though some may not be exactly perfect they are really close. Tomorrow I will begin pulling apart and examining everything but hoping for some guidance.

 

[scudzuki]

Is it possible you lost the spring that falls out of the trigger when it's removed from the receiver?

Joe

 

[goose_boy]

Is it possible you lost the spring that falls out of the trigger when it's removed from the receiver?

Joe

Very possible. Can anyone point me to a pic of the possible offending spring? I tried to keep it all controlled and the only thing I saw seperate was the bolt release lever and spring, but the weird part is sometimes it will catch the firing mechanism and sometimes it won't. So the spring you're talking about sounds like it could well be the culprit.

Just thinking, I'm sure if the sear came loose that spring is probably on the run..... Ill be searching for a spring, both on the bench and at Brownells.

 

[JGorski]

Spend 230 and install a Jewell in that baby, and never look back. You wont be sorry, your wallet will though. hehehe

 

[kcshooter]

adjust your trigger pull heavier a little at a time until you can slam the bolt and it stays cocked.

 

[roggom]

I think Joe nailed it. You should definitely know where the spring is or goes, because it is the number one pain in the ass about re-installing a Remmy Trigger. Just that the sear does not want to line up with the guide pins with the sear spring in place.
Here is a pic of and old trigger, but it goes in the same place

You can buy a new one at various places, here is the one from the pic

http://erniethegunsmith.com/catalog/i114.html

 

[scudzuki]

Thanks for putting up a pic.
I sold the only trigger group I had (except for the Timney 510 in my rifle).
It would definitely be easy to lose the spring.

I like what Timney does, they provide a short pin to keep the sear and spring in place, and it gets pushed out by the assemble pin during the install.
I also like the Timney trigger in my rifle; adjusted for 1-3/4 pounds, it has a short throw and very consistent break.
I found one BNIB for $110 shipped on Amazon, quite the good deal

I'd definitely recommend one to the OP if he can find one and has the $$$.

Joe

 

[goose_boy]

Thanks guys, ill pull it apart and check it out. I would love to upgrade, but as good as my xmark has been after adjusted I have a lot more things on the priority list before that. It really is the best factory trigger I've ever seen, and I worked in a gun shop for about 4 years. Besides, my mil spec AR trigger is much more desperately in need of an aftermarket trigger!

 

[scudzuki]

AR trigger, huh?

Palmetto State Armory has had the Geissele SSA for $180 plus shipping on and off for a few weeks, which is the best price I've seen (other than when they had them for $175, at which point I bought 2 ). IMHO it's a great "battle" trigger.

I have a Timney 3 lb. single stage in my "bench" AR-15 and it's a great trigger but it would be pretty tricky to carry that weapon; I like the Geissele SSA much better for that and could even live with the SSA on the bench AR, it's so good.

Geissele is in the same town where my Monday morning appointment this week is. I wonder how they feel about walk ins... as a tool & diemaker in a past life, I think Bill Geissele and I have a lot in common.

Joe

 

[goose_boy]

Yup, spring is gone. Anyone know where a guy could buy one? A part number, or if anyone could measure theirs for me so I can try to find a match? Thanks again for all the help.

Scudzuki - baby on the way. No 200 dollar triggers anywhere in my new future. Hence my bedding a Tupperware stock. I may try the set screw trick for trigger over travel adjustment, and some JP light springs for a total of about 30 bucks, but other than that ill just have to have good technique!

 

[JB02]

i would give brownells or remington a call to see if they can help you out; that may be easier than doing an internet search for it. I'm sure several people have lost that spring before. Perhaps you could also put a post in the gunsmithing section asking if anyone has a spare spring they can send you

 

[scudzuki]

Yup, spring is gone. Anyone know where a guy could buy one? A part number, or if anyone could measure theirs for me so I can try to find a match? Thanks again for all the help.

Scudzuki - baby on the way. No 200 dollar triggers anywhere in my new future. Hence my bedding a Tupperware stock. I may try the set screw trick for trigger over travel adjustment, and some JP light springs for a total of about 30 bucks, but other than that ill just have to have good technique!

All the ARs I put together for friends (and there have been many) get the setscrew and a polish on the trigger and hammer sear with Mother's or Simichrome or the like.
With the travel limited and a dab of Amsoil synthetic grease on the sear, most of them come in around 6.5 pounds with no grit.
Well worth the time invested; mil spec style AR triggers usually feel terrible with tons of creep and grit.

I'll mail you a setscrew if you want, I bought a bag of 'em with the loctite pre applied and I'll never use them all.
I only have one tap so you're on your own there but many lowers have the hole threaded all the way through already.

Joe

 

[goose_boy]

Thanks Joe, I just got back from town and had to go to the hardware store anyway so I grabbed some. Also picked up a spring for 60 cents, ill see if I can make it work.