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Zeroing a 7.62/308 Battle Rifle

rduckwor

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Tomorrow I will help a friend set up his SCAR H and thought it apropos to ask the question:

How do you prefer to set up your zero on a similar battle rifle? <EDIT> Assume NATO 147 ammunition use.

25/350yards, 50/250 yards, or just 100 yards?

I just zeroed my FAL at 100 knowing that I would be cranking elevation for anything seriously beyond that range.

Thanks.
 
I like a 36 yard zero for COM holds with irons or red dots. Gives me a 5" deviation/spread up and down out to 350 with my BR set-up.
 
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Anything with irons I do 200Y/50Y which takes advantage of the flattest part of the trajectory for most fighting rifle calibers. I always zero at the further distance and 'trust' the closer one.

/Fargo007
 
In USMC ITR and Boot Camp, I was taught to battle sight zero the M1 and M14 at 300m. A Q-and-D sight-in was done on the 1000 inch range (25.4m).

We were also taught that the comeups were: 100 to 200yd, 1 click, 200-300yd, 2 clicks, 300-500yd, 5 (6?) clicks. The first two I remember clear, the last one, maybe not so much. Aim point in all instances is belt buckle.

These days I zero at 200, re-regulate the sights to indicate that distance, and my M1 shoots pretty much 'on' at nearly all of the nearer distances marked on the elevation knob. These days, my Garand wears the .052" diameter 1/2 MOA adjustable rear peep, and a globe front sight with ring-on-post insert; POI equal to POA

I use a standard M1 load of 50.0gr IMR4064, CCI-200, Win Brass, and HDY 150gr FMJBT. My M1 is a pre-WWII (September 1941) version, so I try to keep the loads within published Garand limits.

My M70 deer load is the same case and primer with HDY 150gr SP Interlock and 52.7gr of IMR-4064, sighted-in at 200yd. I carry a LRF whenever I am in the field, regardless of whether I carry a firearm; keeps my eye better calibrated.

Greg
 
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In pre-M16 days, when we used the M-14 we used the Canadian Bull to get a battle sight zero. Aim at the bull (black) and the impact for ball was the bottom X (top X for 5.56 M193). This is a 1000 inch target that gave you a zero of 250 meters.

Canadian%20Bull%20Target.jpg


On the M1/M14 sights once you got it zeroed at any range, You set the dial for that range and you were good to 1200 yards by using the respective mark. You had a number for even yardage (2-200, 4-400 yds, etc.) and a hash for odd number yardage (1-100, & a "-" between the 2 & 4 mark for 300, etc etc) Best sights ever put on a battle rifle.

As Greg indicated, your come ups are: For 1 min clicks:

100-200 2 clicks
200-300 3 clicks
300-400 4 clicks
400-500 4 clicks
500-600 4 clicks
600-700 5 clicks
700-800 6 clicks
800-900 6 clicks
900-1000 7 clicks
1000-1100 7 clicks
1100-1200 8 clicks

This was for Ball ammo, but in reality there isn't that much difference in the ammo the military used.

For example the Angle of departure for the '06, is 2.7 for M1 ball, 2.3 for M2 ball, and 2.4 for M2 Armor Piercing, Moving to 1000 yards the angle of departure for M1 ball is 43.5, 44.6 for M2 ball ad 46.2 for M2 Armor piercing.

That's the quit and dirty, however nothing beats getting a zero for each yard like you expect to shoot. But for combat the above worked quite well.

The witness marks are the M1/M14, again are the best sights ever put on a military rifle. Back in the day where I was running sniper schools different companies would show up at the guard trying to sell scopes. My state (Alaska) was big on sniping so the powers to be would have me test these scopes. Back then they didn't have the stuff they got now, but for example , Shepard Scopes guys had what the considered the cat's meow on scopes. There range estimations wasn't near as good as the iron sights on my M1, meaning when I set the witness mark at a given range the impact hit that range, Not so for the Shepard that was suppose to be calibrated for the same ammo.

As a side not, the 50 yard increments on the M84 scope used on the M1C/Ds were the say way. You set them on a certain yard mark the rifle hit at that distance.

But I'm not in the game any more, and I sure as hell am not going in combat, so I have sight settings for every yard line I shoot, 100, 200, 300, 600, and 1000.
 
What kind of sight does your friend use and which length barrel for the SCAR-H is he using? Also, what is his desired end-state or planned usage?

Giving a generic 50/200m or 25/300m zero (often used for the M4 in normal 14.5" configuration with M855 ammo) does not translate directly to a 7.62 rifle with a different sight offset, ammunition, or barrel-length.
 
Anything with irons I do 200Y/50Y which takes advantage of the flattest part of the trajectory for most fighting rifle calibers. I always zero at the further distance and 'trust' the closer one.

/Fargo007
Same here with irons which I rarely use. Scopes zeroed @ 100 yards.
 
I'm heading out to zero my Colt 901, does anyone have the zero for a 25yd target POA & POI for a 100 yd zero or further?
 
In pre-M16 days, when we used the M-14 we used the Canadian Bull to get a battle sight zero. Aim at the bull (black) and the impact for ball was the bottom X (top X for 5.56 M193). This is a 1000 inch target that gave you a zero of 250 meters.

Canadian%20Bull%20Target.jpg



I believe you have the use of the Canadian Bull target backward. Top X is for the M-14 and the bottom X is for the M-16.

Referenced : The target is to be fired at 25 meters not yards. The strike of the bullet for an M14 is 4.6 cm above the point of aim and 2.4 cm below the point fo aim for the M16A1. This will give a battle sight zero of 250 M. The "soldier will earn to hit targets other than 250 meters by adjusting his point of aim". References FM 23-8 M14 & M14A1 rifles, and Rifle Marksmanship and Phamphlet 21-13 The Soldiers BCT Handbook."