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Coup De Grâce, New Action from American Rifle Company, $899 WOW!

So these have been shipping for almost a year now. How's everyone enjoying their action? I ended up selling mine and embarking on an ar-10 journey.

How would ya'll compare it to the other top under $900 actions like the Origin and Evo II?
 
So these have been shipping for almost a year now. How's everyone enjoying their action? I ended up selling mine and embarking on an ar-10 journey.

How would ya'll compare it to the other top under $900 actions like the Origin and Evo II?
Absolutely no complaints! Feeding 6.5C from AW mags and it's so smooth you can barely tell that you are picking up a round.
 
So these have been shipping for almost a year now. How's everyone enjoying their action? I ended up selling mine and embarking on an ar-10 journey.

How would ya'll compare it to the other top under $900 actions like the Origin and Evo II?
I have not used the Evo or the Origin, so cannot compare. I can say of all my actions this is my favorite and truly think it’s at least equal if not better than any I’ve used in the $1500 range.
 
Here’s what it too to get my CDG to fit in an AICS-AT chassis.
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there a particular vendor you recommend looking into for AW mags that exist? its been months and ive not seen any come into stock
Backorder through EuroOptic worked for me. My magazines shipped before EuroOptic marked them in stock on the website.

-Stan
 
Short Action Precision has AW mags in stock as of now:

 
Short Action Precision has AW mags in stock as of now:

Short Action Precision is a great vendor too.
 
Alright I am ready to get my hand slapped in the cookie jar... Has anyone elses feed ramp and the part of the action between the lugs and threads turned rainbow kind of like an oil slick? I noticed it after cleaning the barrel. My initial thought was CLR discoloration since I used 4 patches during the cleaning process, but I don't know how it would leak that much with how conservativeI am in how much I apply to patches and the angle I had the rifle tilted at to force it to run forward. I also applied some CLR to another surface on the action and let it sit for a similar period of time and it did not react this way which has me absolutely puzzled as to what might have caused this. Would appreciate in knowing if anyone else has seen this before. I haven't gotten to cleaning the actual action yet so apologies for the dust and crud in it, but I did get a shitty picture of it. Thanks in advance

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Alright I am ready to get my hand slapped in the cookie jar... Has anyone elses feed ramp and the part of the action between the lugs and threads turned rainbow kind of like an oil slick? I noticed it after cleaning the barrel. My initial thought was CLR discoloration since I used 4 patches during the cleaning process, but I don't know how it would leak that much with how conservativeI am in how much I apply to patches and the angle I had the rifle tilted at to force it to run forward. I also applied some CLR to another surface on the action and let it sit for a similar period of time and it did not react this way which has me absolutely puzzled as to what might have caused this. Would appreciate in knowing if anyone else has seen this before. I haven't gotten to cleaning the actual action yet so apologies for the dust and crud in it, but I did get a shitty picture of it. Thanks in advance

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Yeah that’s pretty fucked up, I’ll give you $8 for it, you gotta cover shipping though. ;)
 
Alright I am ready to get my hand slapped in the cookie jar... Has anyone elses feed ramp and the part of the action between the lugs and threads turned rainbow kind of like an oil slick? I noticed it after cleaning the barrel. My initial thought was CLR discoloration since I used 4 patches during the cleaning process, but I don't know how it would leak that much with how conservativeI am in how much I apply to patches and the angle I had the rifle tilted at to force it to run forward. I also applied some CLR to another surface on the action and let it sit for a similar period of time and it did not react this way which has me absolutely puzzled as to what might have caused this. Would appreciate in knowing if anyone else has seen this before. I haven't gotten to cleaning the actual action yet so apologies for the dust and crud in it, but I did get a shitty picture of it. Thanks in advance

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It's normal...

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Anyone have a 22lr trainer to complement their CDG? With the CDG feeling closer to a typical 90* throw I was thinking Bergara B14R? Obviously there’s Vudoo/Zermatt but not wanting to go all out on a 22lr yet lol

Thanks guys
I have two b14r (probably don’t need both but ya know…) love em. I have arkens on both of them and I’ve been able so far to keep up with a buddy of mines rimx. Unfortunately it like Norma tac22 the most which is not subsonic according to my ears with my supressor on, but it’s dang close and it shoots great at 100 yards! I’ve stretched it out to 480 but didn’t get much consistency that day. 22s are great in my opinion for training.
 
So these have been shipping for almost a year now. How's everyone enjoying their action? I ended up selling mine and embarking on an ar-10 journey.

How would ya'll compare it to the other top under $900 actions like the Origin and Evo II?
I have zero experience with the EVO II but I do have an origin so here’s my small take after owning the CDG for roughly 6 months and putting 500 ish rds on it including one 2 day prs match. The CDG has a lot more features but has the possibility to be more finicky and need more tinkering. Getting AICS mags to work can take some altering of mag latches (as advertised BTW) even with adjustable mag latches. Ted has a tendency to change things and come out revisions on products but their customer service has been really good!
The origin is a tried and true no nonsense simple action that shares the control round feed ( I really like) and the inertial ejector (I thought I really liked but in prs I’m really hating). Zermatt once sent me a whole baggie of recoil lug pins after responding in less than 30 min to an email I shot out at 5 am, so just on that experience customer service nod goes to Zermatt, but that’s just one experience on one day, both seem fantastic.
If you swap barrels much at all, the pinned recoil lug is a huge downside to the origin, but that’s it.
Both actions are great for the price, neither action competes in quality with a lone peak or impact, and many people love both. Hate for the CDG is more prevalent I think just cuz it’s so different in feel and function, that we’re still figuring out the best ways to run it, while the Origin is just a simple as can be design.
Hope that answers your question a bit
 
Alright I finally had a chance to really use this action. Shot the snake river 2 day match (day 2 only due to my primary gun having ammo issues) and I had some very aggravating experiences.
Wondering if anyone else has had anything similar. I am running a triggertech diamond set at over 1 lb, with he pivoting bolt handle so I’m sure that’s the root of the problem, but 3 sperate times I had the firing pin fail to cock. It would chamber but when I pulled the trigger nothing would happen. Open and close the bolt (not moving it rearward) still nothing. Run the bolt and on one occasion, gun went click on a new round but did not hit the primer, no marks at all on it.
I had about 300 rds on the rifle before the match with zero issues. Anyone else run into anything remotely similar? I’ll put the fixed bolt handle in and see f I can get it to replicate the issue but I really like the feel of the pivoting bolt handle a lot more.
 
Alright I finally had a chance to really use this action. Shot the snake river 2 day match (day 2 only due to my primary gun having ammo issues) and I had some very aggravating experiences.
Wondering if anyone else has had anything similar. I am running a triggertech diamond set at over 1 lb, with he pivoting bolt handle so I’m sure that’s the root of the problem, but 3 sperate times I had the firing pin fail to cock. It would chamber but when I pulled the trigger nothing would happen. Open and close the bolt (not moving it rearward) still nothing. Run the bolt and on one occasion, gun went click on a new round but did not hit the primer, no marks at all on it.
I had about 300 rds on the rifle before the match with zero issues. Anyone else run into anything remotely similar? I’ll put the fixed bolt handle in and see f I can get it to replicate the issue but I really like the feel of the pivoting bolt handle a lot more.
Switch triggers not bolt handles. The problem is in the sear ht & bolt handle wont change that.

Sounds like something is wrong with the trigger sear engagement ht. IIRC the hanger only shifts for/aft to tune out cock on close. There are definitely differences between triggers. I'm running a Huber in mine, never an issue in 700 rounds.

For example I just put together a NRL light hunter built on a Mausingfield M7. The Huber sear height was to high causing a bit of drag and cock on close. Switched to a TT Special & all is well. TT sear ht is lower than Huber in my particular instance.
 
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Switch triggers not bolt handles. The problem is in the sear ht & bolt handle wont change that.

Sounds like something is wrong with the trigger sear engagement ht. IIRC the hanger only shifts for/aft to tune out cock on close. There are definitely differences between triggers. I'm running a Huber in mine, never an issue in 700 rounds.

For example I just put together a NRL light hunter built on a Mausingfield M7. The Huber sear height was to high causing a bit of drag and cock on close. Switched to a TT Special & all is well. TT sear ht is lower than Huber in my particular instance.
Any experience with bix n Andy?
 
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Any experience with bix n Andy?
I do not.
They have 3 optional sear heights. I wouldn't hesitate to use them if I ran into the issue & couldn't resolve it with a trigger swap.

I've use the bix reference chart when setting up or trouble shooting a trigger.

Anyone having troubles in their CDG should start here and measure actual sear engagement.

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I run a 2 stage TT in my CDG at a healthy 1.5 lbs pull weight and never had an issue. I do have a 4oz TT Diamond that I have used for thousands on rounds in my Nuke 2.0 with the 19lbs striker spring and all CCI 450s.
I did have problems with sear height with my RimX and the TT Diamond and rather than mess with the cocking piece I got a BnA with a low sear which I think solved the issue (so far).
 
Maybe it’s already in here somewhere in the 139 pages of this thread but I was a little bit annoyed by the fact that sometimes the ejector does not allow the bolt body to go into the receiver at first stroke. I asked Aaron Hipp on YouTube as a comment of one of his videos about the CDG and he advised to gentle nudge the ejector forward when this happens. At least it works for me, every time it gets struck.
YMMV.
 
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Alright I am ready to get my hand slapped in the cookie jar... Has anyone elses feed ramp and the part of the action between the lugs and threads turned rainbow kind of like an oil slick? I noticed it after cleaning the barrel. My initial thought was CLR discoloration since I used 4 patches during the cleaning process, but I don't know how it would leak that much with how conservativeI am in how much I apply to patches and the angle I had the rifle tilted at to force it to run forward. I also applied some CLR to another surface on the action and let it sit for a similar period of time and it did not react this way which has me absolutely puzzled as to what might have caused this. Would appreciate in knowing if anyone else has seen this before. I haven't gotten to cleaning the actual action yet so apologies for the dust and crud in it, but I did get a shitty picture of it. Thanks in advance

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I want to preface this by stating that I did contact ARC and they did explain to me that this is normal on some CDG actions. I received my action this week and have slight interference at the 6 o’clock lug when cycling the bolt. While it’s barely noticeableI it occurs in areas I see wear marks 1) on the receiver just behind the mag cut out 2) on the ramp pics provided. I didn’t go crazy cycling it 100 times when I got it just a few and stopped when I noticed the issue. They explained to me over the phone the spring tension from the striker spring can cause the bolt head to bias downward causing this contact. I am curious as to if anyone else experiencing this may have buffed these areas to smooth them out, or should I just let it be. Again ARC has great customer service and backs their product 100% If there is ever a warranty issue. This is more for my peace of mind as I continue on with my build.
 

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I don’t have one myself but I would test what they say and take the firing pin out and then run the bolt, still tilting down dragging?
Great idea! After removing the firing pin and striker spring the contact to the rear of the mag cut section was nearly non existent. The contact at the ramp was significantly reduced by about half.
 
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Great idea! After removing the firing pin and striker spring the contact to the rear of the mag cut section was nearly non existent. The contact at the ramp was significantly reduced by about half.
Rounds in a mag or even the mag follower also push the bolt up a little. The way the control round feed works, the case is pushing the bolt up as it gains control of the round.

I've got about 700 on mine with no wear showing at that bottom lug entrance location. If mine were I'd do a little blend/polish as needed.
 
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Rounds in a mag or even the mag follower also push the bolt up a little. The way the control round feed works, the case is pushing the bolt up as it gains control of the round.

I've got about 700 on mine with no wear showing at that bottom lug entrance location. If mine were I'd do a little blend/polish as needed.
Thanks 357Max that’s reassuring. I had this in the back of my mind as well. I become a little OCD about things sometimes. I will touch it up with a blend and polish as you suggested. I’m still amazed at what the customer gets for the price point here.
 
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Anyone tried a GrayOps mag?

 
Thanks 357Max that’s reassuring. I had this in the back of my mind as well. I become a little OCD about things sometimes. I will touch it up with a blend and polish as you suggested. I’m still amazed at what the customer gets for the price point here.
Are you talking about the area between the trigger and mag well opening? If so I called ARC and they said that the DLC coating has worn and not to worry about it. If that’s not what you are talking about forget everything I said. 😎
 
Are you talking about the area between the trigger and mag well opening? If so I called ARC and they said that the DLC coating has worn and not to worry about it. If that’s not what you are talking about forget everything I said. 😎
Yes that Is one area I mentioned and I received the same answer from ARC as you did It’s normal. After torqued to spec in my Foundation stock and with a magazine inserted, no barrel, the action seems to run fine.
Anyone tried a GrayOps mag?

I took a look at these last night and came across a GrayOps mag thread on here. While they are expensive at $165.00 people were approving of them. Interesting 12 round design with the adjustable mag catch built into the magazine. I will second what many other Hide members have stated if you’re looking for AIAW mags and don‘t mind back ordering them eurooptic.com is the place to go. Mine came in within a few weeks.
 
I have a cdg and gray ops mag on hand for my 6br build, initial testing with dummies and one range trip it has been great so far. I’d buy another gray ops before another aw/hrd setup, which has also fed well so far.
 
I have a cdg and gray ops mag on hand for my 6br build, initial testing with dummies and one range trip it has been great so far. I’d buy another gray ops before another aw/hrd setup, which has also fed well so far.
I have been wondering if those Gray Ops mags would be a good option. What stock/bottom metal/ chassis are you running?