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Coup De Grâce, New Action from American Rifle Company, $899 WOW!

#6,951
BFuller said:
I am considering a CDG with a XYLO chassis. I have a Bartlein barrel on the way. I plan to have it chambered for 6bra. Probably TT Special.
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I'm fairly certain getting the Grayops mag is the way to go. By the time you buy a regular AW mag and if (big if) you can find a HRD kit, you're going to be close price wise. And to do a 14 round conversion you're at 175 (mag 90/ extension 40/ HRD kit msrp 45) plus whatever you get charged for labor on the conversion.
And last time I tried HRD's website, I got a 404 message.
 
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I have but one reservation about this action -the conical barrel.

The reason = 6mm arc in ar15 barrels have expansion at the base of the case. They have an unsupported rear portion of the case.

This is seen when resizing and you end up with either shaving end of case or bulging similar
bulging to the 45acp or other magnum straight wall cases like the 460 Smith & Wesson when they get over pressurized.

If this expansion is happening in a AR 15 style barrel, even though it is not over pressurized.

I realize this was talked about at the beginning, but wondering if other people have thought about this or ran the six arc or something similar and did you have expansion issues at the base of the case?

now the action has been out for a little while I’m wondering what thoughts people have on this?
 

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Kocher said:
I have but one reservation about this action -the conical barrel.

The reason = 6mm arc in ar15 barrels have expansion at the base of the case. They have an unsupported rear portion of the case.

This is seen when resizing and you end up with either shaving end of case or bulging similar
bulging to the 45acp or other magnum straight wall cases like the 460 Smith & Wesson when they get over pressurized.

If this expansion is happening in a AR 15 style barrel, even though it is not over pressurized.

I realize this was talked about at the beginning, but wondering if other people have thought about this or ran the six arc or something similar and did you have expansion issues at the base of the case?

now the action has been out for a little while I’m wondering what thoughts people have on this?
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There is no unsupported section of brass in an in spec CDG chamber. Only the extractor groove is exposed.
 
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Kocher said:
I have but one reservation about this action -the conical barrel.

The reason = 6mm arc in ar15 barrels have expansion at the base of the case. They have an unsupported rear portion of the case.

This is seen when resizing and you end up with either shaving end of case or bulging similar
bulging to the 45acp or other magnum straight wall cases like the 460 Smith & Wesson when they get over pressurized.

If this expansion is happening in a AR 15 style barrel, even though it is not over pressurized.

I realize this was talked about at the beginning, but wondering if other people have thought about this or ran the six arc or something similar and did you have expansion issues at the base of the case?

now the action has been out for a little while I’m wondering what thoughts people have on this?
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Perhaps you missed the three or five times that this has been discussed and put to bed already. The conical breach actually supports the base of the case the same as a flat breach.
 
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Yes, I’m sure it has 140+ pages with 3 to 5 post and each page. Sorry I missed it. I just looked through some drawings and I thought it showed more unsupported area but yet I found one at the beginning that actually shows that it doesn’t have any unsupported area anymore than any other barrel, so I guess I answered my question but thanks guys

Appreciate the response either way
 

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Im2bent said:
I have 45acp,44mag,357mag and have never seen a case like that.
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Well, now you have 44 Mag
I’ve had 45 ACP range brass that I picked up and some older cases that when I’ve tried to reload … they had some definite bulging in the
last 1/4 of the case.
 

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Kocher said:
Yes, I’m sure it has 140+ pages with 3 to 5 post and each page. Sorry I missed it. I just looked through some drawings and I thought it showed more unsupported area but yet I found one at the beginning that actually shows that it doesn’t have any unsupported area anymore than any other barrel, so I guess I answered my question but thanks guys

Appreciate the response either way
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I know I gave an abrupt reply. Nothing personal. I was looking for that picture, but missed it somehow.

I did find this one though:

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Notice that, if you do the math, the exposed case head to chamber distance is the same in both the bottom left and bottom right illustrations.
 
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lash said:
I know I gave an abrupt reply. Nothing personal. I was looking for that picture, but missed it somehow.

I did find this one though:

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Notice that, if you do the math, the exposed case head to chamber distance is the same in both the bottom left and bottom right illustrations.
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None taken, I expected some banter about it ha ha ..

One can use an entire day up going through these threads…. I was busy trying to look through this one when the doctor was digging glass out of my foot.

Yes, that is the diagram. I originally looked at and was basing my question on (far left diagram/photo ) I am shit for math lately must come with age or just facing stupidity?

Perhaps I’ll join the rest of the crew and just shit myself hope the pull-ups catch it all and if it doesn’t yo for the nurse to come and clean it up?

Oh, the golden years ….looking forward to them!
 
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Kocher said:
None taken, I expected some banter about it ha ha ..

One can use an entire day up going through these threads…. I was busy trying to look through this one when the doctor was digging glass out of my foot.

Yes, that is the diagram. I originally looked at and was basing my question on (far left diagram/photo ) I am shit for math lately must come with age or just facing stupidity?

Perhaps I’ll join the rest of the crew and just shit myself hope the pull-ups catch it all and if it doesn’t yo for the nurse to come and clean it up?

Oh, the golden years ….looking forward to them!
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The problem your having with 6 ARC is a die problem.
Use a Wilson die & you won’t have that problem. The picture you posted of the 6 arc case is sized with a small base sizer or a Hornady which is a small base sizer (un-advertized). I’ve loaded the 6arc hot in a gas gun and never had a bulged case across 3 barrels.

Pic below is CDG barrel.
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357Max said:
The problem your having with 6 ARC is a die problem.
Use a Wilson die & you won’t have that problem. The picture you posted of the 6 arc case is sized with a small base sizer or a Hornady which is a small base sizer (un-advertized). I’ve loaded the 6arc hot in a gas gun and never had a bulged case across 3 barrels.

Pic below is CDG barrel.
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Makes perfect sense..
I think though, I will switch over to a bolt gun in 6-ARC.. it is just too boutique, for my primary fighting rifle, and I do not like killing dogs, perhaps only other use for me would be banging steel or hogs…
Thank you for taking the time to post the information…
 
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Hi I was wondering if anyone with a CDG action experience a firing pin being sheared?

Some back story, I had a local club match yesterday 5/5 and rifle ran fine without any issues what so ever (picture of brass after match). In preparation for a regional match I was going to clean the rifle as I always do before a match, and when I disassembled the bolt I had noticed that my firing pin tip was sheared off. Once I noticed that I went in to panic mode and immediately called American Rifle Company!

I highly praise the team at American Rifle Company as their customer service representatives helped me right away and understood that I NEEDED a replacement ASAP.
 

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iMarvin said:
Hi I was wondering if anyone with a CDG action experience a firing pin being sheared?

Some back story, I had a local club match yesterday 5/5 and rifle ran fine without any issues what so ever (picture of brass after match). In preparation for a regional match I was going to clean the rifle as I always do before a match, and when I disassembled the bolt I had noticed that my firing pin tip was sheared off. Once I noticed that I went in to panic mode and immediately called American Rifle Company!

I highly praise the team at American Rifle Company as their customer service representatives helped me right away and understood that I NEEDED a replacement ASAP.
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Sheared....like broken in the middle and you had both pieces when disassembled sort of thing? And in your view the action continued to fire the ammo with the broken pin?
 
#6,969
Baron23 said:
Sheared....like broken in the middle and you had both pieces when disassembled sort of thing? And in your view the action continued to fire the ammo with the broken pin?
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No just the tip. I honestly couldn't tell you, all my trigger presses felt consistent throughout the whole day. I did clean the bolt the day before the match and didn't notice cracks or nothing. If it did break during the match I didn't notice any weird flyers at all.

I have 962 live fire and ball park 1-2000 dry fires on the action.
 

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Kocher said:
I have but one reservation about this action -the conical barrel.

The reason = 6mm arc in ar15 barrels have expansion at the base of the case. They have an unsupported rear portion of the case.

This is seen when resizing and you end up with either shaving end of case or bulging similar
bulging to the 45acp or other magnum straight wall cases like the 460 Smith & Wesson when they get over pressurized.

If this expansion is happening in a AR 15 style barrel, even though it is not over pressurized.

I realize this was talked about at the beginning, but wondering if other people have thought about this or ran the six arc or something similar and did you have expansion issues at the base of the case?

now the action has been out for a little while I’m wondering what thoughts people have on this?
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Do you have a barrel vise and action wrench? If so you should take your barrel off and put a sized case in the chamber to double check that you don't have any of the case body that's unsupported(like in post picture #6964). I agree with most here saying that there shouldn't be any unsupported case body if everything was done properly but the picture you shared screams unsupported case.
 
#6,978
jzerfoss said:
Do you have a barrel vise and action wrench? If so you should take your barrel off and put a sized case in the chamber to double check that you don't have any of the case body that's unsupported(like in post picture #6964). I agree with most here saying that there shouldn't be any unsupported case body if everything was done properly but the picture you shared screams unsupported case.
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I don't see any unsupported case in post 6964. I can see the extraction groove cut as well a a reflection of the case.
 
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RedDogN8 said:
Any one selling a barreled action, or is everyone buying the CDG and going to PVA or other for the pre-fit?
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#6,986
netcat said:
Alright I am ready to get my hand slapped in the cookie jar... Has anyone elses feed ramp and the part of the action between the lugs and threads turned rainbow kind of like an oil slick? I noticed it after cleaning the barrel. My initial thought was CLR discoloration since I used 4 patches during the cleaning process, but I don't know how it would leak that much with how conservativeI am in how much I apply to patches and the angle I had the rifle tilted at to force it to run forward. I also applied some CLR to another surface on the action and let it sit for a similar period of time and it did not react this way which has me absolutely puzzled as to what might have caused this. Would appreciate in knowing if anyone else has seen this before. I haven't gotten to cleaning the actual action yet so apologies for the dust and crud in it, but I did get a shitty picture of it. Thanks in advance

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It's your rainbow wall decorations reflecting in the photo... 🤣
 
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#6,988
carbonbased said:
“I am a sapient jug of fruit punch.”

Lol you sure you’re not really an English major and you just play an aerospace machinist on TV?
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Considering that I am enrolled in Weber State as a Manufacturing Engineering major and have been procrastinating my math placement test (stupid math course credits expire and have to place again bull crap), I'm pretty sure. Have machining credits that count to my major from 2005.

Then again my email and username elsewhere on the internet relates to books, a photo album on my phone titled English with 112 pictures in it, and I started a thread on English is bonkers relates to your point.
www.snipershide.com

Proofs that English is a bonkers language

I've been collecting some of these for a while. Post your favorite proof of the English language being weird, hard, or hilarious examples of messing English up royally. Will also welcome proofs that other languages are bonkers as well.
www.snipershide.com www.snipershide.com
 
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LeftyJason said:
Considering that I am enrolled in Weber State as a Manufacturing Engineering major and have been procrastinating my math placement test (stupid math course credits expire and have to place again bull crap), I'm pretty sure. Have machining credits that count to my major from 2005.

Then again my email and username elsewhere on the internet relates to books, and I started a thread on English is bonkers relates to your point.
www.snipershide.com

Proofs that English is a bonkers language

I've been collecting some of these for a while. Post your favorite proof of the English language being weird, hard, or hilarious examples of messing English up royally. Will also welcome proofs that other languages are bonkers as well.
www.snipershide.com www.snipershide.com
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You’ve got the perfect cover…
 
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