Me as well, It is just not needed! There could be issues with multiple unknowns with respect to mating surface quality/materials from barrel threads.
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If you go hand tight and start noticing spread in your groups, check those action screws. That happened to me once, and when I checked, my actions screws were finger loose. After that, I torqued them to 65 lb-ft.
Screwing on a barrel hand tight has to be one of the most idiotic things I've read here in a while, and that's saying something.
whoofta. Have to run through 6 or 7 before one would hold up?
FWIW for various testing situations where we're swapping calibers and aren't incredibly concerned with reliable accuracy we've run hand-tight barrels. But it's also bit us in the ass. The thread joint isn't stiff at all and you can easily knock MPOI around by impacting the barrel, and if the start walking loose you get headspace issues along with the wandering POI.
I usually do 45-60ft-lb myself. Enough that they'll never walk loose without me trying.
I usually do 45-60ft-lb myself. Enough that they'll never walk loose without me trying.
Keep tightening until the barrel gets loose again then back off 1/8 of a turn.
A number of posts in this thread, and quite a few others, reminds me of the old saying:
Not always right, but never in doubt.
Not always right, but never in doubt.
Yup, just speak with authority and act if everyone else is a fool to question you......
Torque values are clearly irrelevant in a wide area of ranges. Pretty sure if tighter was ALWAYS better, it would be a little more known phenomenon.
It’s known by those who know it.
Personally, I don’t give it a second thought. Just go by the manf recommended value.
I have a barrel out being spun for a CDG. This is my first prefit action. Ted says 100 ft/lbs and not to exceed 150 ft/lbs and that’s exactly what I intend to do.
This sort of precludes any interest this hotly debated topic. lol.
Oh…and don’t be too sure you know which posts I was referring to! Hahaha.
Cheers.
80-100 ft/lbs for a shouldered barrel
I've given multiple examples of those are. If you choose not to read those examples, I can't help you.Really, very cryptic indeed!
And yet those who design actions and serious industry engineers doubt, who would have thunk
That said Black Magic does exist right
. I will say that if if Tate posts it on the website, I will follow his guidance! Two of those action designers, and serious engineers are actually two of the ones I mentioned. Reading is hard.And yet those who design actions and serious industry engineers doubt, who would have thunk
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Ever pulled a barrel off a Tikka?And yet those who design actions and serious industry engineers doubt, who would have thunk
Ever had one that didn’t shoot?
Ever even seen one? no to all of the above and you are as annoying as DBD and just as dense.
I'm dense?! Ironic.
I will end this and agree to disagree
You do you. Just know that you're disagreeing with results, and some of the best minds and engineers in the industry.
now who is being dense, we don't care!
If Old is synonymous with stubborn, then you are.
Would it be better if we all agreed with each other and there were no real discussions or differences ?
Interesting that you think that bolsters your position.... So if I offered AI as an example???
Anyways, as I previously commented, it doesn't really matter
AI uses a completely different type of connection, but if you tried to pull one without loosening the locking screw, you’ll generate well over than 100ft/lbs before it turns.Interesting that you think that bolsters your position.... So if I offered AI as an example???
Anyways, as I previously commented, it doesn't really matter
It does matter.
Yes, I'm aware of the AI clamping system. It certainly is different, though I would argue it is not a "torqued" shoulder to reciever to any apprecable degree.
This argument is circular, for every example that torque matters, there is an equally good example that it makes no discernable difference.
Happy to have different view points, neither of us are going to change it seems......
Honestly all the best!
Maybe report him like you do everyone else that does not take your crap ?
PS. Please quit stalking me on all the other forums, it is getting very creepy .
I’ve never reported anyone that wasn’t a Chinese bot. That’s your MO. You don’t exist on other forums.Maybe report him like you do everyone else that does not take your crap ?
PS. Please quit stalking me on all the other forums, it is getting very creepy .
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