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Rifle Scopes School me on Magnification between brands. March PRS

Please don't beat yourself up on this. Let me tell you a story.
A few years ago, March introduced the March-X 8-80X56 HM Majesta. The original 8-80X56 has an AOV of 20°, which is pretty much the standard in eyepieces. The regular eyepieces range for about 18 to about 22-23°. In F-Class (boo, hiss), the eyepieces of all the top riflescopes are between 19 and 20°. In 2022, I had a prototype of the Majesta, and I lent it to a great F-Open shooter (I'm an old decrepit, past my prime F-TR shooter,)and he won the Nationals with the Majesta. He was running it at 80X in Phoenix at 1000 yards. He said when the mirage was too soupy, he backed it off some and when he looked, it was at 75X. The FOV of the Majesta allowed him to see his entire target at 80X and half the target on either side of his. Keep that in mind.

The Majesta was released in 2023 and has been winning the F-Open Nationals and/or also taking second place and more ever since then. It just won the Euros at Bisley last month. Most people run it at 80X, but there are some who back off to 60X and don't even use a spotting scope anymore because they see all they want to see at 60X in a Majesta.

Interlude. The vast majority of shooters are unable to properly compare optics, even side by side. Here's why: they can't compare like for like. I have been attending SHOT Show in the March booth since 2018. I have observed hundreds of people looking at, through, and around riflescopes. They will wind the zoom down to the bottom and then cycle it through to the max, and then back and forth a few times and nod their head. What did they see? What did they expect to see? What is their recollection? They have no clue. It's not to be nasty, but it's reality. If I give you a Majesta to look through and you go through the ritual I just talked about, you will see a BRIGHT, huge, dazzling image going from 8X to about 40X. After that, it starts getting a little darker, and darker and more so. When you get to the top end, 80X, it's friggin dark and tough to hold. Especially when you're standing up, holding your bag of giveaways. So, I put it on a tripod, which makes it a little easier to see. Your memory of this riflescope: it sure gets dark and touchy at the top end. You're absolutely correct, but when you compare it to a riflescope that has a zoom range from say, 15X to 55X, you think that brand doesn't get nearly as dark at the top end. In reality, you have compared an 8X to 80X zoom (10X zoom) to a 15-55X (3.5X zoom). End of interlude.

A few months after the Majesta's introduction, a friend of mine who was shooting a 15-55X riflescope, wanted to see what the big deal was with the Majesta. I offered him to look through mine as my rifle was on the line. He got behind it and looked through at the F-class target 1000 yards away. After a bit, he got up and he said that he couldn't see what the big deal was. I asked him to check the magnification setting on the Majesta. I have mine at 80X all the time. He said, it's 80X. I asked him at which power his scope was set and he said 55X. I then asked him to set the Majesta at 55X and that another look. His face spoke volumes. He understood the difference.

I already talked about different zoom ratios, but now he had stumbled on the different AOV issue. You see, the 15-55X scope he was used to has an AOV of about 20°. The magic is that at 73X, the Majesta has the same AOV as the other scope at 55X. The difference between 73X and 80X, is mouse nuts in this comparison. His brain was used to seeing the F-class target at 55X, with half a target on either side. It was getting the same picture in the Majesta at 80X, but the brain didn't grasp that the picture was bigger, it just saw it as darker. 80X will be darker than 55X. When he wound down the Majesta to 55X, the AOV was a lot bigger, and the image was much brighter. It takes a while for the brain to adjust and figure out that the size of the target is the same 55X for both scopes, but that the Majesta shows a lot more of the surrounding environment. This fools the brain into thinking the image of the target is smaller. But it's not and you can easily place the reticle. When you crank the Majesta back to 80X, the target view is the same as the other scope's at 55X (near enough) but the brain doesn't realize it. It's only when you start placing the reticle on the 80X image that you realize you can be much more surgical in the reticle placement.


When you try to compare two or more riflescopes, you have to be very much aware of the specs for each: zoom ratio, low mag, high mag, and AOV. People make statements such as "March scopes are dark" because they don't grasp that it's an 8X or 10X zoom, compared to a 3X or 4X zoom. From bottom to top, a 10X zoom will darken, much more than a 4X zoom. But then you compare at the same exact magnification on both scopes, the results are different. It's even more insidious comparing wide angle riflescopes to regular riflescopes, as you have discovered.

This is why I am saying the vast majority of shooters can't compare riflescopes. The best way to do that is to use the riflescope and see if it limits you more than the other scope, or does it allow you to perform better. This is what we are seeing now with the March-FX 5-42X56 PRS scope.

The extra AOV (Angle of View) allows you to either run at higher mag, be more surgical in placement of the reticle and maintain the same image to your brain as before, or, run at the same magnification as before and use the larger view to detect condition changes and gain extra awareness. Or a little of both. Either way, I think you will see that the added AOV will enhance your performance.

It has been my experience that most people will default back to having the same sight picture and will benefit from the higher magnification. But there are some shooters who prefer to take advantage of the larger picture at the same magnification.

And before you ask, yes, I believe there is such a thing as too much AOV in a riflescope, but that's for another day.

Sorry for the long rambling post.
Denys can I have this in audiobook at shot show lol

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Still waiting for your explanation on how the physics of tuning RF is different from CF…
I am sure you are, and will likely keep waiting, as there would be nothing I could say other than the two are worlds apart and you have ignored everyone who has tried to explain it.
With a slow, irregular, easily deformed lead projectile traveling at subsonic speeds down a fairly fouled barrel ( Rimfire are in ways more like black powder rounds that the modern high speed rounds in terms of crud deposits in the barrel). I honestly have not the time nor inclination to dig out my physics 201 fluids and physical properties texts to deal with it.
I have shot with great shooter both center fire and Rimfire. I know that center fire BR matches are won frequently by non-tuned rifles while in Rimfire you almost never see a non-tuned rifle at the top.
My BR rig is amazing and shoots great groups without a tuner, but is much easier to get the spectacular groups when the tuner is on. Counter my 308s deliver spectacular groups without a tuner.
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I still don't care about that. I"m still getting my Colt SAA Peacemaker.

Dude, buy an older one. Plenty of barely used to NIB offerings out there that go back a few decades.

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Agree to disagree. Choosing a different trigger or adding a slide top treatment doesn't make a custom 1911. One could potentially make the case that Yost and Burton build what they build and those aren't terribly custom either, but I wouldn't.

Seems you're putting an odd spin on the word 'custom'. Every Nighthawk is made by one smith who signs it. I'm sure that if you want to spend the money, they will take it and build you what ever you want.

But no, they're not meteorite 1911's.

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Several years ago I had my C&R license. Even when surplus stuff was still cheap (like $99 for a CZ52) I went a little nuts. It's an addiction.
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My favorite is having to use a jack to pull the calf out. And the mother frickin’ ALWAYS goes alone, DEEP into the woods where you can’t get a pickup with 500 yards. Then, of course it has to be 2:00 in the frickin’ morning on the single coldest day humanity has ever recorded.

Yeah… joy of joys.

How about checking on a heifer that's been calving awhile only to finally see the feet coming out soles up☹️
Get her in the chute only to pull a dead calf
Yeah, I saved the heifer but damn that was a nice calf to give to the coyotes.
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Or better yet
A cow is not progressing past the front feet so I get her in
Find two front feet and two rear feet
OK, I have twins so try to push one back in while pulling other one out.
No go, will not separate.
So this is what I cut out.
One body, two calves each going opposite directions
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If I die in my sleep tonight the missus can put on my gravestone
Good long life, he may not have seen it all but he saw a helluva lot.