I would hesitate to underestimate Iran's stupidity or thier leaders desire to see a virgin.
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The'leaders' have no desire or intent of seeing virgins. They want their followers to buy that shit.
As I understand it Iran was "planning" to strike first. Maybe not so much now with enough firepower to level one of their cities on their doorstep.
Emo wouldn't understand power projection, or peace through strength, which is exactly what this is.
Figure the odds he wasn't on a sidewalk holding a hippy sign somewhere when Regan pulled out of START and funded Star Wars. I'm quite sure he had no idea WTF was going on, and believed that Regan was building it so he could use it against the Russians immediately. If you follow he thinks we're evil and the 12vers are good. This base anti-Americanism he can't hide is why the left ought to be a fringe. Most of their leaders are just much better at disguising it than he is.
What he doesn't understand, because it doesn't fit his dogma, is the 12vers in Iran have openly stated that as soon as they acquire a nuke they will use it immediately. They BELIEVE, just as much as he believes in communism/socialism, that in order for the Mahdi to come there needs to be war and chaos. They are like radical anarchists, because the more chaos there is the faster their messiah will come. They're not trying to build nukes for deterrence and stability. They're building them to deploy immediately, and all you have to do is listen to what they tell their own people.
It's no different than reading "Mein Kampf", and then being shocked at what Hitler did, or reading "Dreams From My Father", and then being shocked Obama is a communist.
Just put "imam mahdi explained" in youtube, and you come up will all sorts of Ayatollah speeches and expositions of Shia eschatology.
Yea, it all sounds nuts. They believe this shit, and until you accept they believe it you will remain ignorant and unable to understand WHY they do the shit they do.
It's some sort of leftist mental disorder to project your own beliefs on everyone else and completely ignore what they say themselves. That's why you seem so incredibly stupid when your IQ is actually quite normal or even high.
Emo wouldn't understand power projection, or peace through strength, which is exactly what this is.
Figure the odds he wasn't on a sidewalk holding a hippy sign somewhere when Regan pulled out of START and funded Star Wars. I'm quite sure he had no idea WTF was going on, and believed that Regan was building it so he could use it against the Russians immediately. If you follow he thinks we're evil and the 12vers are good. This base anti-Americanism he can't hide is why the left ought to be a fringe. Most of their leaders are just much better at disguising it than he is.
What he doesn't understand, because it doesn't fit his dogma, is the 12vers in Iran have openly stated that as soon as they acquire a nuke they will use it immediately. They BELIEVE, just as much as he believes in communism/socialism, that in order for the Mahdi to come there needs to be war and chaos. They are like radical anarchists, because the more chaos there is the faster their messiah will come. They're not trying to build nukes for deterrence and stability. They're building them to deploy immediately, and all you have to do is listen to what they tell their own people.
It's no different than reading "Mein Kampf", and then being shocked at what Hitler did, or reading "Dreams From My Father", and then being shocked Obama is a communist.
Just put "imam mahdi explained" in youtube, and you come up will all sorts of Ayatollah speeches and expositions of Shia eschatology.
Yea, it all sounds nuts. They believe this shit, and until you accept they believe it you will remain ignorant and unable to understand WHY they do the shit they do.
It's some sort of leftist mental disorder to project your own beliefs on everyone else and completely ignore what they say themselves. That's why you seem so incredibly stupid when your IQ is actually quite normal or even high.
"Is John Bolton manipulating Trump to attack Iran?"
"What they are describing is a strategy designed to push Trump away from negotiating and into a situation where military force is his only option. If it looks like Bolton is trying to foment war, it's probably because he is."
Source:
nymag.com
New York magazine
"What they are describing is a strategy designed to push Trump away from negotiating and into a situation where military force is his only option. If it looks like Bolton is trying to foment war, it's probably because he is."
Source:
Is John Bolton Manipulating Trump to Attack Iran?
Trump might want to rebrand the Iran nuclear deal. His national security adviser wants war.
nymag.com New York magazine
Can we just take all of their hot women and level the rest? That’s all I care about. There is actually good people in Iran. It’s the idiots that have gained power that are the crazies!!!!
"Is John Bolton manipulating Trump to attack Iran?"
"What they are describing is a strategy designed to push Trump away from negotiating and into a situation where military force is his only option. If it looks like Bolton is trying to foment war, it's probably because he is."
Source:
Is John Bolton Manipulating Trump to Attack Iran?
Trump might want to rebrand the Iran nuclear deal. His national security adviser wants war.
New York magazine
Check out who owns that mag.
What are you babling most of the worlds totalitarian regimes are 'allies' ,by ME standards iran is far from the most totalitarian it wouldnt even feature in the middle of the pack . Most of the Gulf and even north African countries are ''full on'' totalitarian regimes. In addtion Saudi Arabia ,Qatar and UAE are super heavy weight terrorist supporters ,From US to Asia 95+% of terrorist eents are down to some of their spawn, all other world players combined are not even remotely near the Gulf states.
Military service certainly can give people an idea of the current state of geopolitics but an uncolored knowledge of recent history (probably late 1800s to present) tells you everything you need to know.
The uncolored part is important. If you can't see through the recent revisionism of the news media and leftist educators, you might be as confused as erno86.
Looking at almost every middle East country with oil, you have huge class separation between the ruling elite with all the oil money and the average person on the edge of poverty, choking on sand.
The ruling class has to rule with power which is why they use chemical weapons, nuclear programs and periodically murder large numbers of their political opposition.
Saddam Hussein is a good example of this. He had to skirt UN inspections and stockpile weapons despite the consequences because doing otherwise the appearance of weakness would have invited invasion from Iran or revolution from within.
The crazy trick they have come up with is using religion to control the people and blame their problems on western infidels and Jews/Israel.
It's a delicate balance which is why most politicians don't want to touch it but leaning on Iran destabilizes them internally.
We don't need to lean on them hard, we just need to keep it up long enough and eventually they will have to choose between dismantling their nuclear program, invasion by their neighbors or revolution from within.
If Trump wins a second term, that should give him enough time to neutralize Iran's nuclear program and maybe even get the ball rolling on Korean reunification (probably by brokering a deal to buy out Kim with South Korea and US money).
With the right moves you don't have to start wars but you have to move with strength.
Trump is using his pieces well.
The ruling class has to rule with power which is why they use chemical weapons, nuclear programs and periodically murder large numbers of their political opposition.
Saddam Hussein is a good example of this. He had to skirt UN inspections and stockpile weapons despite the consequences because doing otherwise the appearance of weakness would have invited invasion from Iran or revolution from within.
The crazy trick they have come up with is using religion to control the people and blame their problems on western infidels and Jews/Israel.
It's a delicate balance which is why most politicians don't want to touch it but leaning on Iran destabilizes them internally.
We don't need to lean on them hard, we just need to keep it up long enough and eventually they will have to choose between dismantling their nuclear program, invasion by their neighbors or revolution from within.
If Trump wins a second term, that should give him enough time to neutralize Iran's nuclear program and maybe even get the ball rolling on Korean reunification (probably by brokering a deal to buy out Kim with South Korea and US money).
With the right moves you don't have to start wars but you have to move with strength.
Trump is using his pieces well.
Total bullshit , leanign on Cuba 55+years , leaning on Norks 60+ years ,Iran so far cca 40y what makes anyone think tipping point is just around the corner. That is just sheer ignorance as you have never looked at how system then works.
I have been to Iran under sanctions and after they were lifted , altough general populace has it much easyer without , the power of elite under sactions doesn deminish as these are the people that can get things done , stuff smugled, supply comodities,control prices ,control currency exchange this is one of the reasons why large parts of the economy are then run by IRGC and pals etc ,bankign is done off shore in Dubai ,HK, Belgium ,Estonia. an that is making considerable number of people ritch beyond imagination .
Many of these regimes would have already gone way of Dodo without sanctions , i am not sure about the Irans Mullahs as even without US ,Saudi Iran rivaly is enough to keep them going Religion is hard to factor out and Sauds as keepers of the holy sites are considered fake as shit (whoring around the world,snorting cocaine by plane loads and generaly flounting every religious norm they pretend to follow while enforcing it on others and exporting it to tune of some 300bilion $ so far),but Cuba and Norks definetly wouldn make this far.
All of these folks parents became filthy ritch only because of sanctions.
https://www.instagram.com/therichkidsoftehran/?hl=en
I have been to Iran under sanctions and after they were lifted , altough general populace has it much easyer without , the power of elite under sactions doesn deminish as these are the people that can get things done , stuff smugled, supply comodities,control prices ,control currency exchange this is one of the reasons why large parts of the economy are then run by IRGC and pals etc ,bankign is done off shore in Dubai ,HK, Belgium ,Estonia. an that is making considerable number of people ritch beyond imagination .
Many of these regimes would have already gone way of Dodo without sanctions , i am not sure about the Irans Mullahs as even without US ,Saudi Iran rivaly is enough to keep them going Religion is hard to factor out and Sauds as keepers of the holy sites are considered fake as shit (whoring around the world,snorting cocaine by plane loads and generaly flounting every religious norm they pretend to follow while enforcing it on others and exporting it to tune of some 300bilion $ so far),but Cuba and Norks definetly wouldn make this far.
All of these folks parents became filthy ritch only because of sanctions.
https://www.instagram.com/therichkidsoftehran/?hl=en
Cuba is entirely different, they didn't have to worry about Jamaica invading them.
We were their threat and leaning on them got them to remove their ICBMs.
Also communist governments are different from the quasi-religious dictatorships you see in the middle East and Cuba's casino money dried up after the revolution.
I'm pretty sure only the democrats would say shit if we removed the communists from power in Cuba.
We were their threat and leaning on them got them to remove their ICBMs.
Also communist governments are different from the quasi-religious dictatorships you see in the middle East and Cuba's casino money dried up after the revolution.
I'm pretty sure only the democrats would say shit if we removed the communists from power in Cuba.
Hi,
Raise your hand if you think sanctions have an affect on Government powers.
Sanctions typically only affect the lowly populace.....hence why the citizens of Tehran rioted against the Tehran Grand Bazaar..because a certain few families in Iran tanked their dollar on purpose so that some "out the box" trading could be done.
Ever wonder why companies like H&K, Antonov, Steyr, Rheinmetal, Robinson Armament (exemption expired currently), etc are exempted from these "sanctions"?
Iran at this very day is allowed to do business with companies such as these but yet our Government and MSM touts sanctions this, sanctions that, sanctions crippling this, etc etc.
The sanctions are in place to keep the lowly populace dependent on the Government powers that our own Government claims were against.
Does anyone really think Iran would not currently be as westernized as they were Pre-1978 if the USA really wanted it to be?
Sincerely,
Theis
Raise your hand if you think sanctions have an affect on Government powers.
Sanctions typically only affect the lowly populace.....hence why the citizens of Tehran rioted against the Tehran Grand Bazaar..because a certain few families in Iran tanked their dollar on purpose so that some "out the box" trading could be done.
Ever wonder why companies like H&K, Antonov, Steyr, Rheinmetal, Robinson Armament (exemption expired currently), etc are exempted from these "sanctions"?
Iran at this very day is allowed to do business with companies such as these but yet our Government and MSM touts sanctions this, sanctions that, sanctions crippling this, etc etc.
The sanctions are in place to keep the lowly populace dependent on the Government powers that our own Government claims were against.
Does anyone really think Iran would not currently be as westernized as they were Pre-1978 if the USA really wanted it to be?
Sincerely,
Theis
Which administration?
Obama was pretty much a tool of Iran when he signed the Iran Nuclear Agreement. GWB was too busy with Iraq to consider trying regime change at the same time. Clinton was useless. Bush senior was busy with Iraq again. Do you blame Reagan? I think he was busy taking down the USSR. Carter probably fucked us.
Obama was pretty much a tool of Iran when he signed the Iran Nuclear Agreement. GWB was too busy with Iraq to consider trying regime change at the same time. Clinton was useless. Bush senior was busy with Iraq again. Do you blame Reagan? I think he was busy taking down the USSR. Carter probably fucked us.
Seriously ? what fantasy world would that be.
Soviets had nukes there, not the Cubans. Sanctions did not move a lawn mover let alone ICBMs , Soviets moved nukes so did US , Jupiter missiles from bases in Italy and Turkey
Iran doesnt need to worry of anyone invading post iran iraq war and even less now days , who would invade? Iraq? That is basicaly turned from being their arch enemy to BFFs , not to mention Iran has far more cannon fodder (80+mio and growing )than any and all adversaries in the Gulf ,(also look at the map of the terrain ,no one is invading with ease over that)if anything much of GCC is shiting their pants because of Iran not the other way around altough they all poses much more sophisticated militaries that are realisticaly just for parades .Anytime they need something done in GCC mercs are brought in .
Saudi parades
Hi,
The current one..hence I said "Iran at this very day".
Same BS as the Russia sanctions...well except the Russia sanctions not only exempt specific companies; it actually exempts specific people too.
Sincerely,
Theis
The current one..hence I said "Iran at this very day".
Same BS as the Russia sanctions...well except the Russia sanctions not only exempt specific companies; it actually exempts specific people too.
Sincerely,
Theis
Who cares who they belonged to? They never would have got to the table without the blockade.Seriously ? what fantasy world would that be.
Soviets had nukes there, not the Cubans. Sanctions did not move a lawn mover let alone ICBMs , Soviets moved nukes so did US , Jupiter missiles from bases in Italy and Turkey
Iran doesnt need to worry of anyone invading post iran iraq war and even less now days , who would invade? Iraq? That is basicaly turned from being their arch enemy to BFFs , not to mention Iran has far more cannon fodder (80+mio and growing )than any and all adversaries in the Gulf ,(also look at the map of the terrain ,no one is invading with ease over that)if anything much of GCC is shiting their pants because of Iran not the other way around altough they all poses much more sophisticated militaries that are realisticaly just for parades .Anytime they need something done in GCC mercs are brought in .
Saudi parades
Look at the map of Iran. A lot of mountains in Iran. Please provide me with examples of Foreign troops quickly conquering mountain people? Mountain terrain is hard to fight on. Mountain people will kill you on every inch of it. Conquering Iran would be like conquering West By God Virginia, you might be able to do it, but it would be a long hard expensive fight.
Regardless of how you feel about Israel, Iran developing nukes is bad news for just about everyone. Iran could use a good ass kicking, which would have the added benefit of motivating North Korea and certain other countries to play ball.
The 2003 invasion of Iraq was not a mistake. Staying there for 10+ years to "build democracy" was. Remove the bad guy at the top and replace him with another dictator who, at least, will not be a source of problems for you. That's a strategy that worked well for many centuries.
The 2003 invasion of Iraq was not a mistake. Staying there for 10+ years to "build democracy" was. Remove the bad guy at the top and replace him with another dictator who, at least, will not be a source of problems for you. That's a strategy that worked well for many centuries.
No need to fight in the mountains and occupy the entire country. Go in, blow up the nuclear reactors, kill the leadership in Teheran if you can, and then leave. Let the Iranians sort things out between themselves afterwards.
I hope it does not come to that. Yet if they have turned pirate against tankers we will need some way to help them find their proper place.
Fecal material of a male bovine.
That strategy is very short sighted. Its exactly what we did in Central America and is exactly why we have tens of thousands of people fleeing here. Because we put in puppet governments that did nothing but abuse the people. Same in many other parts of the world.
I thought the same about Afghanistan.
I won't say we have pacified it, though our soldiers are capable, we just don't have the political will to issue the ass kicking and leave.
We shouldn't try to rebuild Iran, just kill the mullah faction and leave as fast as possible.
Besides I haven't been seen a list of strategic goals yet so I'm against any war there, I'm pretty much against any war there until I see the threat to this country.
Nonsense. You have hundreds of thousands (if not more) fleeing Central America purely for economic reasons. People leave poor countries and migrate to rich countries. It's been like since the days of Rome.
Why do you think they are poor"
Because we set up puppet dictatorships that oppressed the people. Ever been to El Salvador? I have. Guatemala? I have. I got lost in the mts. Of Guatemala and ended up in a isolated Mayan village where no one spoke English and only one spoke Spanish. There were no men. Not one. I thought they were all up in the mountains working and didnt think much of it. When I got home and was talking to a knowledgeable friend I found out they were in the mts., for sure. Dead, murdered by the right wing military dictatorship we helped install and the mercs we trained, many at Benning.
I understand the new president has got is tamed down but those people will never be the same.
LOL. I have some bad news for your. 70-80% of the world is dirt poor. Ever been to rural China or India? How about Bangladesh or Papua New Guinea? Democratic Republic of Congo? The U.S. never invaded any of those place for installed "right wing military dictatorships" there.
The missing men in the Mayan village from your anecdote are not dead. They are in the U.S., working illegally on farms in California and Texas and sending money back home.
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As am I, I would also like to see how we will define victory.
LOL yourself, thats bullshit.
Granted the Spanish robbed much of the treasure 500 years ago, but the land if rich and the people are industrious. They are poor because the powerful, and in this case installed bu the US. government raped them, robbed them and killed them ever hear the term 'Banana Republic.? As to the other places, notably Africa, no, the US didnt. The British, Dutch, and French did however.
Youre wrong, they were dead. This was 30 years ago and then 99.9% of the wets were Mexican. Besides, these are Indians, they dont even speak Spanish. Their skins are often actually red unlike the American natives, and they stand out.
Unless you have something informed and intelligent to say can we move on.
I certainly wouldn’t kick her out!
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My remembrance of military service had little to nothing to do with the way "things really are." That was a long time ago for me but I suspect it has only become worse. Today's vet will have a nervous breakdown with nothing but a DD214, shopping list long enough to fill the basket, a wad of cash and a pocket full of coin with instructions to pay in exact change, then dumped off in the middle of a major supermarket and told to get it done by himself. Twenty-two and can't do anything without a support system and scared shitless in a grocery store. Chances are he doesn't know shit yet and what he will learn and "form an opinion" on will have little to nothing to do with his service if he has any common sense left like staying away from the VA when he doesn't need to be there. If that does happen he will be truly fucked like tasked with fixing the door and deciding to drill a hole in his leg for attention.
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Hi,
Anyone ever thought on why Israel has not "taken care" of Iran themselves, being they are the ones directly in harm's way, per say ???
Because sanctions make countries, companies and certain individuals lots of money.
Also would bring into question of Israel not "needing" the 4 billion + USD they get every year for defense aide "in case" Iran attacks them.
Sanctions are nothing more than a legal method of price gouging paired with some smoke and mirror routine.
Sincerely,
Theis
Anyone ever thought on why Israel has not "taken care" of Iran themselves, being they are the ones directly in harm's way, per say ???
Because sanctions make countries, companies and certain individuals lots of money.
Also would bring into question of Israel not "needing" the 4 billion + USD they get every year for defense aide "in case" Iran attacks them.
Sanctions are nothing more than a legal method of price gouging paired with some smoke and mirror routine.
Sincerely,
Theis
Razor's edge. Billions in bounty/plunder to be had on one side of the blade. Armageddon on the other side. Gee, globalists, thanks for dragging me/us into your nefarious plans.......
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Shit been happening in that region since WWII ended and some of you don't have a clue with stoopid statements and Dumas questions. Read a book. 
Shit been happening in that region since WWII ended and some of you don't have a clue with stoopid statements and Dumas questions. Read a book.
Go back further on the time frame.....
Our "allies"built this tasty shit sandwich as their domination of the word was falling apart and now they are playing hands off "Im totally innocent" as we walk up to the buffet.
the problem is we fed these fucking basterds in stead of starving them to death. Unicef will be our undoing.
"Trump has expressed frustration with Bolton, joking to him and other aides that 'we'd be in war everywhere if it was up to this guy,' according to a senior administration official who has heard the comments. Trump has often told advisers that he doesn't want to send a single additional troop anywhere.
He has allowed Bolton, who issued the initial White House statement announcing warships were on their way, to take the lead in threatening Tehran."
"In 1953, the CIA orchestrated the overthrow of an elected leftist government in Tehran, bolstering the U.S.-backed monarchy that itself was ousted in 1979 by Iran's current clerical rulers."
quotes: THE WASHINGTON POST - Saturday, May 18, 2019
He has allowed Bolton, who issued the initial White House statement announcing warships were on their way, to take the lead in threatening Tehran."
"In 1953, the CIA orchestrated the overthrow of an elected leftist government in Tehran, bolstering the U.S.-backed monarchy that itself was ousted in 1979 by Iran's current clerical rulers."
quotes: THE WASHINGTON POST - Saturday, May 18, 2019
And.....Do you have even the the vaguest idea as to why Mossadegh was overthrown by the CIA ?
(Hint; Oil was the number two reason. His leftist politics were number three. It will be very interesting to see if you have any clue as to reason number one).
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I'm all ears...
I wish I knew more about people making money off of sanctions.
On the other hand, it seems like sanctions still hurt because it constricts the supply of money and then they get gouged by companies which have exemptions.
I can see the political problem with that but it still seems like it can be an effective way to pressure a country we don't want to invade.
On the other hand, it seems like sanctions still hurt because it constricts the supply of money and then they get gouged by companies which have exemptions.
I can see the political problem with that but it still seems like it can be an effective way to pressure a country we don't want to invade.
its all economics and choices, and violent coercion, people playing that game usually end up not with us anymore.
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