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New RF bino from Vectronix!!! Vector X

Serious threat to anyone in the business, even for kestrel if Calypso stuff is good ( any clue, gents?) or Garmin would jump on the bandwagon and take by storm also the wind reading tool for shooting applications….after the chrono segment.
 
I'll post this here as well as the other thread.

I'm on the list to get one for testing. I expect these to be a 90% solution, but they will not replace the standard Vector 21 for those that need an XLR rangefinder system. Given that you need about 50% of the beam on target for a reliable range, at 2000m the beam will be 3.2m wide, meaning you need a target of 1.8M (5.9') wide. If you are looking for precise positions, the +/- 5 degrees will lead to a 175m potential error at 2000m. I don't see where the tripod mount uses brass screws and is amagnetic, so that won't help. Absent the Vectronix tripod, I've got to do some extensive modifications to the Manfrotto tripod systems I use to get good position data. I don't see that the display has a NV mode, which seems unfortunate. It i 905nm though, so if you tripod mount it and slave it to an observation device you can see the beam on target and have the data sent to a NV readable system.

These should be pretty much perfect for most long range shooters. You can range most shootable targets within 1500, get solutions with your preferred solver and do most spotting work with these. The price is outstanding for the capability.
 
Swarovorski will warranty their range finding binoculars for ever, Sig and Leica will as well...... as for Vectronix, I've got a PLRF 15 I'll send you to see if you can get them to repair it. Simple drop from my tripod broke the crystal loose and even though they service military units and parts available everywhere they won't repair it.... I'm willing to pay but their customer service is a joke.

Great products, fool me once shame on you.... fool me twice, shame on me!

CS for those were awful.

But I thought the Terrapin-X has stateside CS and support, unlike the older Vectronix units?
 
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I see these being the new norm in the competitive shooting market if the solver is relatively accurate. A little too cluttered for my taste for hunting, but I don't think that is what these are made for. Cool product for sure.
 
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CS for those were awful.

But I thought the Terrapin-X has stateside CS and support, unlike the older Vectronix units?
Through Eurooptic yes. Even tho this is technically Safran, Vectronix shooting solutions is supposed to be a different branch altogether. So they have their own thing going on afaik.
 
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It’ll be a lot nicer than the terrapin – X.

The one thing I like about the Sig 10K is that it pretty much ranges anything that I’m gonna shoot at, and even though the glass is a little bit blue, they’re pretty decent overall, and I have the solver.

Plus, they work directly with a kestrel, or a Garmin watch, etc.

So Vectronix is really adding all of that functionality, plus, ranging, rectangles, plus different high-end glass options…
 
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So is there any onboard atmospherics or does it have to use the Kestrel?
Yes there are.
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I'll post this here as well as the other thread.

I'm on the list to get one for testing. I expect these to be a 90% solution, but they will not replace the standard Vector 21 for those that need an XLR rangefinder system. Given that you need about 50% of the beam on target for a reliable range, at 2000m the beam will be 3.2m wide, meaning you need a target of 1.8M (5.9') wide. If you are looking for precise positions, the +/- 5 degrees will lead to a 175m potential error at 2000m. I don't see where the tripod mount uses brass screws and is amagnetic, so that won't help. Absent the Vectronix tripod, I've got to do some extensive modifications to the Manfrotto tripod systems I use to get good position data. I don't see that the display has a NV mode, which seems unfortunate. It i 905nm though, so if you tripod mount it and slave it to an observation device you can see the beam on target and have the data sent to a NV readable system.

These should be pretty much perfect for most long range shooters. You can range most shootable targets within 1500, get solutions with your preferred solver and do most spotting work with these. The price is outstanding for the capability.


I don’t think anyone on here is comparing a $2.9k LRF Bino to a Vector 21 that you sell for $10k.

I was looking at possibly getting back to the IV/ 21 mainly for the Bino factor. But I’ll wait and see what these are all about, first.

Maybe I’ll get lucky and have a pair for the NF ELR Match. See how they perform. I got a bunch of buddies in my squad with IV’s and 21’s
 
HUD looks amazing. Love my Leica's but hate their HUD.
^^^ This right here for sure, Zeiss, Swaro and Leica need to improve their display game. But now I don't care, if I can get Leica glass in the Vector X but with this brilliant LRF unit and well thought out HUD, this could finally persuade me... the extender option is icing on the cake!
 
Ordered 12x with range extenders and begrudgingly the DMR reticle. I want a less cluttered view like the MSR but want more mag than 12x. Would have loved a 15x bino.
I would think the extenders will also work with the MSR-SMR binocular, you just wouldn't have the adjusted reticle for when the extenders were used. Can anyone verify this?
 
I would think the extenders will also work with the MSR-SMR binocular, you just wouldn't have the adjusted reticle for when the extenders were used. Can anyone verify this?
That’s what my understanding from Euro Optic was. The extenders work on both, just the reticle for ranging/miling targets will be wrong without the adjusted reticle
 
I liked the look of the smr better for my use. Not so cluttered but the dmr isn’t terrible either. I went with the extenders and mount also.
 
I would think the extenders will also work with the MSR-SMR binocular, you just wouldn't have the adjusted reticle for when the extenders were used. Can anyone verify this?
Yeah they do, but I will likely never run them for my purpose without the extenders and it wouldn’t do me any good to only have a reticle that the subtensions weren’t correct in
 
Well, since Vectronix is in the thread......first suggestion:

Offer a single reticle choice that has correct sub tensions with the magnifiers. Obviously you can't make everyone happy. But I think there are going to be a lot of customers who will be using the magnifiers almost 100% of the time and would also like only one reticle/less clutter.

15x Swaro SLC are the gold standard for PRS spotting (and other similar things). So a 17x (12x with magnifier) bino with single reticle would be popular.
 
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Well, since Vectronix is in the thread......first suggestion:

Offer a single reticle choice that has correct sub tensions with the magnifiers. Obviously you can't make everyone happy. But I think there are going to be a lot of customers who will be using the magnifiers almost 100% of the time and would also like only one reticle/less clutter.

15x Swaro SLC are the gold standard for PRS spotting (and other similar things). So a 17x (12x with magnifier) bino with single reticle would be popular.
Yeah all of the PRS guys I’ve spoken to feel similarly. Would have loved a 15x base optic, the extender to 17 is a compromise, having a cluttered reticle on top of that, is another compromise, which starts to feel like a lot after dropping $3500+ on set of binos.
 
15x Swaro SLC are the gold standard for PRS spotting (and other similar things). So a 17x (12x with magnifier) bino with single reticle would be popular.
Do you think? A 2.5mm exit pupil would be fairly straining to spend extended amounts of time on for most people. Particularly in lower light conditions when our pupils dilate.
 
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Do you think? A 2.5mm exit pupil would be fairly straining to spend extended amounts of time on for most people. Particularly in lower light conditions when our pupils dilate.

I'm not educated enough on that side of things to have an opinion. I do know that many will attempt to use these as their primary/only means of spotting like they do with Swaro SLC.

If there's some technical details about these binos vs the Swaro that will make extended viewing straining, then yea, I'd agree that's going to be an issue.

I'll personally be getting the 12x with the magnifiers. But only because I prefer to have more magnification when ranging. I'll still be using something our BTX as the main spotter. Will likely mount these binos just above or above and off to side of BTX and use them for finding targets/milling for wind....and using the BTX for actual spotting. Actually, the more I think about it, the more I will use these at the 12x a decent amount too.
 
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I called myself reading the entire thread and their factory spec sheets but can't find anything on my question...
Will screwing the Range Extenders on to the front degrade the LRF sensitivity?

Aren't these units generating as well as receiving through the lens? It would seem that adding another lens pack in front would carry a performance penalty. Is this a valid assumption?

@Glassaholic , @BigJimFish ?

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I'm not educated enough on that side of things to have an opinion. I do know that many will attempt to use these as their primary/only means of spotting like they do with Swaro SLC.

If there's some technical details about these binos vs the Swaro that will make extended viewing straining, then yea, I'd agree that's going to be an issue.

I'll personally be getting the 12x with the magnifiers. But only because I prefer to have more magnification when ranging. I'll still be using something our BTX as the main spotter. Will likely mount these binos just above or above and off to side of BTX and use them for finding targets/milling for wind....and using the BTX for actual spotting. Actually, the more I think about it, the more I will use these at the 12x a decent amount too.
Obviously people vary, but manufacturers tend to target ~4mm exit pupil to fit most folks. Younger people have smaller pupils, older people have larger pupils, and all our pupils dilate in lowlight conditions. It’s why you see most 10’s have a 42mm objective or larger, 12’s having a 50mm objective or larger, and most people won’t go higher than 15x with a 56mm objective, etc.

I think 12x42 with a 1.4 magnifier will be fine for limited number of people in limited conditions. But if this is your primary means to glass, and that means in challenging lighting conditions and/or extended periods of time, I don’t think they’d be very popular.

I’ve moved away from a spotter, and I’ll only use lrf Binos as my primary. I’m in for the 10x42 with the single mag reticle. I might get the extenders for limited use, and if so, I’d just do the basic arithmetic if I really needed to mil something with the extenders on. At least for me, that would be a very rare circumstance.
 
Obviously people vary, but manufacturers tend to target ~4mm exit pupil to fit most folks. Younger people have smaller pupils, older people have larger pupils, and all our pupils dilate in lowlight conditions. It’s why you see most 10’s have a 42mm objective or larger, 12’s having a 50mm objective or larger, and most people won’t go higher than 15x with a 56mm objective, etc.

I think 12x42 with a 1.4 magnifier will be fine for limited number of people in limited conditions. But if this is your primary means to glass, and that means in challenging lighting conditions and/or extended periods of time, I don’t think they’d be very popular.

I’ve moved away from a spotter, and I’ll only use lrf Binos as my primary. I’m in for the 10x42 with the single mag reticle. I might get the extenders for limited use, and if so, I’d just do the basic arithmetic if I really needed to mil something with the extenders on. At least for me, that would be a very rare circumstance.

Interesting. Thanks for the explanation.

I spend a lot of time in a Swaro BTX and SLC 15x. The BTX has Exit Pupil of 2.2, 2.9, 2.7, and 3.1 depending which objective you use. The SLC is 3.5mm I believe.

As I get older, I am finding them to be a bit more tiring than I remember. Just assumed it was older eyes (which I'm sure part of it is). But this is definitely good info to look into and compare to something with a 4mm or more feels like.