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Rifle Scopes New S&B 10-60x
- Thread starter Dogtown
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I'm fairly certain S&B is just fucking with us now. Can't wait for next year's 16-96x56mm rather than something practical like a 3-18x42PMII (that's not a $4k 2nd FP hunting scope with a fucking #7 reticle)
I was trying to formulate something to say, but you’ve pretty well covered it.
I'm fairly certain S&B is just fucking with us now. Can't wait for next year's 16-96x56mm rather than something practical like a 3-18x42PMII (that's not a $4k 2nd FP hunting scope with a fucking #7 reticle)
I run my NF 7-35 to about 25X for most applications for the reasons you mention but no idea what the eye box will look like on this one. You may be right though.
The Schmidt 5-45 eye box is pretty nice even at 40X but hate the barnacle
5-25's running north of $5k for certain models
Ultra Short 3-20's running up into the $6k's
Yeah...why anyone wouldn't TT or ZCO it up at that point with that bullshit pricing is beyond me.
I'd be shocked if that 10-60 didn't msrp with a "9" out front...if not the full 5-figure treatment.
That’s funny. I’ve heard it referred to as a tumor but not a “barnacle.”
S&B already has:
6-36
5-45
12-50
This seems like not much of an improvement over the 12-50, I mean on that one at 50x all you really have is the center + of the crosshair so I don't expect 60x to be any better.
6-36
5-45
12-50
This seems like not much of an improvement over the 12-50, I mean on that one at 50x all you really have is the center + of the crosshair so I don't expect 60x to be any better.
A 3-18x50 mid power compact scope would be ideal. I couldn't imagine the market being too big for a 60x scope.
6-36 - I already have a 7-35 NF...nothing special
5-45 - Barnacle which sucks and limited reticle and turret choices last I looked
12-50 - Non illuminated reticle and a shitty reticle to boot
YMMV
You know about this one?
www.schmidtundbender.de
Ok, not a PMII and reticles only for hunting.
3-18x42
Ups, da ist was schief gegangen!
www.schmidtundbender.de
Ok, not a PMII and reticles only for hunting.
Here's what I'd comment.
On the 12-50, a fancy reticle is kind of pointless if you actually intend to use it at 40-50x
The P4FL works very well for target shooting which is what that scope was intended to be used for.
The glass quality on it is very nice.
When you are pushing out to 1k and beyond in target shooting, having 0.025 mil adjustments can be pretty useful.
I'm not sure the weight and size of the proposed 10-60 is going to suit the gamer types that want fancy reticles.
Even at 45x the FOV is small enough that you really have to be static target shooting to be able to use it easily.
It would seem the 7-35 or 8-40 is kind of about the upper limits of useability for FFP scopes with fancy reticles.
Valid points but consider...
Not many people use their scope at either extreme. The difference between a 35-45 power scope is not all that great. I have tried the 5-45 and I really don't think it it is as good at its upper range. Same can be said about my NF. What I would be interested to see is if this scope is really useable at 45X in terms of clarity. 60X with a 56mm objective may be a bit much and the resulting image may be a bit dark and resolution/clarity may drop.
The P4L is not that great IMHO. Lots of people like it because it is "uncluttered". Personally, I have no use for it. I am not a fan of HORUS type stuff but there is a happy medium. This new reticle looks like it may fit the bill but until you see it, you can never tell
FOV when shooting F-Class is not an issue. I don't think this will be adopted by the PRS community for the reasons you mentioned. Its size and weight isn't much different from the ZCO 8-40.
Just pre ordered the S&B 6-36, it wasn't 6-7K!
Thats what i ordered the P5FL reticle w 1/2 cm MT II MTC LT / DT II
Love it ... No accidental paralax grab at 2am under nvg
I switch scopes around on my rifles all the time. If the reticle is usable on 6x it may go on a LR hunting rifle. If not it may get zeroed for a AI barrel.
Deposit under contractYou will see that in q4 of next year with another price increase
... i better not see a price increase.Figured i won't see a TT 7-35 Jtac till early next year.
I am thinking about getting one for 50BMG 1000 yard matches, waiting to see what people think of the parallax adjustments. On one of the fliers they say it is available with other reticles,....whatever that means...I doubt that matter to me.
I like that it is MIL and .05 turrets If there are no reported parralax issues then I am in.
I like that it is MIL and .05 turrets
If there are no reported parralax issues then I am in.
Got mine so far I am really happy with it. But can't really report on it until after I shoot it in match....will try to write a little about it in June.
Got mine a while back, not yet mounted it.
It is a big scope for sure. Like the looks of the M1FL reticle.
It is a big scope for sure. Like the looks of the M1FL reticle.
How is the glass compared to the 6-36?
VERY interested in the 10-60!!
Have not yet had a chance to get it out and compare the two, but first impressions are good.
I do notice quite a bit of «half mooning»(vignetting?!) in the FOV when at the outer adjustment area of elevation, but I guess that is the price to pay for such high magnification(?). Took a couple of bad iphone pictures to try to capture it, one picture is with turrett at 0 and the other at max 23,5.
Are they available down there yet?
Available here shortly.
Years ago i used to run the old S&B 12x50 x56 PM2 on an AWSM 338...loved the scope but it had very very limited elev/wind travel.
The new 10-60 is VERY appealing to me. The 6-36,s i currently run are fantastic , but the 10-60 is one i think i will try..
Both yes and no. Taking it to the range tomorrow, will try to write up some thoughts afterwards.
But if you like the 6-36 and the specs of the 10-60 suits your needs, then I do not think it will be a step in the wrong direction.
Thanks..
There are a couple available here in Aus, but i cant compare directly to my 6-36 at this point so very curious as to your opinion.
How did you go ?
Sorry for the lack of response here..
I ended up having to cut my range trip short, and did unfortunately not get the time to even zero the rifle.
For what it is worth, my thoughts after spending some time with the 6-36 and 10-60 side by side on a tripod:
• First impression is that the optical clarity/image quality reminds me alot of the 6-36, to me they are very similar.
• Eyebox is more forgiving on the 6-36, but the 10-60 is not bad.
• Parallax is easy to adjust, no issues getting a crisp and clear parallax free image at distance.
• As to be expected, conditions play a huge role in how useful the top end of the magnification range is on the 10-60.
• FOV is very similar between the 6-36 and the 10-60, at 20x the 10-60 showed right around 11mils in the reticle and the 6-36 closer to 12(will double check numbers).
• Elevation travel is not really comparable between the two, 23,5 mil vs 39mil.
• The parallax adjustment is noticeably softer/easier to turn on the new 10-60 than on my other 2 LPI scopes that has a (too) stiff parallax wheel.
Other than this, it is a S&B, and I like S&B.
This is just my initial thoughts, kind of hesitant to make any recommendations based on my limited time with the scope. You are no doubt more experienced in the world of optics than me, hence might have a more analytic approach to judging performance. If you end up getting a 10-60 im curious what you think of it.
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I shot an FCSA 1000yd match last week with mine. I can not compare it with a 6-36...but I agree with the of the points JER6.5 made.
Parallax is easy to adjust
Image is clear and great...but I can not really compare it to anything...my other scopes have much larger objectives.
The reticle is fine for this style of shooting
Not unique to the scope, but to use 60x you need some dry cool air I ran the scope at maybe 35-45 in the morning and as things warmed up backed it way off due to mirage. (not the scopes fault)
I really enjoyed the .05MIL clicks!
I am pretty sure it is the only .05MIL FFP scope on the market...they designed it for F-class and bench rest style shooting. It worked GREAT for that for me.
Parallax is easy to adjust
Image is clear and great...but I can not really compare it to anything...my other scopes have much larger objectives.
The reticle is fine for this style of shooting
Not unique to the scope, but to use 60x you need some dry cool air I ran the scope at maybe 35-45 in the morning and as things warmed up backed it way off due to mirage. (not the scopes fault)
I really enjoyed the .05MIL clicks!
I am pretty sure it is the only .05MIL FFP scope on the market...they designed it for F-class and bench rest style shooting. It worked GREAT for that for me.
The 12-50x56 had 0.025 mil turrents available, essentially 4 clicks to every 0.1 mil that folks normally have on a scope.
