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Is Trump being set up by the senate?

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    I have a sneaking feeling that this upcoming trial wont go they way Trump is thinking. I was reading that the senate wants to use witness reciprocity. So the senate will give in to the house demands for more witnesses, in order for them to provide their own witnesses.

    Why would the senate need to entertain any demands at all from the house? The senate can call on witnesses as it sees fit right? I sense some undermining and deals being made by Rino's and politicians just being typical politicians.
     
    This too is playing out in the back of my mind.

    I would rather see no witnesses allowed. The house had the chance to put all the witnesses they wanted on record before they voted to impeach. If the house wants to add more the make another case to send to the senate.

    Don’t allow them a second bite at the Apple.

    THEY chose to rush it through in a half ass manor so let them live with the consequences!
     
    Lots of opportunity for both enemies of the Republic.

    Rhinos get to wound Trump and try to regain the party he now owns.

    Dems get to fuck Bernie again and put in a readily controllable Biden.

    Both sides are piling powder next to the fire.
     
    I think that if a certain half of the country were to get the impression that the Senate trial were the end of a long game con job, things would get very ugly, very quickly. Isn't this an interesting time in which to live?
     
    I don't Trust any of them to be sure. Chief Justice Roberts especially concerns me. One thing is pretty absolute in my mind, remove Trump and the deplorable reaction will be volcanic. Not Mt St. Helens volcanic, more like Yellowstone caldera super volcanic.

    Rudy floated something interesting recently. Since there is no crime, Trumps lawyers could ask Roberts to dismiss on that basis. This would actually be the best result for both sides. Even though the Dems would cry, they know it's better than Hunter, Schiff or Chalupa on the stand.

    If Schiff is one of the prosecutors I expect a motion to remove him on the basis he is a fact witness.

    But who really knows where the game goes from here? It's anybody's guess.
     
    I don't Trust any of them to be sure. Chief Justice Roberts especially concerns me. One thing is pretty absolute in my mind, remove Trump and the deplorable reaction will be volcanic. Not Mt St. Helens volcanic, more like Yellowstone caldera super volcanic.

    Rudy floated something interesting recently. Since there is no crime, Trumps lawyers could ask Roberts to dismiss on that basis. This would actually be the best result for both sides. Even though the Dems would cry, they know it's better than Hunter, Schiff or Chalupa on the stand.

    If Schiff is one of the prosecutors I expect a motion to remove him on the basis he is a fact witness.

    But who really knows where the game goes from here? It's anybody's guess.

    no one in the mainstream wants to talk about Chalupa's hand in everything since Trump was elected. They need to bring her out in public and drill her down. Shes pretty key to all the conspiracy that the Dems engaged in with Ukraine and Russia.
     
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    Rigging an election for Creepy Joe?
    Sanders, Pocahontas, Klobashit will be stuck in DC sitting in the chamber with their hands tied, no phones or any electronic media allowed. While they are sitting there Joe Biden will be campaigning in Iowa and New Hampshire.
     
    I think that if a certain half of the country were to get the impression that the Senate trial were the end of a long game con job, things would get very ugly, very quickly. Isn't this an interesting time in which to live?
    Isn't that a Chinese curse or something?
    "may you live in interesting times"
     
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    Trump should pull the Nuclear Option, tell Pelosi he's calling in his 66 million deplorables to service. Meet us at the local battlefields around the Nation, Troops and LE's will be the referees.
     
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    i don't see how any witnesses help the dems.
    on the other hand, the bidens will sink the democrats if the truth come out about money laundering.
     
    This is the first time since the 80's with Carter that an incumbent will have opposition from their own party in the Caucasus. Politics as usual is tired of Trump not playing ball.
     
    So the house voted to impeach, and they did just that. Lets say it goes to the senate (If pelosi submits it) and for any reason it fails in the senate. Is Trump still impeached? The senate acts as the court of this 2-part process right?

    I still think Trump is being set up by the senate as well.
     
    Yesterday Chris Wray apologizes to FISA court for violating Carter Pages rights.

    All the "evidence" is fruit of the poisonous tree.

    Wasn't MSM reporting that last night?
     
    This is the first time since the 80's with Carter that an incumbent will have opposition from their own party in the Caucasus. Politics as usual is tired of Trump not playing ball.

    They're definitely not going to Balkan at the chance.

    Ah, the curse that is autospell.
     
    I was reading that the senate wants to use witness reciprocity.

    I didnt read that it was giving in to the House demands. It came from Ted Cruze, who I dont believe is a RINO or a Never Trumper. I dont know what his play is, but I am guessing its something like this:

    Dems: we want to call John Bolton
    Repubs: OK, but we want to call Joe Biden
    Dems: we retract calling John Bolton

    and so on and so forth until there are no witnesses to call...

    For every shit bird witness that likely has nothing on Trump except hearsay, the Repubs have 15-20+ witnesses that blow up the democrat party unless said witnesses purger themselves or are charged and arrested on contempt of Congress for not showing up to a subpoena...

    It also, as was already mentioned, keeps several people who are campaigning locked into the Senate chambers for who knows how long...
     
    It's so the mud slinging can continue, and drag the trial out, and bring the Dems down in the public opinion. Kabuki theater...

    Ratings meltdown/bonanza in 3, 2, 1....
    Dems are stupid though. All the candidates could kill a busload of kids and they would still vote for them. I would suggest this gets nipped in the bud...and fast.
     
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    Two things;

    1. IIRC, along with all the dimwits that are going to vote to convict, it would take 20 or so Republican Senators crossing the aisle to convict. Murkowsky, Romney et al aren't dependable and may vote to convict, but I don't see 20 Republicans crossing the aisle.

    2. I want the whole fucking fiasco to be held out in the parking lot of the nearest Walmart where everyone can see all the bullshit that has been going on with both sides. Get everything and I mean everything out in the open so that none of these cockroaches can hide from it.

    (Who am I kidding.............:rolleyes:)
     
    Pelosi just named Schiff to the prosecutor team. Big mistake. I thought she was supposed to be smart? Senate is going to push for his recusal and then subpoena him to testify. Make it a complete shitshow. Dems have opened a box they aren't able to close since the the Senate Republicans can rip the top off.
     
    Cruze’s ploy is to make it as uncertain and volatile for the Commies as it is for the Dumb-Asses. However demanding that Schiff, the Bidens, and “The Whistleblower” testify may work. They may rather loose than have their dirty pool exposed.
     
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    she is dirty, and i think they were on to her for a while.
    she lied in her testimony and should be arrested.
     
    If Trump is not removed from office., Then it has all been done to soil Trump, or delay something unknown. Intelligent people know what political suicide looks like. The Dems act like idiots, but they are not. So Why the animus against Trump since the start? What we are seeing is not logically equatable. It makes no sense.

    It would seem to me there is something more than Durham boiling in the background.
     
    I believe that during her testimony to the House Impeachment shit show she admitted to telling the Ukraine officials that Trump's policies differed from the her/State Dept policy and to ignore him. She was acting contrary to what Trump wanted and she should have been shit canned the day he took office.
    Most of the deep state remain because Trump has gotten little help from the repukian party. The swamp is very deep. Her position was confirmed by the likes of McLame, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan and many other RINO'S.
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    she is dirty, and i think they were on to her for a while.
    she lied in her testimony and should be arrested.
     
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    If Trump is not removed from office., Then it has all been done to soil Trump, or delay something unknown. Intelligent people know what political suicide looks like. The Dems act like idiots, but they are not. So Why the animus against Trump since the start? What we are seeing is not logically equatable. It makes no sense.

    It would seem to me there is something more than Durham boiling in the background.

    I'll believe it (and be overjoyed if it happens) when I see it..........
     
    If Trump is not removed from office., Then it has all been done to soil Trump, or delay something unknown. Intelligent people know what political suicide looks like. The Dems act like idiots, but they are not. So Why the animus against Trump since the start? What we are seeing is not logically equatable. It makes no sense.

    It would seem to me there is something more than Durham boiling in the background.
    Payback for Clinton's impeachment? They figured that they had many RINO'S and anti Trumpers that don't give a shit what happens to Trump since he's not really "one of them". He's an outsider causing problems by exposing their bullshit to the sunlight.
    Why else would the alphabet agencies be involved in trying to take him out since the inauguration?
     
    I believe that during her testimony to the House Impeachment shit show she admitted to telling the Ukraine officials that Trump's policies differed from the her/State Dept policy and to ignore him. She was acting contrary to what Trump wanted and she should have been shit canned the day he took office.
    Most of the deep state remain because Trump has gotten little help from the repukian party. The swamp is very deep. Her position was confirmed by the likes of McLame, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan and many other RINO'S.
    This is my assessment as well. Under questioning Jim Jordan asked her if she said anything to the Ukrainian pols openly MFing Trump. She didn’t. My guess is that she gleefully joined in and encouraged it like a fuktard rather than a professional diplomat.
     
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    I believe that during her testimony to the House Impeachment shit show she admitted to telling the Ukraine officials that Trump's policies differed from the her/State Dept policy and to ignore him. She was acting contrary to what Trump wanted and she should have been shit canned the day he took office.
    Most of the deep state remain because Trump has gotten little help from the repukian party. The swamp is very deep. Her position was confirmed by the likes of McLame, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan and many other RINO'S.
    she also claimed that Ukrainian prosecutors never requested travel to the US to work with the DOJ on corruption tied to burisma and other companies laundering money (tax payer monies) into the US (some of it to the Bidens).
    the Ukranians gave Rudy a copy of the official request that yovanovich claimed was never submitted.
     
    Lisa Murkowski, Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, and Corey Gardener are positioning themselves to have some kind of "objective vote" meaning they wont vote to dismiss this bullshit out of hand. They also will be the RINO's to vote for witnesses, etc.

    Watch and wait.
     
    I don't Trust any of them to be sure. Chief Justice Roberts especially concerns me. One thing is pretty absolute in my mind, remove Trump and the deplorable reaction will be volcanic. Not Mt St. Helens volcanic, more like Yellowstone caldera super volcanic.

    Rudy floated something interesting recently. Since there is no crime, Trumps lawyers could ask Roberts to dismiss on that basis. This would actually be the best result for both sides. Even though the Dems would cry, they know it's better than Hunter, Schiff or Chalupa on the stand.

    If Schiff is one of the prosecutors I expect a motion to remove him on the basis he is a fact witness.

    But who really knows where the game goes from here? It's anybody's guess.

    I predict, that in the case Trump is actually removed, which won’t happen, but if it does then nobody will do anything. Why would they? Nobody has done shit so far in this embarrassing debacle! The lawless at the head of the nation remain lawless. Nobody is doing any real time or punishment for anything so yeah I think they will continue this charade until they get what they want and the only thing that will happen will be more bitching on the internet about it. I don’t know how much more evidence of wrongdoing people need to do what needs to be done!
     
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    Just more smear campaign (sp) before elections for the sheeple and even more importantly more fishing in hopes of purgering (sp) which is and has been their only real evidence they could hope for. They are furious DJT hasn't defended himself and possibly want a means to call him in. Their only slim chance on anything sticking.


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    This is my assessment as well. Under questioning Jim Jordan asked her if she said anything to the Ukrainian pols openly MFing Trump. She didn’t. My guess is that she gleefully joined in and encouraged it like a fuktard rather than a professional diplomat.

    Just like ol LTC Vindman did in his duty by telling the Russians Obama was awesome and conservatives are trash and then was reprimanded for such partisanship.
     
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    They're definitely not going to Balkan at the chance.

    Ah, the curse that is autospell.
    Yeah, I'm gonna leave it though because y'all know what I intended to say, and that setup was perfect.?
     
    Payback for Clinton's impeachment? They figured that they had many RINO'S and anti Trumpers that don't give a shit what happens to Trump since he's not really "one of them". He's an outsider causing problems by exposing their bullshit to the sunlight.
    Why else would the alphabet agencies be involved in trying to take him out since the inauguration?

    Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987 and since that time has changed his party affiliation five times. In 1999, Trump changed his party affiliation to the Independence Party of New York. In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic. In September 2009, Trump changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party. In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent). In April 2012, Trump again returned to the Republican Party.[3]
    In a 2004 interview, Trump told CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat," explaining: "It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn't be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats...But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we've had some pretty bad disaster under the Republicans."[4] In a July 2015 interview, Trump said that he has a broad range of political positions and that "I identify with some things as a Democrat."


    Perhaps his lack of allegiance concerns them.
     
    Yeah, I'm gonna leave it though because y'all know what I intended to say, and that setup was perfect.?

    "With the turban, 6' 9", he rolls off the pick, drives the lane, draws the foul, and scores!"

     
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    I think the Republicans are just as likely to fuck him over as the communists. The real game here is establishing the rules for who gets to be in power. Trump violated the rules by not being a sneaky, corrupt, piece of shit lawyer who caters to millionaires and companies willing to pay bribes.

    That being said, if the ruin him it lets all the other billionaires know who is in charge here. They do not give a flying crap if they ruin lives, destroy retirements, bankrupt millions of working Americans or any thing like that. In that respect they are just like the communists. Their goal is power and a defenseless, unarmed population of subjects utterly dependent on welfare and government hand outs for their lives.

    Republicans have just as much to fear from an affluent population of armed citizens as the commies. People who do not need their local party boss to survive can replace the party boss at any time and they are working to insure they have lifetime appointments that they can pass on to the children or wives when they die. How many times have you seen an old geezer leftist marry a 35y/o hooker and when he "retires" the hooker gets his seat in congress? Lots and lots...................... Republicans are working the same way 90% of the time.

    On a lighter note, Trump is actually a 1980's Democrat. He is moderate on most positions, mildly pro-gun, mostly pro-choice and knows unions are here to stay. In the last 20 years, communists and other violent leftists have taken control of the Democrats and Republicans have let extreme conservatives set their positions on unions and abortion and other social issues. Both sides are now in intractable positions making anything useful damned near impossible. Trump is the answer, a guy willing to work with anyone to get the deal done and a guy who wants a good deal only. Just my opinion of course.
     
    IMO the democrats have no choice but to "energize" a pretty divided voter base on top of a relatively shitty potential candidate list. Try to discredit Trump as much as possible and get/sway those independent, women, minority and undecided swing votes.

    As for the Senate trying to set Trump up? Nah. Some might be because they are in more "blue" areas and it is a matter of political survival. But democrats no matter the witnesses will not get the votes needed to remove Trump from office.

    I reserve the right to be wrong :)
     
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    I predict, that in the case Trump is actually removed, which won’t happen, but if it does then nobody will do anything. Why would they? Nobody has done shit so far in this embarrassing debacle! The lawless at the head of the nation remain lawless. Nobody is doing any real time or punishment for anything so yeah I think they will continue this charade until they get what they want and the only thing that will happen will be more bitching on the internet about it. I don’t know how much more evidence of wrongdoing people need to do what needs to be done!
    People are peaceful until they lose all hope. If Trump is viewed as the last hope? His demise at the hands of the system creates a dangerous situation. Only future events can answer that question.
     
    Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987 and since that time has changed his party affiliation five times. In 1999, Trump changed his party affiliation to the Independence Party of New York. In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic. In September 2009, Trump changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party. In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent). In April 2012, Trump again returned to the Republican Party.[3]
    In a 2004 interview, Trump told CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat," explaining: "It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn't be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats...But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we've had some pretty bad disaster under the Republicans."[4] In a July 2015 interview, Trump said that he has a broad range of political positions and that "I identify with some things as a Democrat."


    Perhaps his lack of allegiance concerns them.
    Allegiance?!? To a party? First off, there are many in both parties that have changed parties like clothes when it suited their interests to do so.

    Second, and most important, if you are pledging your allegiance to a political party, then there’s a good chance that you’ve broken your pledge of allegiance to the United States if America. We do not need warring political factions, we need patriots dedicated to the survival of the Republic.

    Third, while it is necessary to choose sides in an election so that you vote for the best candidate for a position, if you are voting straight party ticket just because, “well, party loyalty of course”, then you are part of the problem, not part of any solution.

    There is no single party that has it all right and is worth the aligning of your soul or the future of the Republic.
     
    The role of the House is as that of a Grand Jury.

    They investigate, define where crime may be exist, and present articles of indictment. The evidence for the trial, of one occurs, must be evident in the presentation. Only if a trial is actually appropriate does anything proceed, and it is at this point where that trial can only proceed if the indictment and evidence presented meets the presiding justice's standard for trial. A clear and obvious crime must be evident.

    There is no vote necessary, just some guts residing in the seat of Justice John Roberts. What he does defines whether we live under the rule of law or the rule of personal opinion. I have very little faith in that man, but I would love to be proven incorrect.

    In this case it is not clear that any crime occurred; there are just accusations and vague definitions that conform only to the wild imaginations of delusional bigots.

    If there is to be a trial, no useful purpose can be served by parading alleged witnesses. Hearsay is not admissible in a Court of Law.

    Nothing need be proved by the Senate. The burden of that proof is on the House, and that proof must be contained in the indictment. And that has already been submitted, and is lacking of anything other than hearsay and innuendo.

    Some are saying that this all is very entertaining.

    No.

    This is despicable and tragic. It contains within itself the seed of a dying Republic, and a trammeled Constitution. This is the act of treason cloaked in sanctimonious hypocrisy.

    Someone should pay; many someones. Pay hard.

    Greg
     
    Somewhere AJ is watching this and hoping they remove Trump so it can be on like donkey kong.