JAE - Vertical Buttpad Adjustment mod?

^^^what kthomas said ^^^

There are things in the works and ideas that are brewing Keep an eye out for JAE announcements as we start to get more samples in!!

Josh

Emailed this idea to the fine folks at MDT during my Black Friday order, and to make it cant adjustable as well.

MDT_Josh said:

There are things in the works and ideas that are brewing Keep an eye out for JAE announcements as we start to get more samples in!!

Josh

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Retrofit the original JAE stocks?

Chief_Rick said:

Retrofit the original JAE stocks?

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That would be ideal.

Chief_Rick said:

Retrofit the original JAE stocks?

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This would be harder to do as there was zero provisions included for tool less adjustment, butt pad height and cant. Might be something we could look into for the future though!

Josh

I don’t care it isn’t toolless. I just need an adjustment for height and cant. My Berettas aren’t toolless. Set and forget.

If stuff isn’t compatible with OG chassis, then there’s not really much point.

Indeed MDT has said that they are modifying the JAE to make it more easily producible....but its not yet clear yet where this will impact the chassis. Josh did say that they were producing (going to produce, maybe) grip variations but sadly not backward compatible to the OG chassis. I imagine this may be the case for the butt pad.

Now, for me the J Allen was just a bit too long in the LOP. So, trash the OG pad (which really kind of sucked IMO anyway) and I had a 3/4" Kick-eeze ground to the butt profile and I love it.

As for adjustable pads, as @Tokay444 note, these are common on clay target shotguns and nobody gives a crap about toolless as they are most often set and that's that. But the "tool" is just an Allen wrench that goes through a hole in the butt pad. No big deal.

I really like the 100 straight adjustable pad hdwr and would consider seeing if I could have one ground to the J Allen's butt profile except that I would be again adding length which I just got done reducing. The 100 straight is only .290 thick so perhaps one day I will will put a 1/2" pad on the gun and this adjustable butt hdwr

But for those for whom the LOP is not a challenge, I'd bet a good stock smith could grind one of these to fit. Only fly in the ointment is the mounting screws. EVERY fucking shotgun (I think) is 3 1/8" hole pattern for butt pad but not J Allen. For the Kick-eeze pad we put on, we used one hole and had to drill a new one for the other.

As you can see in the pic below, this would be problematic with the 100straight as the mounting hole spacing is, again, 3 18" and there is a steel insert in the aluminum plate so just drilling another hole like we did with the butt pad doesn't look like it will work. Well, you machinists and gunsmiths could do this but its beyond my capability.

Just something to think about

@MDT_Josh - hi Josh, just have given this just a bit of further thought, I'm rather puzzled why chassis makers don't just add an already commercially available shotgun type adjustable butt pad to their chassis rather than all of the custom design of this feature into the product.

They don't come loose (and I say this having put well over 30K rounds through a K-80 without the pad ever budging).

Just a thought. All that is needed is a 3 1/8" butt pad hole pattern in the chassis to which to mount the adj hdwr.

Cheers

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@MDT_Josh - hi Josh, just have given this just a bit of further thought, I'm rather puzzled why chassis makers don't just add an already commercially available shotgun type adjustable butt pad to their chassis rather than all of the custom design of this feature into the product.

They don't come loose (and I say this having put well over 30K rounds through a K-80 without the pad ever budging).

Just a thought. All that is needed is a 3 1/8" butt pad hole pattern in the chassis to which to mount the adj hdwr.

Cheers

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Hey Baron,

I don't know the answer, but I just don't think that anyone has thought of doing this to be honest! I am not sure what the crossover between high end shotgun shooters and high end precision rifle shooters is, but I'd assume it's fairly low?

Also, my other concern would be the aesthetics of this buttpad and hardware that is obviously designed for shotgun stocks being adapted to something like the JAE chassis. Everything on that chassis has such a specific look and feel that bolting on an aftermarket add-on buttpad accessory would look fairly strange, and, whilst I am all for function over form, aesthetics are still a consideration.

Josh

Tokay444 said:

If stuff isn’t compatible with OG chassis, then there’s not really much point.

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Other than all future units that will be sold....

Winny94 said:

Other than all future units that will be sold....

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Part of what made the JAE-700 so desirable was the forethought that went into it, and how backwards compatible all the accessories were.

That was one of the few faults of the JAE.

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Part of what made the JAE-700 so desirable was the forethought that went into it, and how backwards compatible all the accessories were.

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That may or may not be true, but that has no bearing on the re-release MDT is planning, the success that variation will have, or the demand for a product like this those buyers will have. i.e., theres a lot of "point" in doing it.

There’s enough demand that if MDT doesn’t do it shortly, I’ll do it myself and take that part of the market.

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I am not sure what the crossover between high end shotgun shooters and high end precision rifle shooters is, but I'd assume it's fairly low?

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Probably so but that doesn't, to my mind, cast aspersions on the adjustable hardware used primarily by shotgunners.

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my other concern would be the aesthetics of this buttpad and hardware that is obviously designed for shotgun stocks

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Well, I don't know that its obviously designed for shotgun stocks and not just a matter of shotgunners being ahead of rifle shooters on configurable stocks to include butt pad and combs that can go up/down and like the KMW hardware also go left right. It seems, with my limited experience, that rifle shooters have discovered the benefit of a stock/chassis that adapts to you and not the other way around.

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Everything on that chassis has such a specific look and feel that bolting on an aftermarket add-on buttpad accessory would look fairly strange

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Its 3/8's of an inch (total) of metal plates....kind of like the JAE LOP spacers, right? So, I don't really see the difference. On shotguns, the plates get ground to fit the profile of the particular gun they are being installed on. With a chassis that has a fixed butt profile, they can all be ground (or made) the same. Right?

And compared to some of the god awful, Steam Punk, Rube Goldberg looking, adjustable butt hdwr on some chassis, this approach would be downright elegant.

This is my Kolar. This is NOT the 100 Straight hdwr but is a Nelson Adj Hdwr kit with significantly thicker plates. I favor the 100 Straight and of course the edges of the plates can be finished in whatever kind of anodizing or other finishes one would wish that is applicable to aluminum.



I won't belabor the point any further. As I said, I adapted how we grind a pad onto shotguns to reduce the LOP of my JAE and one day, if sufficiently motivated, I'll see if I can get a 100 Straight butt hdwr ground to my JAE butt profile. But, as said, I will then have to go to a 1/2" pad vice the 3/4" pad that I have ground to fit and that is on it now.

Take care and as always I very much appreciate MDT's engagement with their customer community on the Hide.

Cheers

Look at a really nice Grünig 22 if you can’t draw parallels to a shotgun.