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Modified Cases Are Dumb. Change my mind.

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Got to agree. For the cost of a cheap tap, it's very easy to make your own. The cost savings is worth it.
 
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What size tap do I need for the Hornady OAl tool for a 223 case ?
 
Wtf is this tool anyway? Some goofy way to find the lands? I’ve always done it as mentioned above. Seat a bullet long. Throw it in the chamber with the firing pin out of the bolt. Look for land marks on the bullet. Gradually seat deeper with an arbor press until the bolt drops with no resistence
 
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Modified cases are a waste, like mentioned above. Make a dummy round and strip your bolt. Find the point that the bolt drops on the dummy round. I do my CBTO with barrels off. To each his own.
 
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You guys are arguing over literally tens of dollars of cost savings lol. Even if you reload for 20 different cartridges, that’s 20x$15 = $300, and those will last a lifetime.

The practice ammo, match fee, gas, and match ammo for a 1-day club match exceeds that cost for most people, so why are people arguing over a $10 tool?

I use the modified cases because they’re easy and close enough. I’m jumping 0.020” at minimum, sometimes a lot more. Just because you can get it to within +/- 0.001” from the lands on a new barrel with your method and I’m only +/- 0.005” doesn’t mean anything because I bump it way back from there and test different depths. Then I don’t touch it as the throat erodes.

The other thing, I own my own reamer, so once I get a decent measurement I don’t really even need to measure it on subsequent barrels.
 
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Wheeler lands method. Don’t know why anyone would fuck around with all these gadgets when it is an absolute indicator. Never mind that you give five different people these tools and you will get five different sets of measurements.
 
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1moaoff said:
Modified case is easier and I have a case to compare all measurements over time. Why people can't make their own cases is beyond me.
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I use the Sinclair OAL tool. I can't think how something could be easier to use. I keep a reference case of each caliber for use with the tool.

The only modification I need to do (and it's really only necessary on large rifle primer cases) is to press in a dead primer in the pocket.
 
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MinnesotaMulisha said:
Time after time, people are congregating around this idea they need to use the Hornady OAL tool and then struggle to find a modified case.
Why is nobody using the Sinclair overall length tool?
It’s a one time purchase and will work with any caliber out there.
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Stupid question alert ... How does this Sinclair tool replace a modified case that tells you distance to the lands? This measures chamber size to tell you how long your case should be ... not bullet seating depth. What am I missing here?
 
MinnesotaMulisha said:
Time after time, people are congregating around this idea they need to use the Hornady OAL tool and then struggle to find a modified case.
Why is nobody using the Sinclair overall length tool?
It’s a one time purchase and will work with any caliber out there.
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So how many delrin action guides do you own?

"The tool consists of a Delrin™ bolt guide, a measuring rod and two stops that have two different diameters of equal length"

Sinclair used to make about 12 different ones for different actions, several of them are no longer available.
 
rustyinbend said:
Stupid question alert ... How does this Sinclair tool replace a modified case that tells you distance to the lands? This measures chamber size to tell you how long your case should be ... not bullet seating depth. What am I missing here?
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Sinclair makes two length tools; Sinclair Chamber Length Gauge and Sinclair Bullet Seating Depth Tool.
 
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tsu45 said:
Wheeler lands method. Don’t know why anyone would fuck around with all these gadgets when it is an absolute indicator. Never mind that you give five different people these tools and you will get five different sets of measurements.
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I am asking sincerely here, if you are not jamming a set amount, or touching the lands on every shot, why is the absolute number that important?
 
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rustyinbend said:
Stupid question alert ... How does this Sinclair tool replace a modified case that tells you distance to the lands? This measures chamber size to tell you how long your case should be ... not bullet seating depth. What am I missing here?
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The Sinclair tool is pretty similar to the Hornady OAL tool except instead of using modified cases, you just use you're own fireformed case. No alterations are needed. You can still load the case afterwards. They both work in nearly the same way; one required you to either buy the modified case, or modify your own, the other you just use a fired piece of brass.

I think they're both just about as accurate. Both are more expensive than the Wheeler method. They're quite literally the same thing with a slight variation on how you get to the final end measurement.

Honestly, for most of my rifles that standard action guide works just fine (outside of for AR's).
 
More than one way to skin a cat.

Measure with micrometer, mark with a crayon and cut with axe.
Plenty of error / tolerance stack in every method.

Find the method that makes it best between your ears, gives you desired performance and carry on.
 
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Maxduty said:
I even bought the tap to use on a case fired from that rifle.
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Where do you get a 5/16 x 36 tap?

Not every cartridge is for a bolt gun.

Not every bullet can be loaded to magazine length. The tangent ogive is a good example.
 
ChristianSilver said:
Modified cases are a waste, like mentioned above. Make a dummy round and strip your bolt. Find the point that the bolt drops on the dummy round. I do my CBTO with barrels off. To each his own.
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I like to do the barrel off method when I can.

Second choice is the modified case.

Third is stripped bolt method.

All three work very well.

What doesn't work is ham-fisted gorillas that don't understand HOW TO PROPERLY USE the Hornady/Stoney Point tool
 
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Mike Casselton said:
I like to do the barrel off method when I can.

Second choice is the modified case.

Third is stripped bolt method.

All three work very well.

What doesn't work is ham-fisted gorillas that don't understand HOW TO PROPERLY USE the Hornady/Stoney Point tool
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Hello

I did better the 2nd time though!

Sincerely,
HFG
 
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Why anyone doesnt use this method makes zero sense to me. But different strokes for different folks - we all over complicate this hobby to some degree.

 
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Steel head said:
Stupid question alert ... How does this Sinclair tool replace a modified case that tells you distance to the lands? This measures chamber size to tell you how long your case should be ... not bullet seating depth. What am I missing here?
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Using a fired case with a bullet will also tell you your CBTO.

 
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jinxx4ever said:
thing is, your still limited by the COAL of your magazine
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I LOL every time someone brings this OAL stuff up and then they answer that they need ammo to fit in the magazine.

That's how you can tell who thinks things through and who just plays monkey see monkey do.
 
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B y r o n said:
So how many delrin action guides do you own?

"The tool consists of a Delrin™ bolt guide, a measuring rod and two stops that have two different diameters of equal length"

Sinclair used to make about 12 different ones for different actions, several of them are no longer available.
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I own two. And both were provided with the tool.
One for bolt guns and one for ARs.
 
308pirate said:
I LOL every time someone brings this OAL stuff up and then they answer that they need ammo to fit in the magazine.

That's how you can tell who thinks things through and who just plays monkey see monkey do.
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i'd appreciate ur explanation on fitting a 3" cartridge in a 2" magazine.
 
308pirate said:
Went right over your head............
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i guess it did, i'm new to loading for the long range, but i have to say, watching and listening to video's from Eric Cortina , (seems to be a pretty good shooter) i've learned ton of "valueable" information and following his advice on chasing lands, i've dramatically improved my groups due to his advice on this subject and i'm learning how to get the most accuracy out of my gun. Do u have any video's out explaining your expertice on this subject? i'd like to watch them
 
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jinxx4ever said:
i guess it did, i'm new to loading for the long range, but i have to say, watching and listening to video's from Eric Cortina , (seems to be a pretty good shooter) i've learned ton of "valueable" information and following his advice on chasing lands, i've dramatically improved my groups due to his advice on this subject and i'm learning how to get the most accuracy out of my gun. Do u have any video's out explaining your expertice on this subject? i'd like to watch them
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I don't need to prove to you anything. If you need to fit ammo in the magazine, worrying about chasing the lands is pointless.

That should be self evident to anyone
 
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