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Primers on GB insane !

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I see on GB primers are going for $200 plus for 1k

Are people really paying that much for them ?

And how are these guys shipping the hazmat ?

hell I’ll sell 10k small rifle for $150 per 1k if I could find someone local in MN

I guess I’ve been hiding in my reloading room too long
 
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I’ve personally paid between 115-130 / 1000 primers. I’ve also bought gas at $5 / gal. Sometimes it is what it is. I’m just happy because I get to shoot for a lot longer than I would’ve and then some. By the time they’re gone prices and availability should be normal and it’ll matter less.
 
799 for 5-1000k cci srp
 

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i walked into sportsman about a month ago and found fed 215 primers. i didnt think about it then.
 
We can be like the local drug dealer and sell dime bags of 10 primers for $100
 
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I have these once fired primers for sale in the dime bag format. They are clean no seeds or anvils. Feel free to check my feedback. You can also ask around about Spindrift ( dat’s my skreet name )that slings primers on the corner of MLK Blvd and 5th street.
 

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I'm still wondering how these people ship the primers. If it's unlabeled boxes without the proper certs, not good. There is no legal way to ship primers as a non-manufacturer/distributor/etc.
 
I'm still wondering how these people ship the primers. If it's unlabeled boxes without the proper certs, not good. There is no legal way to ship primers as a non-manufacturer/distributor/etc.
At $400 for 1000 primers I’m sure they’ll pay the $25 hazmat. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
 
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This is gouging prices and I really wish people wouldn't be stupid enough to pay this. You just gotta be patient and the mfg. will make more. I usually order all my shit direct from mfg.'s (well, not loading supplies but you get what I mean) and they never gouge or jack up prices because they see this shit happen ALL the time.

So just a few months ago when people first started buying out bunches of shit because of the end of summer BLM Bash '20, I scored 10,000 milspec primer for around $30 per 1k.

So NO FUCKING WAY I'd pay $200 --ever. I'd try reloading primers first with match heads, etc., and if that didn't work I guess it'd be on to IED's.

Now that sounds like a killer deal for BMG primers though... I wanna say they're usually $200 per 500 but it's been a long time since I had to buy 'em. Primers, you buy when the getting is good. NOT when everyone is panic buying.

I just call these fuckers out though, I don't feel bad if I fuck up their sale. On here though I report 'em and let the ban cat handle it.
 
In 2016 about 2 months before the election.....when everyone thought Hillary was going to win. I sopped about $6K on powder, primers, and bullets. Told my wife....worse case scenario I have enough to shoot matches and stuff for the next few years and won’t have to spend any money. This last summer I was just getting to the end of that stash. Buckets and powder are still relatively easy to find and I got enough to get me through a good year of shooting. My local “dealer” as I call him is getting small amounts of primers in every couple of weeks. Last week he got about 20k in of various kinds. He won’t sell them by the thousand but will let you get 500 at a time which isn’t really bad considering what they’re going for. Fortunately I didn’t shoot a lot of handgun or 5.56 this last year and still have plenty of loaded ammo and a few thousand various. primers.
 
At $400 for 1000 primers I’m sure they’ll pay the $25 hazmat. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
There is no legal way to ship primers. You can't just pay hazmat. You need a very expensive certification and packaging must be done correctly. I wouldn't suggest breaking the law, losing your gun rights, to make $400.

Feel free to look it up: not possible, not legal.

There is a big reason primers and powder is shipped the way it is. Incorrect packaging can lead to disaster aboard common transport. Look up the value jet crash, as an example of incorrectly transported hazardous material.
 
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There is no legal way to ship primers. You can't just pay hazmat. You need a very expensive certification and packaging must be done correctly. I wouldn't suggest breaking the law, losing your gun rights, to make $400.

Feel free to look it up: not possible, not legal.

There is a big reason primers and powder is shipped the way it is. Incorrect packaging can lead to disaster aboard common transport. Look up the value jet crash, as an example of incorrectly transported hazardous material.

I was always wondering how guys were doing this. I've never looked into selling primers myself so I had no idea there was no legal way to ship them as an individual. Interesting.


Also ammo is getting just as bad. Ive been watching 20 round boxes of 30-30 sell on Gunbroker for $50+!!!
 
I have a few more primers than I need for the next few years so I looked into it and there is no way for most people to ship primers. It's not just a hazmat fee. The Department of Transportation (Federal Goverment) regulates the shipping of explosives. Primers are class 1.4 explosives (like cap-pistol caps and small fireworks). To ship them, certification is required, and obtaining that certification requires training as well as other bureaucratic requirements -- all on the shipper (you) not the carrier (UPS). It's totally impractical for an individual to meet the requirements. Businesses like Midway, Grafs, Midsouth, Powder Valley -- they can meet those requirements at some expense. They'd have to hire employees, have them trained, and get certified by meeting all the other requirements (stuff like having a 24/7 hotline for hazmat). To cover their cost of doing that, they are the ones that charge the "hazmat" fee -- not UPS. That's why they can charge different fees or no fee at all.

There is an exception for ammunition and primed brass. ORM-D. If I understand right, this exception will expire 12/31/2020. This allows cartridges to be shipped by non-certified people. Primers alone do not meet this exception.

Some people on Gunbroker are hazmat certified -- there are certainly businesses that deal in powders, primers, and amo and they get on GB. I suspect many of the individuals selling primers are shipping them as ORM-D via UPS as if they were loaded ammunition. This would not be lawful. Others may simply be shipping them undeclared, also illegally.

What else I learned about this. The US postal service won't ship explosives or ammunition of any kind period. Not all postal workers even know this. I had one tell me I just needed a hazmat label and that I could "google it" and print one out. Clueless.

If I understand right, FedEx won't ship it either.

UPS is the only carrier that I know will accept ammunition excepted under ORM-D. They should not accept primers from an uncertified shipper, but if they do, it's the shipper that is culpable for violating federal law.

Should shipping explosives be regulated?

Do the regulations for shipping a box of primers need to be so onerous that it's impossible for most individuals?

Would we even be asking this if there wasn't a disruption in the supply chain, unprecedented demand, and unreasonable price inflation?
 
Cabelas has some on occasion, last I knew they were up to 75-80 for 1k.
 
I was trying to wait out the gouging but I figured to get some 50 BMG primers from Grafs when they still have them They were $241 I think per 500, got two. They should be near $200 but it's up everywhere. Brownells had them in last month for $220 I should have just bought them then.


This is gouging prices and I really wish people wouldn't be stupid enough to pay this. You just gotta be patient and the mfg. will make more. I usually order all my shit direct from mfg.'s (well, not loading supplies but you get what I mean) and they never gouge or jack up prices because they see this shit happen ALL the time.

So just a few months ago when people first started buying out bunches of shit because of the end of summer BLM Bash '20, I scored 10,000 milspec primer for around $30 per 1k.

So NO FUCKING WAY I'd pay $200 --ever. I'd try reloading primers first with match heads, etc., and if that didn't work I guess it'd be on to IED's.

Now that sounds like a killer deal for BMG primers though... I wanna say they're usually $200 per 500 but it's been a long time since I had to buy 'em. Primers, you buy when the getting is good. NOT when everyone is panic buying.

I just call these fuckers out though, I don't feel bad if I fuck up their sale. On here though I report 'em and let the ban cat handle it.
 
A way to do it would be, a primer seller receive the buyers prepped brass, seller loads the primers, then ships the primed brass back. lol a big headache for a little bit of money IMO.

i can tell you this, if this shit ever gets squared away, i will never have to buy primers again until im 80 years old. this is a stupid problem to have and is a valuable learning lesson. The primer, in and of itself, is the easiest way to control the ammo levels of the country/world. Ive got some stuff in the works right now to hopefully insure that me and my shooting partners dont worry about this again.
 
i think I have like 60k primers in my stash...

If I can get 500 per thousand thats 30k dollars... holy gold mine...

And people laughed at me when I bought a crate of 35k small pistol primers for like 500 bucks in 2014ish.
 
Next thing you know the anti-gunners will be using this type of activity on GB against us; as an example for how guns/reloading are an "addiction". You never know what they'll come up with.
 
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@Western Living, regarding the ORM-D exemption expiring. Does that mean ammunition is going to fall back under Hazmat next year then?


I am not knowledgeable with regard to hazmat shipping. From what I've read, the DOT is transitioning to a different labeling scheme when ORM-D expires. It is a "limited quantity" label (black and white diamond).


It would be nice if the concept the name "limited quantity" implies included limited quantities of primers, but I've seen no evidence to suggest it does.

According to UPS, the new LTD QTY labels will work for ammunition up to 12.7mm (50 cal.) and shotshells to 8 bore (notice that this is slightly more restrictive than the code of federal regulations definition for cartridges, small arms.


Again, this is for what constitutes "cartridges, small arms," as defined in 49 C.F.R. § 173.59: " Cartridges, small arms. Ammunition consisting of a cartridge case fitted with a center or rim fire primer and containing both a propelling charge and solid projectile(s). They are designed to be fired in weapons of caliber not larger than 19.1 mm. Shotgun cartridges of any caliber are included in this description. "

From https://www.govregs.com/regulations...tle49_chapterI_part173_subpartC_section173.59


Limited quantities of Cartridges, small arms, Cartridges, power device, Cartridges for tools, blank, and Cases, cartridge, empty with primer. (1)(i) Cartridges, small arms, Cartridges, power device (used to project fastening devices), Cartridges for tools, blank, and Cases, cartridge, empty with primer that have been classed as Division 1.4S explosive may be offered for transportation and transported as limited quantities when packaged in accordance with paragraph (b)(2) of this section. Packages containing such articles may be marked with either the marking prescribed in § 172.315(a) or (b) of this subchapter and offered for transportation and transported by any mode. For transportation by aircraft, the package must conform to the applicable requirements of § 173.27 of this part. In addition, packages containing such articles offered for transportation by aircraft must be marked with the proper shipping name as prescribed in the § 172.101 Hazardous Materials Table of this subchapter. Packages containing such articles are not subject to the shipping paper requirements of subpart C of part 172 of this subchapter unless the material meets the definition of a hazardous substance, hazardous waste, marine pollutant, or is offered for transportation and transported by aircraft or vessel. Additionally, packages containing such articles are excepted from the requirements of subparts E (Labeling) and F (Placarding) of part 172 of this subchapter.

(ii) Until December 31, 2012, a package containing such articles may be marked with the proper shipping name “Cartridges, small arms” or “Cartridges, power device (used to project fastening devices)” and reclassed as “ORM-D-AIR” material if it contains properly packaged articles as authorized by this subchapter on October 1, 2010. Additionally, for transportation by aircraft, Cartridge, power devices must be successfully tested under the UN Test Series 6(d) criteria for reclassification as ORM-D-AIR material effective July 1, 2011. Until December 31, 2020, a package containing such articles may be marked with the proper shipping name “Cartridges, small arms” or “Cartridges, power device (used to project fastening devices),” “Cartridges for tools, blank,” and “Cases, cartridge empty with primer” and reclassed as “ORM-D” material if it contains properly packaged articles as authorized by this subchapter on October 1, 2010.

(iii) Cartridges, small arms, Cartridges, power device (used to project fastening devices), Cartridges for tools, blank, and Cases, cartridge empty with primer that may be shipped as a limited quantity or ORM-D material are as follows:

(A) Ammunition for rifle, pistol or shotgun;

(B) Ammunition with inert projectiles or blank ammunition;

(C) Ammunition having no tear gas, incendiary, or detonating explosive projectiles;

(D) Ammunition not exceeding 12.7 mm (50 caliber or 0.5 inch) for rifle or pistol, cartridges or 8 gauge for shotshells;

(E) Cartridges for tools, blank; and

(F) Cases, cartridge, empty with primer.

(G) Cartridges, power device (used to project fastening devices).


Notice there is no provision for bulk primers not in a cartridge case. Those are simply classified as Explosives, class 1.4 with no exceptions.
 
This is gouging prices and I really wish people wouldn't be stupid enough to pay this. You just gotta be patient and the mfg. will make more. I usually order all my shit direct from mfg.'s (well, not loading supplies but you get what I mean) and they never gouge or jack up prices because they see this shit happen ALL the time.

So just a few months ago when people first started buying out bunches of shit because of the end of summer BLM Bash '20, I scored 10,000 milspec primer for around $30 per 1k.

So NO FUCKING WAY I'd pay $200 --ever. I'd try reloading primers first with match heads, etc., and if that didn't work I guess it'd be on to IED's.

Now that sounds like a killer deal for BMG primers though... I wanna say they're usually $200 per 500 but it's been a long time since I had to buy 'em. Primers, you buy when the getting is good. NOT when everyone is panic buying.

I just call these fuckers out though, I don't feel bad if I fuck up their sale. On here though I report 'em and let the ban cat handle it.
Well why dont you look around and any bxd Ruger Flattops you have I will give you 3x’s the price they sold for new and will be a happy buyer. Its calld supply and demand. Basic economics. Ban Cat on that
 
Federal & Cci / cci said they won't be selling primers for the reloaders until their caught up with backlog / run on ammo
Should take 18 months , ,,,,

Light em if you got em
 
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This is gouging prices and I really wish people wouldn't be stupid enough to pay this. You just gotta be patient and the mfg. will make more. I usually order all my shit direct from mfg.'s (well, not loading supplies but you get what I mean) and they never gouge or jack up prices because they see this shit happen ALL the time.

So just a few months ago when people first started buying out bunches of shit because of the end of summer BLM Bash '20, I scored 10,000 milspec primer for around $30 per 1k.

So NO FUCKING WAY I'd pay $200 --ever. I'd try reloading primers first with match heads, etc., and if that didn't work I guess it'd be on to IED's.

Now that sounds like a killer deal for BMG primers though... I wanna say they're usually $200 per 500 but it's been a long time since I had to buy 'em. Primers, you buy when the getting is good. NOT when everyone is panic buying.

I just call these fuckers out though, I don't feel bad if I fuck up their sale. On here though I report 'em and let the ban cat handle it.

Hoards primers...complains about primer supply shortage.
 
i think I have like 60k primers in my stash...

If I can get 500 per thousand thats 30k dollars... holy gold mine...

And people laughed at me when I bought a crate of 35k small pistol primers for like 500 bucks in 2014ish.

I paid for most of my ZCO by selling about 18K primers last month.... People are actually paying those crazy prices.
 
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Hmm... New ZCO for primers.... That just might be the ticket!

I paid for most of my ZCO by selling about 18K primers last month.... People are actually paying those crazy prices.