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Supreme Court Backs Immigrant Unaware of Legal Status in Gun-Possession Case

Longshot231

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    So a person who is in this country illegally cannot be prosecuted for a crime (particularly a gun crime) unless he or she knew that it was illegal.

    The prosecution will have to prove that the defendant knew that what they did was illegal before they can be prosecuted.

    So that throws the "ignorance-of-the-law-is-no-excuse" argument out the window.

    Story below:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news...aware-of-legal-status-in-gun-possession-case/
     
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    I saw that. While Im glad they ruled for the gun owner, it does seem a bit off.
     
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    The problem was that the gun owner is here in this country illegally. It would have been different if the person was legally here on a visa and purchased a gun.

    The person in this case knew he was here illegally to begin with. That is the entire problem with this case.

    It would be nice if they show the same grace to a legal citizen who has, unknowingly, ran afoul of one of the 20,000-plus anti-gun laws that are already on the books.
     
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    looking that way, now they should put the illegal in the catapult and send his g\flaming carcass back across the border

    pmclaine said:
    Is this precedent than of acknowledgement that the right to self defense is a "Universal"/"God Given" right for every individual human being regardless of citizenship?

    i.e. - the 2A means what it says?
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    Longshot231 said:
    The problem was that the gun owner is here in this country illegally. It would have been different if the person was legally here on a visa and purchased a gun.

    The person in this case knew he was here illegally to begin with. That is the entire problem with this case.

    It would be nice if they show the same grace to a legal citizen who has, unknowingly, ran afoul of one of the 20,000-plus anti-gun laws that are already on the books.
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    Like New York City's extremely predatory catch and bleed dry agenda when it comes to out-of-towners with legal guns from their own states. Over the past 25 years, numerous out of state tourists who did not know that their CCW is now highly illegal in NYC limits are tossed in jail and then let go on "misdemeanors" only after the legal fees and court battles have financially bled them dry. The entire gun control system of NYC and NY State, to a larger extent, is a vast and Borg-like bureaucracy whose only interest is financial gain through trap-consume-release.
     
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    Blue Sky Country said:
    Like New York City's extremely predatory catch and bleed dry agenda when it comes to out-of-towners with legal guns from their own states. Over the past 25 years, numerous out of state tourists who did not know that their CCW is now highly illegal in NYC limits are tossed in jail and then let go on "misdemeanors" only after the legal fees and court battles have financially bled them dry. The entire gun control system of NYC and NY State, to a larger extent, is a vast and Borg-like bureaucracy whose only interest is financial gain through trap-consume-release.
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    The next guy should cite this SCOTUS case and request dismissal.
     
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    Another consideration.
    What exactly is the SCOTUS dicking with this "ruling" for?...
    We pay those cocksuckers for life and they are pissing around with NON citizens' considerations.
    Who/why was this shuffled to the front of the line?
    They push off important work for this country to dick with criminals.
    Real heading - "SCOTUS helps hide Illegals from ICE".


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    the power of the court is not with the judges but the little leftists who pick cases that they will review and choose to get a hearing. the court is run by 20 years old clerk commies from the Ivy league, the worst America has to offer.
     
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    Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

    Longshot231 said:
    So a person who is in this country illegally cannot be prosecuted for a crime (particularly a gun crime) unless he or she knew that it was illegal.

    The prosecution will have to prove that the defendant knew that what they did was illegal before they can be prosecuted.

    So that throws the "ignorance-of-the-law-is-no-excuse" argument out the window.

    Story below:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news...aware-of-legal-status-in-gun-possession-case/
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    ArmyJerry said:
    but he has basic rights under our bill of rights once he is here, legally or not, fling him back over the border.
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    That is a very interesting way to throw things back in the face of liberals.

    The Communists/Democrats/Liberals have been harping that all the rights and all the benefits of citizens should apply to people here illegally.... they just hate it however when you remind them that the 2A is also a right HA!

    Maybe if suddenly illegals can go buy all the guns they want.... The democrats might just get that wall built in record time..... Can't have all their new slaves getting themselves armed.... they might think for themselves and vote from the rooftops instead of as they are told....
     
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    worse yet is the repubs and the commies think in classes of rights, but rights are rights, they will import terrorist arabs just to use them as an excuse to take all of our rights away. This is what they are doing this is why there is a patriot act, its an organized subversion of the Constitution and BOR.
     
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    Rthur said:
    Another consideration.
    What exactly is the SCOTUS dicking with this "ruling" for?...
    We pay those cocksuckers for life and they are pissing around with NON citizens' considerations.
    Who/why was this shuffled to the front of the line?
    They push off important work for this country to dick with criminals.
    Real heading - "SCOTUS helps hide Illegals from ICE".


    R
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    You're absolutely right, and I hate the fact that what you are saying is accurate. Especially when it is so morally wrong.
     
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    So let me get this straight... someone going to a foreign country (legally or otherwise) has no responsibility to know the applicable laws in that country? Especially in relation to firearms?

    And specific to this instance, someone from Mexico, which has extremely restrictive laws regarding possession of firearms to begin with, has no responsibility to consider laws in a country in which he has entered illegally?

    I don’t follow the logic and am surprised that the Court wasn’t split down the ideal lines. Then again, not much in this Countey really surprises me much these days... we are living in Bizarreoworld.
     
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    tunaman said:
    So let me get this straight... someone going to a foreign country (legally or otherwise) has no responsibility to know the applicable laws in that country? Especially in relation to firearms?

    And specific to this instance, someone from Mexico, which has extremely restrictive laws regarding possession of firearms to begin with, has no responsibility to consider laws in a country in which he has entered illegally?

    I don’t follow the logic and am surprised that the Court wasn’t split down the ideal lines. Then again, not much in this Countey really surprises me much these days... we are living in Bizarreoworld.
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    But the law abiding tax slave born here gets boned for the most minor of infractions.

    Fuck .gov, the oligharchy and its street soldiers
     
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    Jscb1b said:
    If the guy is here illegally, then EVERYTHING he does is illegal. Like working driving buying firearms marriage his kids. EVERYTHING.
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    Here in Oregon ( i have watched personally ) Illegal immigrants buy firearm that could not speak English language . All that is needed was proof of 6 months residency and he had a person with him to translate where to sign the paperwork ..
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    softcock said:
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    Here in Oregon ( i have watched personally ) Illegal immigrants buy firearm that could not speak English language . All that is needed was proof of 6 months residency and he had a person with him to translate where to sign the paperwork ..
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    If they got a green card they can by a firearm.

    Not saying this immigrants had one but if they did, they can legally by a gun.

    If they were a felon (a real felon not someone who was sent to prison for exercising free speech) they could lie on the 4473 and NICS wouldn’t know if they had ever committed armed robbery in their home country.
     
    tunaman said:
    So let me get this straight... someone going to a foreign country (legally or otherwise) has no responsibility to know the applicable laws in that country? Especially in relation to firearms?
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    Only in the United States.

    You go anyplace else and pull a Steinle they lock you up and beat the soles of your feet with a paddle
     
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    pmclaine said:
    Only in the United States.

    You go anyplace else and pull a Steinle they lock you up and beat the soles of your feet with a paddle
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    another example of being prosecuted for a deed done in another country ( ignorance is No Excuse ) .
    When in Norway was talking to locals, and ( if i understood it correctly ) Norwegian citizens are even legally held accountable and be prosecuted in Norway for breaking ( there countries laws ) while in another country . even if the action committed is Not illegal there in that country they were in .
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    um i believe you have to follow all uUS laws even when you are in foreign countries, FCPA

    softcock said:
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    another example of being prosecuted for a deed done in another country ( ignorance is No Excuse ) .
    When in Norway was talking to locals, and ( if i understood it correctly ) Norwegian citizens are even legally held accountable and be prosecuted in Norway for breaking ( there countries laws ) while in another country . even if the action committed is Not illegal there in that country they were in .
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    FCPA .. Will have to remember that, Next time I down in Tijuana .
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    ArmyJerry said:
    yeah I am okay of the cops hunt them down like rabid dogs but get them for breaking the laws they broke.
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    Agreed! I guess what I’m trying to say is every time some pos breaks the law with firearms etc. we , the law abiding tend to lose a right! They only punish the law abiders and not the perp! Think that’s what your getting at aj! I agree
     
    How does one reconcile the difference afforded those under the COTUS and Illegals with
    "minimal" human rights?
    ^^^ Another way to describe them would be a felon.

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    Longshot231 said:
    The SCOTUS struck down increased penalties for using a firearm in the commission of a violent crime. On the other hand, if you make a muffler that goes on the end of a bang-stick, without registering it or paying the tax, and they will throw the book at you.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-down-stiff-firearms-penalties-idUSKCN1TP1YR
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    Im agaisnt enhanced sentencing.

    If similar assault happens to me it should be just as big a crime as if it happened to some protected portion of society.

    This helps our 2A argument to some degree as it goes along with "A gun is just a tool. If the person wanting to commit the crime didnt have the gun he would use a bat. Are you going to ban bats?"
     
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