Term limits.

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Yep, been saying this since I could talk. There are a ton of other areas that need fixed as well, but this one is at the top of the list to me.

I agree with this whole heartedly.

It won't fix anything.

More liberals will win in conservative states than conservatives in liberal states in the absence of term limits.

Wont break anything that doesn't need to be broken...

armorpl8chikn said:

It won't fix anything.

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I'm afraid that you are right...

With fixed elections, what good are term limits?

only going to be one way to fix what's broken in this country

why does anyone need govts to begin with, not like they're using our tax dollars to benefit the people. as one of the smartest men in Australia once said, god rest his soul...

Gee Kay said:

why does anyone need govts to begin with, not like they're using our tax dollars to benefit the people. as one of the smartest men in Australia once said, god rest his soul...

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We need governments because the average person is a greedy ignorant fool prone to violence and theft. And half of them are worse than that.

The issue is eventually the greedy intelligent fools prone to violence and theft shift over to running the place.

The idea that all government is bad is generally held by people who don’t want to bother others, can take care of themselves, and don’t need constant nagging from an oppressive overlord to even get out of bed in the morning.

It’s a fallacy to assume that’s the majority.

i suppose it is a start, but would not address assholes and idiots like Vindman,

We need to de-fund the government. Grab them by the balls, if they got any?

Foul Mike said:

I think term limits needs to go into place for all these elected people. 2 and done.

What do you think?

Career Congress Critters are what hold things up now and most have all made $millions and probably porked in their next raise on one bill or another.

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Term limits don’t address an underlying problem of the constant presence of lobbyists and unelected bureaucrats (deep state critters). Having a faster rotating door of elected officials only means they won’t have enough time to really dig into issues surrounding any votes they will be asked to make and will just defer to the swamp and it’s opinions

Foul Mike said:

I don't think what we have going now works worth a shit.
The whole fucking mess needs an overhaul.
This is but a start.
They all need to carry a copy of the Constitution and BOR and refer to it constantly to help them get the train back on the tracks.
I also think the French may have been right many years ago as there is no straightening out some people.

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I know this is going to ruffle a lot of feathers but...

There are like 3 people in Washington that give even 2 shits about the constitution. Nobody cares about it except as a token to wave in front of people to get votes. Bringing up the constitution is wasted breath. IMO, Washington is a lost cause and any diktats from there need to be pushed back against as much as possible. Any change should be initiated from a state level at least, preferably even lower from a county level.

I’ve brought this up in a few other threads but imo the only relatively peaceful solution to the divide in this country is to separate. A serious secession discussion needs to be started. It needs to be defended and not backed down from.

I do agree, term limits across the board. Let's not leave out SCOTUS as I we have all recently witnessed, a lifetime appointment is not a good thing. Career criminals politicians was not the intent.
Worse is the administrative or bureaucratic rule. Some agency/board/department makes rule of law without input from WE THE PEOPLE and we must abide. They change these rules without clarification and often the rules are ambiguous to start with. It's my opinion that such rules are anti-constitutional. Eliminate most of these agencies and take away their rule making power.
While we are at it, I'd like to see zero amendments to legislation. A bill is a single item...no more pork.
I'd like to see us stop sending our tax dollars to support foreign governments and such. Cease all aide, except maybe to assist during a time of natural disaster and that should be limited to just a few months at most with a predetermined end date and amount. It shouldn't take long, when combined with no pork, we should be flush.
Institute a flat tax for everyone with no deductions. Your tax filing would be a 3x5 card with room to spare.

If term limits were enacted, I think we'd be safe for a term, maybe two. Then, these fuck bags would learn to play the game all over again, and continue getting rich while standing on our throats, although being perceived as being better than their predecessor.

Install this in front the Capital:

Agree

While I favor term limits, I understand why politicians aren't willing to cut their own throats by imposing term limits. Politicians won't do anything that may reduce their power, their money, their security, even if that is what the majority of the public wants. Politicians will have to be FORCED INTO imposing term limits and making other reforms.

I would favor something that says no politician can hold any more than two elective offices of any kind. Also, after leaving office, they couldn't use their former political position for any kind of financial gain for ten years after they leave office. That would include selling books, lecture tours, being a lobbyist or earning any money as a result of their former political position.

They wouldn't be prohibited from writing books, giving lectures, or doing other things, they just couldn't get money for it. If they want to give free lectures, they could still do so, that would avoid them saying their first amendment rights were restricted.

But I'm not king, and politicians won't vote any of these things into law.

Foul Mike said:

If a guillotine was erected near the houses of congress and defended by a huge mass of people, that would damn sure get the CongressCritters attention.

I am NOT in support of that at this time but do think We the People, need to do something, anything, to start getting our Gov. to get back on track and doing what they were elected to do.

These CongressCritters that have been in office for 15 to 50 years and have never had a real job in their lives and only got started because BIG$$$$$ are IMHO
a root of the evil we see now.

Election integrity is out of the window now and there aren't any courts that will at least listen to the evidence? Something wrong there.

The MSM going only one direction and only reporting one side of a story? Something wrong there.

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When I posted I actually thought of the opposite: That the Elites on Capital Hill would use a guillotine as an example against Patriots, to show who is in charge! Much as the troops, fences and tyrannical views that they have.

Won't ever happen since those same Congress Critters would have to be the ones to bring the Bills up for a vote.

BullGear said:

Won't ever happen since those same Congress Critters would have to be the ones to bring the Bills up for a vote.

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Exactly.
I’m all for term limits but there’s zero way they’d vote themselves out of a job.

Term limits, along with removing money from politics and reforming campaign finance laws.

I'd like to see that they and their family cannot trade in stock or bonds while in office.

No gifts worth more than $500 from any one person or corporation within the calendar year.

Never being able to be a lobbiest after leaving office.

After seeing what happened to Trump, the fact he was President for four years and was unable to gain control of the agencies under his command, I've changed my stance on this topic.

What will happen if we term limit congress is these unelected sbags that are almost impossible to fire will then gain even more power than they already have. Congressmen will then just be puppets paraded around to convince the masses their vote counts. Behind the scenes, though, the establishment trash will collude and conspire to shape policy as dictated to benefit them and those who lobby/bribe them to.

We'd lose Ron Paul and Ted Cruz, whom I have little doubt are alone responsible for holding a lot of anti-gun legislation at bay -- among a litany of other things.

I've seen polls show upwards of 80% of people support these term limits but have yet to see 80% of the people vote these people out. Both can't be true, so there's a different problem that needs fixing and my opinion, given recent events, is that voting is where the system is broken.

We passed the threshold long ago where more folks were interested in voting themselves gifts from the treasury, then knew or cared how wrong that was.

How about you do something simple, like get the Federal government to only spend each year what they take in for income...

That is also completely impossible for the foreseeable future.

Nothing is going to change until the system completely collapses under it's own weight, and that could easily be a generation or two.

Lets tax them 90% on all gains made while in office.

BullGear said:

Lets tax them 90% on all gains made while in office.

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Make a progressive tax! The longer you serve the more you pay! After so many years they will want to get out of office!

Expert684 said:

Make a progressive tax! The longer you serve the more you pay! After so many years they will want to get out of office!

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Not really... most of them make the majority of money not from congressional salaries but instead from deals outside of that. Even considering that income, their wealth typically comes immediately following their time in office or is accrued through deals wherein immediate family members seem to benefit greatly. (EG you sign this bill and Uncle Billy's company picks up a new highway project for 70 million or whatever)

sterilization upon running for office

Gommer said:

Not really... most of them make the majority of money not from congressional salaries but instead from deals outside of that. Even considering that income, their wealth typically comes immediately following their time in office or is accrued through deals wherein immediate family members seem to benefit greatly. (EG you sign this bill and Uncle Billy's company picks up a new highway project for 70 million or whatever)

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Exactly hold them to a different standard, for the rest of their lives, no after they leave office deals. Then you would have politicians who have the best interest of the country at heart.

Foul Mike said:

They won't fire themselves, we need to figure how to fire them. No idea, but I am thinking about it.
With all of the Old laws around it must be written up somewhere????

Pensions they have porked in for themselves slashed or gutted to what Joe Sixpack gets. How much money do these crooks need?

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A few million people surrounding their office building would probably do it.

MinnesotaMulisha said:

A few million people surrounding their office building would probably do it.

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You terrorist............

BullGear said:

You terrorist............

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Would I be a terrorist if I suggested their home address instead?

MinnesotaMulisha said:

Would I be a terrorist if I suggested their home address instead?

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Yes, all you have to do is wake in the morning and we're all terrorist to them.

Did you hear they want to install permanent fencing around the Capitol?

The King said:

We need governments because the average person is a greedy ignorant fool prone to violence and theft. And half of them are worse than that.

The issue is eventually the greedy intelligent fools prone to violence and theft shift over to running the place.

The idea that all government is bad is generally held by people who don’t want to bother others, can take care of themselves, and don’t need constant nagging from an oppressive overlord to even get out of bed in the morning.

It’s a fallacy to assume that’s the majority.

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there is a hidden message in that vid. hint: you can find it towards the end.

to say the "average person is a greedy ignorant fool prone to violence and theft", pretty much your whole statement describes the US govt to the letter, all govts around the world, no one is immune to their greed, violence and theft globally.

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I would favor something that says no politician can hold any more than two elective offices of any kind. Also, after leaving office, they couldn't use their former political position for any kind of financial gain for ten years after they leave office. That would include selling books, lecture tours, being a lobbyist or earning any money as a result of their former political position.

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I disagree.
One truly outstanding American should be allowed to serve in the House, the Senate, the Oval Office, if righteously elected to each postion AND be allowed to then serve on the Supreme Court if appointed and confirmed.

Term limits and make them fucks punch a time card, make it impossible to become a millionaire being a civil servant and you will start getting a different type of civil servant, one that actually gives a fuck about the economy they’re about to have to go back to and make a living in.

BullGear said:

Yes, all you have to do is wake in the morning and we're all terrorist to them.

Did you hear they want to install permanent fencing around the Capitol?

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That's fine. Let's angle the barb wire in so they can't climb out

Restore states’ rights and manage it from the local level, fuck the Fed. Return to the model of Senators appointed by state Reps instead of elections by popular vote. If you don’t like the outcome then feel free to move.

The House was always meant to be fluid in direct representation of the people, while the Senate was to be the voice of reason with more experience and policy mindedness, but still accountable to the people of the state. At the end of the day, everyone was intended to go back to his (or her or its) day job and not make a career out of politics. What the FF gave us for a foundation for government is amazing. What they clearly missed off is someone living into their 80s!

I’d love to see a time limit on all these EO’s. They should be for short term management, not ruling by executive fiat. Put a 90 day moratorium or sunset clause on them. If Congress can’t get it sorted in that period of time then they expire and that’s it. The Executive branch is there to set policy, not legislate. At least that’s what the Saturday Schoolhouse Rock cartoons taught me forty years ago.

I agree totally with limited terms in any
political office.
Too many career politicians that are rotten to the core.
Not to mention their ridiculous benefits, whilst in, and after leaving office.
Maybe if they were only entitled to crap benefits like the working class, they would strive to make things better for everyone.
You see the blatant croneyism and corruption all over the world.

Thinking we can vote our way out this or the very people that make the rules are going to change them to what they should be is like thinking we could put a t-bone steak in a dog bowl and expect him to only eat half of it.

1: Limited to 8 years
2: Wages are minimum wage for the area they represent.
3: not allowed to receive any funds from outside their salary, nor allowed to set up any kind of back door.
4: they get put on the same healthcare as veterans
5: even a glance at gun control laws immediately gets them arrested for treason.